Can someone attempt to fanboy spin an explaination for me how Bootstrap turned into a complete moron? This wasn't something established by Dead Man's Chest. He'd only been on the ship for a little while, a shorter time then most of the shark/eel/crab "people". Why was it he was forgetting Will and the like.

Never thought i would defend Pirates but i think some of you are a little harsh on it. In pretty much any movie you'll find faults if you're bent on finding them. Yeah, it's nowhere near as awesome as the fanboys are making it out to be and when dissecting the plot not everything seems to be making sense but nevertheless, it managed to entertain, at least i had a good time watching it (and not thinking about it too much). *shrugs*

I just kind of find it rude and insulting how all the naysayers are basically saying their opinion is the only "right" one and those who like/love this movie are either "idiots" or "don't understand film."

I need my bradley fix.

You can hardly blame me, it seems with this, you don't seem to understand film at all. You'd be able to see the many gaping flaws of this if you did and even if you still ended up enjoying it, you'd be able to accept the critques. There wouldn't be such a controversy.

You may all think we are "naysayers" and nitpickers, but it cuts both way. The word "naysayer" is in itself, insulting. It that there seems to be what amounts to silence everyone who didn't like this film, from critics to posters. I see most of you as little more than cattle, willing to chew up everything with a CG/action balance and hoist it up as "one of the best films of the year".

It's a popcorn flick. It's made with a specific purpose and that might or might not get you to like it, but why should others think of it in the same way. If it accomplishes what was intended why should it matter how it does so?

That said, I thought it was the weakest of the three, but I liked it.

This is the BKB/Plan B defense...

"Well the movie is a popcorn movie so why are you ... x..."

It's not a particulary great way to defend a film.

I'm off to the Aquarium!

When did it say time on the ship was the only factor? Bootstrap had betrayed Davy Jones. You don't think it's possible he could do that to the members of his crew? That's what I assumed while watching the movie.

If you insert an explanation then it takes away from the effect of "OMG he can't remember her!"

The only thing I can think of to explain his behavior, was that he went "mad" when he had to watch the Kraken attack the Ship Will was on in DMC, which was destroyed. Remember when Jones held his head up telling him he would watch this? Will and Bootstrap never see each other again after the attack, so I suppose watching the death of his son drove him insane.

It doesn't try to be certain things. That's the point.

It didn't entertain me, it bored the hell out of me.

All the faults being pointed out are a breakdown of everything that made the film such a mess. Just because somebody says "This Film ruled" or This Film Sucked" doesn't mean they have a more valid opinion, it means they couldn't be bothered explaining their stance.

I go to the movies to be entertained, this movie failed to entertain me and I, just like others who disliked it are explaining why.

And since between a 70 mile round trip, tickets and paying for my 2 younger sisters it cost me around $50 to be shafted by this crap you can be damn assured I'll voice my disgust if I don't get my moneys worth.

This is coming from someone who has a Transformers avatar, which frankly looks like the ultimate "CGI summer action film" and is directed by someone who is far from a masterful individual

And Pirates is a personal favorite franchise of several members. So what? That doesn't mean we have bad taste in film - my top three films of 2006 were three of the most critically acclaimed (Pan's Labyrinth, Children Of Men, The Departed).

I don't care that you guys didn't like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But there is no reason to insult other members because they maybe saw something in it that you didn't.

22 As and 22 non As now, the apocolypse is turning around.

Don't take people ripping the film to pieces as a personal insult. I tend to make that mistake sometimes as well but its erronous.

Believe me Cory I'd loved to have enjoyed the film, I mean do you think I wanted 3 hours of my life spent in visual hell? I'm not into pain for pleasure.

This isn't some universally hated movie, so I wish the haters would stop speaking like every single person hates it, it is a truly horrific piece of film, and, quite possibly, the worst 3 hours in the history of time.

I'm not a huge Pirates fan, I think they're fun movies. The second one was a bit slow in the first hour, but I think the second half (or last third, to be more accurate) was really fun and well done. I had no issues whatsoever with AWE. It was craziness, and it was wonderful craziness.

Rush was a welcome return, Knightley had loads to do as Elizabeth and she was great, I enjoyed Naomie Harris as Tia Dalma in DMC and liked having her as a part of this new crew. Depp didn't appear until 30-40 minutes into the movie, and his arrival was welcome. Sparrow was as fun as he's ever been, and crazy this time, which I found more fascinating. I also really enjoyed the score. I noticed it, in a good way.

I thought AWE was a wonderful finale to the trilogy, even if/when they decide to make more. Jack and Barbossa pretty much ending up exactly where they started (only Barbossa's not undead this time), and the fact that the trilogy ended with Jack in a little dingy with a repeat of some of the same lines as the first one was a nice full circle sort of feel.

There were problems with the movie, sure, but every single movie has some problems. There were no where near enough faults for this movie to be universally bad. The crowd I saw the movie with was very receptive, and not at all like SM3, where they were laughing at serious parts and in the "this is so bad" kind of way. I liked SM3 well enough, but I was never a big fan of the SM franchise in the first place. AWE had people laughing, when they were supposed to, and gasping, when they were supposed to (Will getting stabbed at the end was a big one), and there was unanimous applause when Elizabeth and Will kissed on the beach at the end, and then applause at the end, again, when the movie was over a few minutes later.

WOM is better than DMC, for sure, and people are not dumb for liking AWE. It was 3 hours of fun, FANTASTIC SFX (really, the best FX I have ever seen), good characters that people have come to know over a few (very long) movies, and a worthy conclusion.

Sure it does. Its tries to be a pompous lecturing ode on freedom and honour when its patiently ill equipped to talk about either.

If it tries to be something its not then it should be called on it.

If you didn't like the movie, then why don't you just go away?

This is the movie review thread, you have expressed your disinterest, so move on. Why are you trying to either convince everyone who liked it they're wrong, or that you few are the only sane people left?

It was a well liked movie, you didn't like it, so why don't you all go create some "we hate AWE" thread and never shut up about it in there.

So hopefully other people are warned about the walking abortion this turned out to be



Because these threads are for review AND discussion of the movie. Imagine how lifeless simply parroting a review and then leaving would be



So if you dislike a film and give reasons for it you should just piss off to a corner? Fuck that, everybody is entitled to air their views be they positive or negative and if you can't handle that I feel sorry.

Bah. I wish I could stop thinking about it. Th more I think about it, the more angered I am by the complete lack of fluidity from DMC to AWE. DMC was, to use Box's words, "a slick 3 hour commercial for AWE". They had SO MANY THINGS to build off of and show and resolve. They simply seemed to ignore it all. The Will/Lizzie conflict should have been really fleshed out...perhaps the main conflict amongst the main characters. They merely mentioned Jack's regret of trying to go back and do the right thing for once, which should have played an important part in his character throughout the entire movie.

What they should have done: axed the Brethren Court storyline. They tried to turn pirates into an epic film. The main conflict should have stayed between the characters already out in DMC: Beckett and Jones as the villains. Will and Jones, Jack and Jones, Beckett and Jones, Liz and Jack, Will and Liz, Jack and Beckett... everything just sort of dropped in AWE. They added too much when they should have concentrated on the (already numerous) conflicts set up by DMC. So the characters were just....flat. The only change in any of them from the beginning of AWE to the end is that two of them died and one of them became immortal. Everybody else was stagnant.

It's turning into the Halo 2 of film for me. High expectations, not quite met. And although both were still good (perhaps great, even), they should have been something so much more special, and so the only things I'll ever be able to remember are the faults and my complete disappointment.

That would have been a far better idea. Keep the story tight and build on what went before.

AWE was hardly a "walking abortion". If this is your idea of a truly horrific movie-going experience then I can only imagine what you would think of something like Pluto Nash. Also, if anyone who was planning on seeing the movie is swayed to not go by what a few people in an online movie forum have to say, then kudos, you've won over some people who really think for themselves.

"Discussion" isn't calling the people who liked the movie idiots and saying you're only smart if you hated it.

If you dislike a movie, or whatever, you can what you want. What's annoying is the absolute assault on people and/or people's opinions for liking the movie. Someone says "I liked it because..." and then they're met with "You are stupid and wrong for liking it because I did not like..." etc.

I'd rather a movie try for too much and not succeed on all counts then just do exactly what was done before. At least Verbinski and co were trying to do something different than the first 2. Sure, every single thing didn't work, but AWE was still a very enjoyable experience, despite its shortcummings. No movie is perfect and this was a well made picture that at least had some effort put into it, which is more than you can say for most.

Again, there seems to be a misunderstanding in the terms "discussion" and "debate". Some people are talking about the movie, and others are assualting people for liking the movie as well as saying they are completely and utterly wrong in liking it, "hating it is the only sane choice", etc.

To me, that is not "debate".

You can't use the "called a person stupid" defense against me because I never called anybody that.

Perhaps you should take the time to actually read my posts and this..... http://www.worldofkj.com/articleIndex.php?tid=30409 and then you might actually know I give a variety of reasons for my dislike of this film while never at any point insulting anybody. Indeed if that was the case I'd have had to call my 2 sisters who loved it "fucking idiots" the moment I came out of the cinema.

And as for the Pluto Nash jibe I call http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

I shall bring that up anytime a person wants to use such a lazy debating tactic.

So in other words, America has such ridiculously low standards that a shitty movie dressed in popcorn visuals and pretty actors, is A material.

I have no problem with popcorn films, DMC is a great popcorn film and for my money one of the best uber blockbusters of the decade... ditto SM2. But when a film's plot is so jumbled and messed like this, when you have characters that are given nothing, when your franchise guy is negated to be a side character cartoon, when the strenghths of the last films are completley dropped and you have 3 hours of bloating and repetitive-ness, I can hardly find justification in its a popcorn film. Popcorn films have higher standards than this, much higher. Whatever, you can like your movies, but don't expect us to give it any breaks because it looked pretty.