That's exactly what I was typing as "Barricade" responded. I believe that Barricade is Magnus, and that was who my initial post was in response to, not Gulli.

All these damn Transformers names and avatars that are exactly the same can sometimes make going back to who you were talking to in the first place slightly obscure. This is like that Me, You, Us crap.

Sorry, Bonecrusher (or whoever you are), I was posting in response to Barricade.

It wasn't an attack, either, I just didn't entirely understand why people who like the movie were idiots. This semi-argument has taken up enough space, let it be done.

It is ridiculous that this argument is going on when I have seen films that are far, far inferior films to this get grades such as "A+" and no one even says anything. I'm already predicting that the Transformers thread is going to be flooded with grades such as those even though it clearly doesn't deserve them. We all have different tastes - some of us loved this, others liked it, others hated it. There is no reason to attack those who feel different about the film - or to insult their overall movie taste.

I'll be stunned if that happens actually. I mean forget my avatar and name for a second because its just a bit of fun but i'll be amazed if it turns out to be better then a B/B+ movie.

I don't think Shack hated it at all. He just wants to be part of the new elitist pirates hating club. He, magnus, and gullimont are gonna have a Pirate party when this is all said and done. They'll break out the eye patches and the wooden legs and the talking parrots and go watch AWE in the theater 23 times in a row until their brains burst from joy at having seen their new favorite film ever. But they made a pact, and under no circumstance can they ever reveal how much they loved the film for it would mean the terrorists gaining access to all our governments secrets and nuking North Korea thus starting World War 3.

I would like to commend these brave soldiers for hiding their true feelings for the good of this country ... and the world at large.



i'm bored

I never ever said that I gave it a perfect grade, or even an A. I liked it, it was fun. I would say I liked it either more than or just as much as the first one. I don't think any of the Pirates movies are the high-art that some people seem to think, nor do I think that of the SW, LOTR, etc.

My issue was calling people idiots and morons or whatever for liking the movie, and then calling it "discussion" or "debate". That isn't either of those things. I call people morons or idiots all the time, but it's still not a "discussion".

Frankly, when it comes to fanboys of any franchise there is no debating, as blind love or loyalty is just about impossible to deal with, as you can cite all the bad storytelling, bad filmmaking, bad acting, etc, and fanboys will still defend it to their graves. On earlier pages, though, it wasn't fanboys gushing about the movie, really, it was just people saying they liked it and thought it was fun, or loved it, whatever, and gave it an A.

Also, lots of people give A's to just about anything they liked. Some of us, me including, feel that if you give a billion movies an A, then the A sure as hell doesn't mean much. A is supposed to be really top quality movie material.

"Yes, I think the people giving AWE a perfect A or A+ grade are fucking stupid, blinded and dumb when it comes to grading a popcorn film like this." -Shack

No offense, but you gave ROTS an A+. You gave Ep3 an A+. How to you have any ground to stand on when it comes to saying AWE is not A quality if you think that Sith is A quality?

AWE, to me, is a very high B+. It was very enjoyable, fun, and I do plan on buying it.

As thompsoncory said, there are going to be a number of A's and A+'s for Transformers, when we all clearly know that isn't an A+ movie. How are they any more right then the people who give AWE an A or an A+? People like different stuff. People liked Delta Farce. Yes, there are for sure at least a few people who liked that. Those people are idiots, those people are morons. We should all be teaming up and ridiculing the clearly stupid, not attacking each other's franchises of favor.

We could band together and wipe off the Blue Collar Comedy crowd forever, doesn't that sound like a glorious goal?

Ok... I got carried away.

Thank you, at least one of you admitted it

A few things:

Just because you WANTED AWE to answer all of those "questions" presented in DMC doesn't mean is NEEDS to answer them. We all know this isn't going to be the last Pirates film. Nobody ever said that this movie contained everything you wanted to know in DMC. So what if it left things open? Obviously there are going to be more movies.

It provided everything it said it was going to provide, a fun, action packed film. It had necessary humor, and enough action to pass the time. It was never made out to be this great plot driven movie, unlike, let's say... The Matrix. Which focused whole-ly on plot and went the all action route in the 3rd. This series has NEVER been about plot. It was more like 300, mostly smoke and mirrors to make you think that there was a plot. Obviously you can't have a movie without any kind of plot, so it gave us a broken one.

You're all confusing WANTS and REALITY. You wanted something totally different, but didn't get it, so now you're whining like little babies because baby didn't get his way. The reality of the fact is that it delivered on everything MOST people expected. A great follow up to an average movie.

Did you ween off the breast milk too early or something?

I saw it today and I would give it a B+, I really enjoyed the last hour and loved the humor of the film. Rush, Depp, and the FX pretty much made the movie for me.

Can we not just say that there is no film that everyone liked, nor a film that everyone hates?


The same arguments just go full circle.

If Transformers, like Pirates, fails to impress (or even entertain) in the way it should, I will gladly tear it to shreds.

GLADLY. Because I'm ready to tear it apart

Quoted for truth.

In all of this, we didn't attack the film's believability, we didn't attack the film's walking dead subplots, the absurd set pieces, etc.

But the film had about 1.5 hours of dead time and was one of the longest theater going experiences ever. Pirates not delivering the entertainment is a HUGE SIN for what kind of movie it was.

The fact that it wasn't entertaining only highlights whatever was wrong with it.

Keep in mind that I still really like Dead Man's Chest because it *was* entertaining.

It's not riding on it's plot though.

It rode on what worked for it. And it rode it extremely well

See my addition.

It WAS entertaining. Throughout the entire film.

So the endless rounds of deals and meetings that wouldn't look out of place inside the Soviet Politburo is entertainment?

Dear oh Dear Chip I think your clutching at straws.

Its an affront to the definition of a fun popcorn movie

You were entertained when they went to the island (the one with the Kraken) then did 10-20 minutes of back and forth squabble on the Black Pearl, then the 20 minutes of back and forth between Will and Cutler, the 3 (if not more?) brig sequences, the looooooong and ultimately pointless (because they didn't actually fight) Pirate council?

Granted, there were a couple of good little scenes in there (the scene between Tia and Davy) and also the scene with the death of Norrington (who was woefully unused in this film) but I was astounded by how complicated this section of the film was when they could have very easily streamlined it, simplified it, and moved on to the next gaggy adventure.

They really sacrificed Will's character in this part of the movie now that I think about it. Hmmmm.

Yeah -- there's a plot. What were they thinking?

I'd rather a movie try for too many things and fall short then not try at all.

I actually agree. I will give Verbinski points for trying... I think these films are crafted lovingly, if not perfectly.

Despite the fact that I didn't like this version of Pirates, it wasn't an abomination like say... Spider-Man 3 was in my eyes.

There is a salvagable film in Pirates, and the acting and set pieces were decent enough.

If you're referring to this--

http://www.sithcamaro.com/singapore/

--then that costume was designed and created by the man in the photos, Toby Markham. It was not in any way connected to the movie except that he was inspired by Keira and Chow's Asian costumes.

Toby had made a couple photomanips just out of curiousity to see what Johnny/Jack would look like in the costume. The pics managed to get out into the fandom, and so many people thought they were real (though a few could slightly tell that they were manips). He confessed to making them after he debuted his costume (which was meant to be a secret) at Comic Con last summer. And yet even up to now there were/are people who thought it was real.

In fact, this picture is of Toby holding one of the magazines that thought his photomanip was the real deal--

http://www.sithcamaro.com/singapore/pages/0337_jpg.htm

Joy

What was with the dudes in the bathhouse? Did they have fungi growing out of their face?

I beleive that was the effects of the overuse of opium, just embellished a tad.

C+

This movie was a jumbled mess of conflicting stories, and absurd plot shifts. Jack's hallucinations were pathetic. This movie didn't have nearly the amount of comedy the first two had. His zingers in this movie fell flat with everyone in the audience. Kiera and Orlando looked bored throughout the movie. The lack of chemistry between the characters was ridiculously poor. I loved the British ship blowing up at the end, but other than that, this movie was a big letdown.

BTW, why was this movie rated Pg-13. The sheer amount of violence and man on man killing was insane. Disney must have forked over some heavy cash like Spielberg did for Minority Report.

I thought the violence was no worse than anything in the first two.

By the way, did anyone else find Lord Beckett's ridiculously overblown death and that giant Tia Dalma to be laughable?