Sure it does. Its tries to be a pompous lecturing ode on freedom and honour when its patiently ill equipped to talk about either.

If it tries to be something its not then it should be called on it.

If you didn't like the movie, then why don't you just go away?

This is the movie review thread, you have expressed your disinterest, so move on. Why are you trying to either convince everyone who liked it they're wrong, or that you few are the only sane people left?

It was a well liked movie, you didn't like it, so why don't you all go create some "we hate AWE" thread and never shut up about it in there.

So hopefully other people are warned about the walking abortion this turned out to be



Because these threads are for review AND discussion of the movie. Imagine how lifeless simply parroting a review and then leaving would be



So if you dislike a film and give reasons for it you should just piss off to a corner? Fuck that, everybody is entitled to air their views be they positive or negative and if you can't handle that I feel sorry.

Bah. I wish I could stop thinking about it. Th more I think about it, the more angered I am by the complete lack of fluidity from DMC to AWE. DMC was, to use Box's words, "a slick 3 hour commercial for AWE". They had SO MANY THINGS to build off of and show and resolve. They simply seemed to ignore it all. The Will/Lizzie conflict should have been really fleshed out...perhaps the main conflict amongst the main characters. They merely mentioned Jack's regret of trying to go back and do the right thing for once, which should have played an important part in his character throughout the entire movie.

What they should have done: axed the Brethren Court storyline. They tried to turn pirates into an epic film. The main conflict should have stayed between the characters already out in DMC: Beckett and Jones as the villains. Will and Jones, Jack and Jones, Beckett and Jones, Liz and Jack, Will and Liz, Jack and Beckett... everything just sort of dropped in AWE. They added too much when they should have concentrated on the (already numerous) conflicts set up by DMC. So the characters were just....flat. The only change in any of them from the beginning of AWE to the end is that two of them died and one of them became immortal. Everybody else was stagnant.

It's turning into the Halo 2 of film for me. High expectations, not quite met. And although both were still good (perhaps great, even), they should have been something so much more special, and so the only things I'll ever be able to remember are the faults and my complete disappointment.

That would have been a far better idea. Keep the story tight and build on what went before.

AWE was hardly a "walking abortion". If this is your idea of a truly horrific movie-going experience then I can only imagine what you would think of something like Pluto Nash. Also, if anyone who was planning on seeing the movie is swayed to not go by what a few people in an online movie forum have to say, then kudos, you've won over some people who really think for themselves.

"Discussion" isn't calling the people who liked the movie idiots and saying you're only smart if you hated it.

If you dislike a movie, or whatever, you can what you want. What's annoying is the absolute assault on people and/or people's opinions for liking the movie. Someone says "I liked it because..." and then they're met with "You are stupid and wrong for liking it because I did not like..." etc.

I'd rather a movie try for too much and not succeed on all counts then just do exactly what was done before. At least Verbinski and co were trying to do something different than the first 2. Sure, every single thing didn't work, but AWE was still a very enjoyable experience, despite its shortcummings. No movie is perfect and this was a well made picture that at least had some effort put into it, which is more than you can say for most.

Again, there seems to be a misunderstanding in the terms "discussion" and "debate". Some people are talking about the movie, and others are assualting people for liking the movie as well as saying they are completely and utterly wrong in liking it, "hating it is the only sane choice", etc.

To me, that is not "debate".

You can't use the "called a person stupid" defense against me because I never called anybody that.

Perhaps you should take the time to actually read my posts and this..... http://www.worldofkj.com/articleIndex.php?tid=30409 and then you might actually know I give a variety of reasons for my dislike of this film while never at any point insulting anybody. Indeed if that was the case I'd have had to call my 2 sisters who loved it "fucking idiots" the moment I came out of the cinema.

And as for the Pluto Nash jibe I call http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

I shall bring that up anytime a person wants to use such a lazy debating tactic.

So in other words, America has such ridiculously low standards that a shitty movie dressed in popcorn visuals and pretty actors, is A material.

I have no problem with popcorn films, DMC is a great popcorn film and for my money one of the best uber blockbusters of the decade... ditto SM2. But when a film's plot is so jumbled and messed like this, when you have characters that are given nothing, when your franchise guy is negated to be a side character cartoon, when the strenghths of the last films are completley dropped and you have 3 hours of bloating and repetitive-ness, I can hardly find justification in its a popcorn film. Popcorn films have higher standards than this, much higher. Whatever, you can like your movies, but don't expect us to give it any breaks because it looked pretty.

That's exactly what I was typing as "Barricade" responded. I believe that Barricade is Magnus, and that was who my initial post was in response to, not Gulli.

All these damn Transformers names and avatars that are exactly the same can sometimes make going back to who you were talking to in the first place slightly obscure. This is like that Me, You, Us crap.

Sorry, Bonecrusher (or whoever you are), I was posting in response to Barricade.

It wasn't an attack, either, I just didn't entirely understand why people who like the movie were idiots. This semi-argument has taken up enough space, let it be done.

It is ridiculous that this argument is going on when I have seen films that are far, far inferior films to this get grades such as "A+" and no one even says anything. I'm already predicting that the Transformers thread is going to be flooded with grades such as those even though it clearly doesn't deserve them. We all have different tastes - some of us loved this, others liked it, others hated it. There is no reason to attack those who feel different about the film - or to insult their overall movie taste.

I'll be stunned if that happens actually. I mean forget my avatar and name for a second because its just a bit of fun but i'll be amazed if it turns out to be better then a B/B+ movie.

I don't think Shack hated it at all. He just wants to be part of the new elitist pirates hating club. He, magnus, and gullimont are gonna have a Pirate party when this is all said and done. They'll break out the eye patches and the wooden legs and the talking parrots and go watch AWE in the theater 23 times in a row until their brains burst from joy at having seen their new favorite film ever. But they made a pact, and under no circumstance can they ever reveal how much they loved the film for it would mean the terrorists gaining access to all our governments secrets and nuking North Korea thus starting World War 3.

I would like to commend these brave soldiers for hiding their true feelings for the good of this country ... and the world at large.



i'm bored

I never ever said that I gave it a perfect grade, or even an A. I liked it, it was fun. I would say I liked it either more than or just as much as the first one. I don't think any of the Pirates movies are the high-art that some people seem to think, nor do I think that of the SW, LOTR, etc.

My issue was calling people idiots and morons or whatever for liking the movie, and then calling it "discussion" or "debate". That isn't either of those things. I call people morons or idiots all the time, but it's still not a "discussion".

Frankly, when it comes to fanboys of any franchise there is no debating, as blind love or loyalty is just about impossible to deal with, as you can cite all the bad storytelling, bad filmmaking, bad acting, etc, and fanboys will still defend it to their graves. On earlier pages, though, it wasn't fanboys gushing about the movie, really, it was just people saying they liked it and thought it was fun, or loved it, whatever, and gave it an A.

Also, lots of people give A's to just about anything they liked. Some of us, me including, feel that if you give a billion movies an A, then the A sure as hell doesn't mean much. A is supposed to be really top quality movie material.

"Yes, I think the people giving AWE a perfect A or A+ grade are fucking stupid, blinded and dumb when it comes to grading a popcorn film like this." -Shack

No offense, but you gave ROTS an A+. You gave Ep3 an A+. How to you have any ground to stand on when it comes to saying AWE is not A quality if you think that Sith is A quality?

AWE, to me, is a very high B+. It was very enjoyable, fun, and I do plan on buying it.

As thompsoncory said, there are going to be a number of A's and A+'s for Transformers, when we all clearly know that isn't an A+ movie. How are they any more right then the people who give AWE an A or an A+? People like different stuff. People liked Delta Farce. Yes, there are for sure at least a few people who liked that. Those people are idiots, those people are morons. We should all be teaming up and ridiculing the clearly stupid, not attacking each other's franchises of favor.

We could band together and wipe off the Blue Collar Comedy crowd forever, doesn't that sound like a glorious goal?

Ok... I got carried away.

Thank you, at least one of you admitted it

A few things:

Just because you WANTED AWE to answer all of those "questions" presented in DMC doesn't mean is NEEDS to answer them. We all know this isn't going to be the last Pirates film. Nobody ever said that this movie contained everything you wanted to know in DMC. So what if it left things open? Obviously there are going to be more movies.

It provided everything it said it was going to provide, a fun, action packed film. It had necessary humor, and enough action to pass the time. It was never made out to be this great plot driven movie, unlike, let's say... The Matrix. Which focused whole-ly on plot and went the all action route in the 3rd. This series has NEVER been about plot. It was more like 300, mostly smoke and mirrors to make you think that there was a plot. Obviously you can't have a movie without any kind of plot, so it gave us a broken one.

You're all confusing WANTS and REALITY. You wanted something totally different, but didn't get it, so now you're whining like little babies because baby didn't get his way. The reality of the fact is that it delivered on everything MOST people expected. A great follow up to an average movie.

Did you ween off the breast milk too early or something?

I saw it today and I would give it a B+, I really enjoyed the last hour and loved the humor of the film. Rush, Depp, and the FX pretty much made the movie for me.

Can we not just say that there is no film that everyone liked, nor a film that everyone hates?


The same arguments just go full circle.

If Transformers, like Pirates, fails to impress (or even entertain) in the way it should, I will gladly tear it to shreds.

GLADLY. Because I'm ready to tear it apart

Quoted for truth.

In all of this, we didn't attack the film's believability, we didn't attack the film's walking dead subplots, the absurd set pieces, etc.

But the film had about 1.5 hours of dead time and was one of the longest theater going experiences ever. Pirates not delivering the entertainment is a HUGE SIN for what kind of movie it was.

The fact that it wasn't entertaining only highlights whatever was wrong with it.

Keep in mind that I still really like Dead Man's Chest because it *was* entertaining.

It's not riding on it's plot though.

It rode on what worked for it. And it rode it extremely well

See my addition.

It WAS entertaining. Throughout the entire film.

So the endless rounds of deals and meetings that wouldn't look out of place inside the Soviet Politburo is entertainment?

Dear oh Dear Chip I think your clutching at straws.

Its an affront to the definition of a fun popcorn movie