Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
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Jim Halpert
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i really enjoyed the film. not nearly as good as the first film but on par with the second one.
B+
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Webslinger
why so serious?
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Jayhawk wrote: i really enjoyed the film. not nearly as good as the first film but on par with the second one.
B+
You pretty much nailed my opinion on this one.
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Sun May 27, 2007 12:25 am |
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Speevy
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Positive* Jon wrote: The amount of hate flying around in this thread is kinda disturbing.  I mean, I can see why one would hate it, but really, what the HELL is with the berating by the haters here? I mean really, I'm annoyed by the fact that people gave such a mediocre movie like 300 As when it deserves nothing more than at the very most a B, but you don't see me posting an update every page going "Ugh people are such IDIOTS" Alright someone agrees with me!" Woo hoo, a bunch of people aren't on crack like those dumbasses that loved it, whoo!" The film makes little to no sense after viewing, but it sure as hell went down well for me. Shame that's not the case for pretty much any poster whose tastes I usually relate to (Loyal, MovieDude, Shack, et al.) sans maybe Snrub and Dark Shape. Seriously though, is this really worth 11 pages of debate in 48 hours? Oy.
The loudest are always those who hated the movie. Those who liked/loved the movie enoyed the movie and go about their business. Of course there are some exceptions to this rule. But those who hate a movie feel the need to rip apart every little thing about the movie and try to get everyone to agree with their opinion.
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Sun May 27, 2007 12:32 am |
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Libs
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A notch above the second film, but still a disappointment compared to the first movie. This is one of the most excruciatingly bloated films I've seen in a long while. The final hour is exciting and tremendous fun, but the two hours preceding it are mostly hit-and-miss. Bottom line, the movie certainly did not need to be that dang long. Depp has a lot less to do here (he doesn't even show up until 30 minutes have passed), but he's still probably the highlight. Keira Knightley is again solid, and Orlando Bloom is less boring in this movie. Overall, it gets a B- from me, mostly because of the final hour.
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Sun May 27, 2007 12:36 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Speevy wrote: Positive* Jon wrote: The amount of hate flying around in this thread is kinda disturbing.  I mean, I can see why one would hate it, but really, what the HELL is with the berating by the haters here? I mean really, I'm annoyed by the fact that people gave such a mediocre movie like 300 As when it deserves nothing more than at the very most a B, but you don't see me posting an update every page going "Ugh people are such IDIOTS" Alright someone agrees with me!" Woo hoo, a bunch of people aren't on crack like those dumbasses that loved it, whoo!" The film makes little to no sense after viewing, but it sure as hell went down well for me. Shame that's not the case for pretty much any poster whose tastes I usually relate to (Loyal, MovieDude, Shack, et al.) sans maybe Snrub and Dark Shape. Seriously though, is this really worth 11 pages of debate in 48 hours? Oy. The loudest are always those who hated the movie. Those who liked/loved the movie enoyed the movie and go about their business. Of course there are some exceptions to this rule. But those who hate a movie feel the need to rip apart every little thing about the movie and try to get everyone to agree with their opinion.
Well yeah, that's normally the way things work. Hate is louder than love. And it's easier to rip things in negativity, you can't go on for pages of "Yeah, the acting rocked... The writing rocked... I liked the fight scene" like you can pointing out faults. Anyways, bitching is fun.
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nghtvsn
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I enjoyed watching this sequel that seems to have improved from DMC for me personally. This one had a continuation of the dark tone from DMC, a fairly good story, nice dialogue, good acting and interesting characters. I think they could have done more with Calypso because I think her side story got washed away pretty fast when she was finally released from human form. I liked Barbossa alot and he's kind of becoming my favorite character in the films. The death of Davey Jones was well done and seemed to have real impact. The death of Will Turner was also done well and wasn't cheesy at all for me. Also, I liked how they kept bringing up that whomever kills Davey Jones must take his place and who that would be in the end was very much up in the air till the stabbing of Will. It easily could have been Elizabeth if she had been stabbed. The comedy bits were just right and I really liked the former guards turned pirates at the end. One of whom was really hamming it up. The action for the last 45 minutes was fantastic and top notch and the ending was practically as perfect as it gets. I'm looking forward to the next film already because the Fountain of Youth storyline can have some cool possibilities.
Grade - B A very strong B.
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Sun May 27, 2007 1:07 am |
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Jonathan
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Shack wrote: Well yeah, that's normally the way things work. Hate is louder than love. And it's easier to rip things in negativity, you can't go on for pages of "Yeah, the acting rocked... The writing rocked... I liked the fight scene" like you can pointing out faults. Anyways, bitching is fun.
Tell that to the Children of Men thread. Though I'm sure that a couple pages are bitching about the Bs the film undeservingly got.
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Sun May 27, 2007 1:10 am |
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DP07
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Bonecrusher wrote: Jazz wrote: andaroo wrote: Jazz wrote: It's a popcorn flick.  It's made with a specific purpose and that might or might not get you to like it, but why should others think of it in the same way. If it accomplishes what was intended why should it matter how it does so? This is the BKB/Plan B defense... "Well the movie is a popcorn movie so why are you ... x..." It's not a particulary great way to defend a film. I'm off to the Aquarium! It doesn't try to be certain things. That's the point. Sure it does. Its tries to be a pompous lecturing ode on freedom and honour when its patiently ill equipped to talk about either. If it tries to be something its not then it should be called on it. That's ridiculous. First off, it only tries to use honor or freedom as ways to appeal to a wide audience. I mean, the characters have to stand for something and who will argue against those? If you think it's trying to lecture you, heh, I don't even know what to say about that. Second, honor and freedom can mean so many different things from different perspectives that you don't need to be qualified to have an opinion on it. Hell, when I hear the words in many situations I think they have very little meaning.
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Sun May 27, 2007 1:56 am |
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DP07
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Jazz wrote: andaroo wrote: thompsoncory wrote: I just kind of find it rude and insulting how all the naysayers are basically saying their opinion is the only "right" one and those who like/love this movie are either "idiots" or "don't understand film." You can hardly blame me, it seems with this, you don't seem to understand film at all. You'd be able to see the many gaping flaws of this if you did and even if you still ended up enjoying it, you'd be able to accept the critques. There wouldn't be such a controversy. You may all think we are "naysayers" and nitpickers, but it cuts both way. The word "naysayer" is in itself, insulting. It that there seems to be what amounts to silence everyone who didn't like this film, from critics to posters. I see most of you as little more than cattle, willing to chew up everything with a CG/action balance and hoist it up as "one of the best films of the year". 
Ok, I regret laughing at you.
But one point I wish to make is that I don't think the problem is simply being "insulting". I don't have a problem with someone saying something negative about someone else's words or actions. I only have a problem if it's without justification. Liking this film? I don't see how anything can be wrong with that. Having it as one of the best of the year? I don't quite understand that, but it doesn't matter, I can respect it. Again, what's wrong with that?
Also, the CG/action line is inaccurate since I don't know of anyone who doesn't hate some CG/action films. Cattle? How so if something clearly affects those opinions even if it's something you don't relate to.
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tina_als_girl
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andaroo wrote: What was with the dudes in the bathhouse? Did they have fungi growing out of their face?
Yes, it is fungi. The Visual Guide tells us that Sao Feng keeps the bathhouse so humid with steam that fungus grows everywhere, even on the crew.
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Sun May 27, 2007 2:15 am |
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roo
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DP07, replying in PM.
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Dkmuto
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To preface, I should remind those curious that I am, in fact, a Pirates fan. I don't think Black Pearl is great, but I do like it. And I was one of the few (literally, a few, there are maybe two or three of us in the world) who thought Dead Man's Chest was an improvement upon the original: it was more energetic, more exciting, funnier, sustained its runtime more effectively, etc.
I hated At World's End. But there's really nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. But I'll say it again, for fun!
It's humorless. Jack Sparrow's antics and facial expressions always did it for me, but here he's relegated to unfunny hallucinations where doubles of him do unfunny things. Like eat peanuts. And what happened to the characters interacting? Remember when Sparrow and Will and Elizabeth actually said funny things to each other?
The charm is gone. And instead, it's replaced with strict action. And it's not even comic action like the wheel scene in DMC. The climax is just a bunch of swordfighting in the rain as the boats swirl around.
It is not only confusing, it is utterly confounding. When Calypso turned into a giant, I stopped even trying. Imagine someone new to the Pirates franchise coming into At World's End. I'll admit, although I liked DMC a lot, a year later, I couldn't tell you what the story was. And AWE makes no attempts at getting us up to speed. Neither at the beginning nor during the course of the film.
And all of this rendered its two-week running time unbearable. The first two-thirds of the film were excruciating for me.
I don't want to take a crap on Pirates' fans parade. I think it's a good franchise. I just think there was so much story left to cover that its serious nature overtook other concerns. Concerns for a light tone and humor -- the characteristics that defined the first two installments. After all, Black Pearl didn't become the megahit it did solely because people liked the ship battles and swordfighting.
D+
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Sun May 27, 2007 3:58 am |
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MadGez
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The main negatives for me:
* The whole Calypso story
* Jack Sparrow. Yes Jack Sparrow was one of the weakest aspects of the film which is surprising since he put the franchise on the map. The hallucinations scenese were terrible. Like the old WB cartoons with an angel and devil acting as a guys conscience.
* Couldnt understand some of the Pirate speak
* The whole 9 of 8 thing didnt work and was anti climactic
* Too many double crosses and convulated story
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Riggs
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The movie definately had it's problems. Chow-Yun Fat should have been cut, not enough Sparrow, it was way too confusing for a movie like this and it was slow every now and then, but I was still the whole time entertained. The only thing that really sucked were Jack's hallucinations. There were some fantastic action scenes (the last battle was gigantic), it was really funny at times (loved Barbossa) and beautiful to look at. A-/B+
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Riggs
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But I'll have to see the movie again before I can give it my final grade.
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Gulli
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I really wish Shack/Magnus hadn't used the "Fucking idiots" line. It really devalued the very valid negative points about this film other posters were bringing up.
Remember lads next time attack the shite movie, not people who have watched it.
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Timayd
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Bonecrusher wrote: I really wise Shack/Magnus hadn't used the "Fucking idiots" line. It really devalued the very valid negative points about this film other posters were bringing up.
Remember lads next time attack the shite movie, not people who have watched it.
Good job, fucking idiots.
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
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Pointless and boring.
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Sun May 27, 2007 2:23 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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Me disagreeing with getluv. It's as consistent as gravity.
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Snrub
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The Dark Shape wrote: Me disagreeing with getluv. It's as consistent as gravity.
Heh, I originally misread that last sentence as "It has the consistency of gravy."
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getluv
i break the rules, so i don't care
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Everything I say is true. I was so bored.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Barricade wrote: Bonecrusher wrote: I really wise Shack/Magnus hadn't used the "Fucking idiots" line. It really devalued the very valid negative points about this film other posters were bringing up.
Remember lads next time attack the shite movie, not people who have watched it. Aye, that be true. But....I just love saying fucking idiots.
Its official, your opinion is no longer in anyway valued by BJ. 
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Corpse
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I don't think Sao Feng should have been cut.
I think they should have spoke about him and his reputation. Give us more detail about his character and who he was at the beginning, while stealing the map and ship. But never actually show him until later in the movie when he aligned himself with Beckett to get revenge. Then Barbossa could do his persuading thing about Elizabeth being Calypso (well, he never said she was, but Sao Feng thought it was her, so it works out). Have him take Elizabeth like it happened in the actual movie, BUT, not get attacked and killed. Cut that part out. Instead, have him along with Elizabeth go to ShipWrecked Cove and have him tell them they have Calypso on their side instead of Barbossa. The voting could have still worked out too, since Jack could have voted for Sao Feng to become the Pirate King, who would have went along with Elizabeth's plan to fight since he believed her to be Calypso. The swap between Will and Jack could have still worked out before the battle as well.
Then have Sao Feng and Elizabeth on the Empress sail into battle along with Barbossa and the Pearl against Jones and the Flying Dutcman and Beckett and his ship. 4 ships in the big battle instead of 2. Sao Feng should have been killed off soon after this, and have him make Elizabeth the captain during the battle, who would then escape the sinking Empress to help out Barbossa and Will on the Pearl.
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The Dark Shape
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Or they cut just cut him, save themselves thirty minutes of screentime and quite a bit confusion.
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
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NOO!!!
Sao Feng was cool. I saw this toy at Wal-Mart some weeks ago that featured him, and with him came a Dragon Shaped Cannon, that show what appeared to be cannon balls that were on fire. I was SOOO hoping this would be in the film, but it wasnt....
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