Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Author |
Message |
Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 3290 Location: Houston
|
Sao Feng was great. The only part of the movie that pissed me off was Jack Sparrow. I'm a very patient moviegoer -- I sat through all of Ultraviolet for fuck's sake -- but the hallucinations couldn't help but make me groan. What would otherwise be a great movie (A+) barely makes B+, and that's after forgiving Sparrow. Kill me if you want, but I relish the more complex plot points, and the emotional struggles. Dead Man's Chest has held up better on repeat viewings than Curse of the Black Pearl for me, for that reason.
_________________
(hitokiri battousai)
|
Sun May 27, 2007 9:00 pm |
|
 |
makeshift
Teenage Dream
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:20 am Posts: 9247
|
çørpsé wrote: NOO!!!
Sao Feng was cool. I saw this toy at Wal-Mart some weeks ago that featured him, and with him came a Dragon Shaped Cannon, that show what appeared to be cannon balls that were on fire. I was SOOO hoping this would be in the film, but it wasnt....
This is ironic and telling on so many levels I think my head may explode.
|
Sun May 27, 2007 9:00 pm |
|
 |
Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
|
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
|
Sun May 27, 2007 9:18 pm |
|
 |
rtms
Angels & Demons
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:08 pm Posts: 227 Location: Canada
|
Dkmuto wrote: To preface, I should remind those curious that I am, in fact, a Pirates fan. I don't think Black Pearl is great, but I do like it. And I was one of the few (literally, a few, there are maybe two or three of us in the world) who thought Dead Man's Chest was an improvement upon the original: it was more energetic, more exciting, funnier, sustained its runtime more effectively, etc.
I hated At World's End. But there's really nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. But I'll say it again, for fun!
It's humorless. Jack Sparrow's antics and facial expressions always did it for me, but here he's relegated to unfunny hallucinations where doubles of him do unfunny things. Like eat peanuts. And what happened to the characters interacting? Remember when Sparrow and Will and Elizabeth actually said funny things to each other?
The charm is gone. And instead, it's replaced with strict action. And it's not even comic action like the wheel scene in DMC. The climax is just a bunch of swordfighting in the rain as the boats swirl around.
It is not only confusing, it is utterly confounding. When Calypso turned into a giant, I stopped even trying. Imagine someone new to the Pirates franchise coming into At World's End. I'll admit, although I liked DMC a lot, a year later, I couldn't tell you what the story was. And AWE makes no attempts at getting us up to speed. Neither at the beginning nor during the course of the film.
And all of this rendered its two-week running time unbearable. The first two-thirds of the film were excruciating for me.
I don't want to take a crap on Pirates' fans parade. I think it's a good franchise. I just think there was so much story left to cover that its serious nature overtook other concerns. Concerns for a light tone and humor -- the characteristics that defined the first two installments. After all, Black Pearl didn't become the megahit it did solely because people liked the ship battles and swordfighting.
D+
My goodness I couldn't agree more with you. Jack was the weakest part in this story and very under used. Heck the pirate crews got better scenes and lines than he did. He just was not given enough to do in this film other than a few words and one sword fight.
Seo feug? was a complete bore, and never should have gotten the screen time he did. That again should have gone to Jack. Out of all the various captains it was Barbarossa that I was most impressed with. Rush did a great job once again and stole the movie away from the others. He was the fun pirate, the calculating pirate, the roguish pirate everyone hates to love and cheer for because he's right.
Elisabeth was also a disappointment. I hated how her story ended up. I m sorry but from the last two films it's been made clear that she has wanted to be a pirate and enjoys it. For her to end up the wife and mother waiting for her husband to come home...please. It should have been her on that Dutchman not Will. Heck she should have gotten her own ship in the end and became a famous pirate herself.Jack called her out in the second film, this film showed she had what it takes and then...nothing. Sorry but Will has never demonstrated an ounce of pirate in him. I always roll my eyes with him, because he always came off at a little boy wanting to play pirate but couldn't pull it off.
I actually didn't find the story confusing as others have said.I guess paid enough attention to the other films. One thing I am confused over is Will's tenure on the Dutchman. Davey Jones said the reason his curse continued was because Calypso wasn't there when he returned from his first 10yrs, implying that the curse is lifted when one's true love is returned. Yet Bootstrap Bill implies that Will made a big sacrifice, that he only gets to be with Elisabeth one day every 10 yrs, and Will says it depended on how one spent that day, implying he was cursed to captain the Dutchman until eternity. Which is it?
I was generous in the poll and gave it a B, but really I think this is more of a C-. Not a very satisfying end. I don't see this franchise continuing given the ending after the credits and I think that would be wise.
|
Sun May 27, 2007 11:02 pm |
|
 |
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48677 Location: Arlington, VA
|
I downgraded to a C+
The more I thought about it, the more boring and nonsensical I realized it was. It's really no better than the second movie, which is very unfortunate. Damn Pirates.
|
Sun May 27, 2007 11:29 pm |
|
 |
rolandka19
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:33 am Posts: 1117 Location: Somewhere in the East Coast
|
Loads of fun. Surpasses Dead Man's Chest in every way possible- this film is faster, funnier, and much more action-packed. The action sequences are simply breathtaking and very well-staged, the performances are all solid (even Orlando Bloom managed not to be boring), and the special effects were astounding. A bit overlong though. A-
|
Mon May 28, 2007 12:44 am |
|
 |
Bell
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 am Posts: 1906 Location: Middle Of Nowhere
|
Great movie!!!! still loved Johnny Depp in Capt. Jack Sparrow role. the story is abit confusing but still fun. at least this May PotC 3 satisfied me, after my dissapointment of Spider-Man 3 early May. i give it a solid A+
|
Mon May 28, 2007 11:07 am |
|
 |
thompsoncory
Rachel McAdams Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14616 Location: LA / NYC
|
Saw it again today and my grade still stands at a 10/10 (A+). This movie is absolutely phenomenal - I loved it even more this time around.
|
Mon May 28, 2007 3:10 pm |
|
 |
Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
|
I don't understand how people found the plot confusing. I mean, it may have been a little bit too dense and convoluted, but it was spelt out perfectly well I thought.
|
Mon May 28, 2007 3:12 pm |
|
 |
roo
invading your spaces
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 6194
|
Snrub wrote: I don't understand how people found the plot confusing. I mean, it may have been a little bit too dense and convoluted, but it was spelt out perfectly well I thought.
Maybe confusing isn't the right word. I think pointless is more or less the correct term. I found all of the betrayals did absolutely nothing to the plot, stuff still happened and people still switched sides but everybody pretty much ended up on the "right" side.
Norrington's betrayal seems to be the only one that had significant impact on the story. He's also the only one who had to think about his actions.
|
Mon May 28, 2007 4:35 pm |
|
 |
Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40455
|
It wasn't confusing to me either. I thought DMC was a bit more confusing with the unexplained dice game and the whole thing about Jack being on that island (though during my one an only viewing of that movie, some annoying chicks were talking right beside me and I missed some of that island stuff). Dead or pointless weight is the right term for the betrayal stuff, the movie just went nowhere for half its running time.
_________________Shack’s top 50 tv shows - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=90227
|
Mon May 28, 2007 6:16 pm |
|
 |
bABA
Commander and Chef
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
|
It ain't A+
It ain't as bad as people are making it out to be.
Its a great fun flick thats overly long and and with some incredibly stupid moments.
|
Mon May 28, 2007 6:35 pm |
|
 |
Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25314 Location: Classified
|
http://worldsendscript.ytmnd.com/
loved the movie but still found that hilarious 
|
Mon May 28, 2007 9:37 pm |
|
 |
Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 3290 Location: Houston
|
Snrub wrote: I don't understand how people found the plot confusing. I mean, it may have been a little bit too dense and convoluted, but it was spelt out perfectly well I thought.
Exactly -- if a dumb adventure movie like this is confusing, what about Eternal Sunshine? :rolleyes:
_________________
(hitokiri battousai)
|
Mon May 28, 2007 11:32 pm |
|
 |
DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
|
andaroo wrote: Snrub wrote: I don't understand how people found the plot confusing. I mean, it may have been a little bit too dense and convoluted, but it was spelt out perfectly well I thought. Maybe confusing isn't the right word. I think pointless is more or less the correct term. I found all of the betrayals did absolutely nothing to the plot, stuff still happened and people still switched sides but everybody pretty much ended up on the "right" side. Norrington's betrayal seems to be the only one that had significant impact on the story. He's also the only one who had to think about his actions.
Why not have betrayals for their own sake? I personally find it interesting even if it serves no other purpose. It's also more realistic since things are hardly neat in reality. Not that the movie was realistic on many levels, but in terms of the nature of politics the films largely are.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 1:12 am |
|
 |
roo
invading your spaces
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 6194
|
Jazz wrote: Why not have betrayals for their own sake? I personally find it interesting even if it serves no other purpose. It's also more realistic since things are hardly neat in reality. Not that the movie was realistic on many levels, but in terms of the nature of politics the films largely are.
I wouldn't call the political situation in the film realistic on any level. I'm not seeing the parallels... at least how I'm thinking about it. And the level of betrayals would fit a Bourne movie, but not necessarily a movie's who primary focus is ship explosions, mascara and fish people. In the end, Pirates had a very limited time in order to work the plot in of the film, and they shoehorned a complicated one at that, which required bulky exposition. It's really a failure on a screen writing level.
One of the things I really liked about Dead Man's Chest is that it was aiming towards this "end of the world" situation in regards to the Pirate lifestyle, because that indeed did happen around the time the movie is set. The Europeans (who were now sailing merchant vessels back and forth) requested of their government to remove the pirates from the Carribean so that trade wouldn't be stiffled. This led to the virtual end of piracy in the those waters (not completely, but mostly).
I was excited by the idea that (I thought) they were going to address this (in a way at least) in the film, and a bit dismayed in the end by the fact that the pirates actually won. I had assumed that "At World's End" had a double meaning... for the literal world's end they find, and the world of the pirates coming to an end. But that didn't happen. Oh well.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 2:02 am |
|
 |
DP07
The Thirteenth Floor
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 15539 Location: Everywhere
|
andaroo wrote: Jazz wrote: Why not have betrayals for their own sake? I personally find it interesting even if it serves no other purpose. It's also more realistic since things are hardly neat in reality. Not that the movie was realistic on many levels, but in terms of the nature of politics the films largely are. I wouldn't call the political situation in the film realistic on any level. I'm not seeing the parallels... at least how I'm thinking about it. And the level of betrayals would fit a Bourne movie, but not necessarily a movie's who primary focus is ship explosions, mascara and fish people. In the end, Pirates had a very limited time in order to work the plot in of the film, and they shoehorned a complicated one at that, which required bulky exposition. It's really a failure on a screen writing level. One of the things I really liked about Dead Man's Chest is that it was aiming towards this "end of the world" situation in regards to the Pirate lifestyle, because that indeed did happen around the time the movie is set. The Europeans (who were now sailing merchant vessels back and forth) requested of their government to remove the pirates from the Carribean so that trade wouldn't be stiffled. This led to the virtual end of piracy in the those waters (not completely, but mostly). I was excited by the idea that (I thought) they were going to address this (in a way at least) in the film, and a bit dismayed in the end by the fact that the pirates actually won. I had assumed that "At World's End" had a double meaning... for the literal world's end they find, and the world of the pirates coming to an end. But that didn't happen. Oh well.
A) I liked the complicated plot for it's own sake.
B) It doesn't seem that it has hurt WOM, so I don't think you can call it a failure in that way (that is after all the only aim of this movie: to keep audiences happy). It's trying to satisfy many different segments of the audience, and maybe I'm not the only Bourne fan.
C) Did you really think the Pirates would lose? Really? I mean, did you actually really, really think they would lose? This is hollywood with Jack of course sailing into the sunset (liked the twist though) and (more) sequels.
D) The politics in terms of the way people think, what motivates them, how it makes them act, and how they then all interact with each other, is quite realistic IMO. The general patterns; of course this involves things like Davy Jones' heart in a chest. It's convoluted; so is the real world. For me, that makes it interesting.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 2:25 am |
|
 |
insomniacdude
I just lost the game
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:00 pm Posts: 5868
|
Saw it again tonight. I moved passed my disappointment over the past few days, so I can appreciate AWE for what it was. It was much more entertaining the second time around. And I thought I understood the plot on first viewing, but I was wrong. Everything just seemed to click perfectly into place this time. I had much more fun. I'm still incredibly disappointed for all of the reasons I've already listed, but for what I got, I enjoy the movie.
_________________
Last edited by insomniacdude on Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 3:10 am |
|
 |
Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
|
insomniacdude wrote: Saw it again tonight. I moved passed my disappointment over the past few days, so I can appreciate AWE for what it was. It was much more entertaining the second time around. I had much more fun. I'm still incredibly disappointed for all of the reasons I've already listened, but for what I got, I enjoy the movie.
I felt exactly the same way after my second viewing of Spider-Man 3.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 9:39 am |
|
 |
Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21889 Location: Walking around somewhere
|
The story is not confusing, it was just almost the same thing over and over. There would be a problem, they'd solve it, and them someone would back stab someone to start another problem. Even Depp seemed confused by the backstabbings, and forget he backstabbed all of them. Apart from Depp having some occasional good humor, it was almost painful. I was completely worried by the first scene when I saw almost a joke from another movie:
-Elizabeth has a lot of guns, and needs to unload them, pulling a huge one out of her ass at the end
-One pirate underneath sees up a girls skirt, calls the other over, he looks up at another spot to see under a fat guy
-Midget Jokes are always funny
-Go ahead an kill him, he's not one of ours
Did the writers just watch action comedies from the 80s and early 90s and just take jokes they laughed hysterically at.
Those two pirates made me ache every time (C3PO and R2D2 they are not) and the reason to bring back the very unfunny Brittish troops that argue are just stupid (that was great writing for Jack to steal the Chest from them)
This movie is just making me more mad now with so many people loving it.
_________________ Chippy wrote: As always, fuck Thegun. Chippy wrote: I want to live vicariously through you, Thegun!
|
Tue May 29, 2007 12:18 pm |
|
 |
movies35
Forum General
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:53 pm Posts: 8627 Location: Syracuse, NY
|
Ever since the first Pirates of the Caribbean film came out, I was far from a fan. While they were entertaining films, they were also quite overrated and nothing special. They were nothing more than average, entertaining summer blockbusters. Then the third installment, At World's End comes along and I've now got to say that the Pirates franchise is one of my favorites. It's really quite amazing how one movie can sway your opinion so much but it most definitely has. The new Pirates has it all; action, witty dialogue, sweeping romance. There really is something in it for everybody. Clocking in at nearly three hours long, the film never quite seems like it. In fact, I was surprised when the final battle came up because I was expecting quite a bit more since the time flew by so incrediblely fast. Unlike the first two films in the franchise, I could relate to this. I could relate to the characters and their actions. Especially Elizabeth, played perfectly by Keira Knightley. She was a real scene stealer and even scenes that could've come off as cheesy, like the war speech, came off as perfection. Johnny Depp is also great here, though I still find his character overrated. With this film I have grown to form some kind of love for him. His hallucinations were priceless as well. All the other performances were just fine but those were the two real stand outs in the film. The action was great too, the final battle was absolutely breathtaking. And the finale was a perfect end to the Pirates saga. I really hope they don't make a fourth. It ended perfectly. I honestly don't know how someone could not fall in love with Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. It's honestly one of the frist epic movies that I've seen that have really felt epic and made me want to see it again as soon as possible. It's a can't miss summer blockbuster. Most definitely recommended for everyone!
9/10 (A)
_________________ Top 10 Films of 2016
1. La La Land 2. Other People 3. Nocturnal Animals 4. Swiss Army Man 5. Manchester by the Sea 6. The Edge of Seventeen 7. Sing Street 8. Indignation 9. The Lobster 10. Hell or High Water
|
Tue May 29, 2007 12:30 pm |
|
 |
Squee
Squee
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
|
Just got back from the moooooovie... Thought it was better than Dead Man's Chest.
Some corn here and there I didn't particularly like... and a 100 foot giant person, which is just dumb... dumb dumb dumb.
Too many "betrayals" at the end. It would have worked better if they played up all those betrayals for humor purposes.
However, there is lots of spectacle here, and a muuuch better put together movie than some other May movie that will not be named.
The last 20 minutes, or 30 minutes was great, and even though it is cliche, I LOOOVE big fights taking place in the rain.
Also, Davy Jones fascinates me whenever he is on screen, even if he is just talking.
Annyway... ***
_________________Setting most people on fire is wrong.Proud Founder of the "Community of Squee." 
|
Tue May 29, 2007 4:37 pm |
|
 |
MARVEL_ROCKS
Forum General
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:11 pm Posts: 8202
|
Calipso was nothing but a woman made of crabs.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 4:53 pm |
|
 |
Box
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:52 am Posts: 25990
|
Thegun wrote: The story is not confusing, it was just almost the same thing over and over. There would be a problem, they'd solve it, and them someone would back stab someone to start another problem. Even Depp seemed confused by the backstabbings, and forget he backstabbed all of them. Apart from Depp having some occasional good humor, it was almost painful. I was completely worried by the first scene when I saw almost a joke from another movie:
-Elizabeth has a lot of guns, and needs to unload them, pulling a huge one out of her ass at the end -One pirate underneath sees up a girls skirt, calls the other over, he looks up at another spot to see under a fat guy -Midget Jokes are always funny -Go ahead an kill him, he's not one of ours
Did the writers just watch action comedies from the 80s and early 90s and just take jokes they laughed hysterically at. Those two pirates made me ache every time (C3PO and R2D2 they are not) and the reason to bring back the very unfunny Brittish troops that argue are just stupid (that was great writing for Jack to steal the Chest from them)
This movie is just making me more mad now with so many people loving it.
You know what else? Indiana Jones sucks.
|
Tue May 29, 2007 6:55 pm |
|
 |
Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21889 Location: Walking around somewhere
|
 uggggggghhhhhhh Good one. I guess
_________________ Chippy wrote: As always, fuck Thegun. Chippy wrote: I want to live vicariously through you, Thegun!
|
Tue May 29, 2007 7:39 pm |
|
|
Who is online |
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 30 guests |
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|