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A positive side effect here is that this will greatly hurt Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Iran develops a lot of their drones and other weapons. This will greatly help Ukraine. I think I am in minority here, but I think a strategic strike on Iran could do the world some good. Hard to feel bad for Iran when they have a death to America mindset. Although I worry what the long term consequences are here. Afterall, there is a reason they say death to America. I hope for a better Iran going forward, but again our foreign interferences post Eisenhower have rarely been positive

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If Iran folds instead of retaliating it could turn out ok, but not sure they think that way.


Of course they are going to retaliate.


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Their nuclear program almost certainly won’t recover, but neither will any other. All they have is hypocrisy and projection. They will dismantle and disarm all nuclear programs as soon as realistically possible as required, or they will be eliminated, exterminated, and driven to extinction. (Edit: more rapidly).


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If Iran folds instead of retaliating it could turn out ok, but not sure they think that way.


Of course they are going to retaliate.


They have already warned twice.


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A positive side effect here is that this will greatly hurt Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Iran develops a lot of their drones and other weapons. This will greatly help Ukraine. I think I am in minority here, but I think a strategic strike on Iran could do the world some good. Hard to feel bad for Iran when they have a death to America mindset. Although I worry what the long term consequences are here. Afterall, there is a reason they say death to America. I hope for a better Iran going forward, but again our foreign interferences post Eisenhower have rarely been positive


Your morality is nothing but subjective and self-interested. If you could try to insult Iran, you can do the same for American history and legacy, which continues in the present day.


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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
A positive side effect here is that this will greatly hurt Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Iran develops a lot of their drones and other weapons. This will greatly help Ukraine. I think I am in minority here, but I think a strategic strike on Iran could do the world some good. Hard to feel bad for Iran when they have a death to America mindset. Although I worry what the long term consequences are here. Afterall, there is a reason they say death to America. I hope for a better Iran going forward, but again our foreign interferences post Eisenhower have rarely been positive


Greatly? No. You’re completely exaggerating the effect on Russia’s military. If it doesn’t affect the finances of Putin or Russia, it won’t ultimately affect their military or drone operations much, if at all.


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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
A positive side effect here is that this will greatly hurt Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Iran develops a lot of their drones and other weapons. This will greatly help Ukraine. I think I am in minority here, but I think a strategic strike on Iran could do the world some good. Hard to feel bad for Iran when they have a death to America mindset. Although I worry what the long term consequences are here. Afterall, there is a reason they say death to America. I hope for a better Iran going forward, but again our foreign interferences post Eisenhower have rarely been positive


Greatly? No. You’re completely exaggerating the effect on Russia’s military. If it doesn’t affect the finances of Putin or Russia, it won’t ultimately affect their military or drone operations much, if at all.


The only positive (for the “West”) is that it undermines any nuclear blackmail, or strategic nuclear exploitation by Putin. Still, Putin can continue to undermine Western nuclear strategy.


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And Putin isn’t concerned about military strikes against Russia’s nuclear arsenal, deployment, facilities, infrastructure, systems, grid, programs, or operations.


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Iran's retaliation may have been intentionally to not do much real damage, but to save face.

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I agree Shack. Honestly this has turned out into a huge win for Trump. America looked weak but now it looks strong. Very well played Trump. Although this was more on Netanyahu instead I think and Trump swooped in to piggy back off his success, but still well done.

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Iran's retaliation may have been intentionally to not do much real damage, but to save face.


Like it always is with Iran. And it's that way because they do not have nukes. So it's better for the world to keep it like that.

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May have spoke too soon as it appears neither side is respecting the Us right now.

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All the world's villains are in decline. Their systems just do not work. China is utterly screwed economically and demographically. Russia too, and militarily. Iran was about as easy to beat as taking candy from a baby. I don't know why we were all so worried about these backward nations. They are not the future.

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Been impressed with Trump’s recent foreign policy. This NATO summit was a great day for Western World Order. Now if only Trump can improve his domestic stances.

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All the world's villains are in decline. Their systems just do not work. China is utterly screwed economically and demographically. Russia too, and militarily. Iran was about as easy to beat as taking candy from a baby. I don't know why we were all so worried about these backward nations. They are not the future.


This is the obviously, objectively, unquestionably, undoubtedly, and without debate the stupidest, most ignorant, shortsighted, and superficial post I’ve ever read on, not only this forum, but the entire internet, which is saying something. No exaggeration or hyperbole; your post is the epitome of foolish ignorance.

Anyway, the concept of “villains” (and “hero’s”) for Homo Sapien, is nothing but subjective, arbitrary and selfish. As with all politics, and all states, there’s no objective basis, hope, or future whatsoever for their morality, narratives, or concepts of “villains and heroes” etc. continuing to have hope is nothing but foolishness.

The west’s enemies are not in decline, their mutual benefit and cooperation with “the west” are in decline. The “west’s” supposed “victories” are nothing but suicidal. The systems of the “U.S.” and its allies do not work either, they only depend on capitalism, which provides only temporarily borrowed time. They absolutely are not the future whatsoever and are absolutely just as primitive in any substantial, or comprehensive sense, and by any advanced standard, as Afghanistan or Gaza. It’s simply pathetically stupid, ignorant, and naive to disagree, or have any hope whatsoever. Your civilization has no hope, prospect, or future whatsoever, and has no capacity, ability, or tenable rational basis concerning responsibility and complicity for any hope, prospect, or future. You fail, and even lack awareness of your obvious failures for a long time because the alternative is only possibly unconditional surrender, (or progressive and gradual partial surrender slowly becoming effective). Your perspective, like all others from your systems, countries, eras, and politics, is fundamentally subjective with no objective ability or prospect to evaluate your own success and failure.


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Iran's retaliation may have been intentionally to not do much real damage, but to save face.


No, it’s mainly strategic for the future. Iran wasn’t prepared now for a major conflict with the “U.S.”, still, they declared victory just as rationally as the “U.S.”. The nuclear programs of “the west” lost their only strategic basis for continuity, which was human irrational morality, or politics and law, or essentially propaganda. With that gone, they have no sustainable support that can continue or survive whatsoever. Their nuclear programs have no future or prospect whatsoever.

I should note, I’m not interested in Iran having nuclear weapons either.


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Algren wrote:
Shack wrote:
Iran's retaliation may have been intentionally to not do much real damage, but to save face.


Like it always is with Iran. And it's that way because they do not have nukes. So it's better for the world to keep it like that.


That’s obviously false when you consider the damage they recently did to Israel. It’s really only an issue of economics, and yeah, that includes sanctions, but Russia has already broken the sanctions regime, and Trump’s Tariff war has damaged the system beyond repair. Anyway global economic changes, shifts, and economic redistribution have already been happening, have only increased recently, and will inevitably continue, if not accelerate in the near future. Trump represents economic denial, relative decline, and a desperate last grasp at broken dominance and relevance.


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I agree Shack. Honestly this has turned out into a huge win for Trump. America looked weak but now it looks strong. Very well played Trump. Although this was more on Netanyahu instead I think and Trump swooped in to piggy back off his success, but still well done.


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May have spoke too soon as it appears neither side is respecting the Us right now.


The idea that Iran wasn’t even trying to build a nuclear bomb, or that it already has one at other sites, seem as believable as Trump’s claims. He certainly hasn’t helped the credibility of the case he’s trying to make.

I wouldn’t expect Iran to respond in way that is against their interests, so I wouldn’t expect any sort of clear answer anyway.


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Been impressed with Trump’s recent foreign policy. This NATO summit was a great day for Western World Order. Now if only Trump can improve his domestic stances.


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DP07 wrote:
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Been impressed with Trump’s recent foreign policy. This NATO summit was a great day for Western World Order. Now if only Trump can improve his domestic stances.


Testing


Oh it’s the emojis.

Fine I’ll use the other one’s, and just laugh rather than type a new post.

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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Been impressed with Trump’s recent foreign policy. This NATO summit was a great day for Western World Order. Now if only Trump can improve his domestic stances.


He will screw it up, though. He is exhausting. When things look good for western world order, he will throw a spanner in the works at some point. He is like a woman. He needs drama in his life.

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Oh yes Trump is about headlines for sure

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