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xiayun
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:41 pm Posts: 25109 Location: San Mateo, CA
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Korrgan wrote: Doesn't House of Flying Daggers expand this weekend?
Anyone think it'll enter the top 10 if it does expand?
It has a shot. The PTA will drop a lot, but I don't see it being lower than $2000 when it's expanding into so many new markets. Should get $3-4M.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:55 pm |
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:27 am Posts: 23283
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hmm, im not convinced. Whilst i do believe that Coach Carter will pull in good numbers i think that Friday Night Lights not only had a powerhouse of marketing, with slots strategically placed during games, but also it had a good , gritty and pretty different campaign from most sport movies. Wheras Carters trailer is far too bland right now.
$15m-20m seems reasonable, but anything further i feel may be out of reach due to weaker marketing than the other releases out right now.
Still that said the early screenings sales have been very promising.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:26 pm |
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
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Naturalflux7 wrote: hmm, im not convinced. Whilst i do believe that Coach Carter will pull in good numbers i think that Friday Night Lights not only had a powerhouse of marketing, with slots strategically placed during games, but also it had a good , gritty and pretty different campaign from most sport movies. Wheras Carters trailer is far too bland right now.
$15m-20m seems reasonable, but anything further i feel may be out of reach due to weaker marketing than the other releases out right now.
Still that said the early screenings sales have been very promising.
How has the marketing been weak? It seems like more often then not when I flip by MTV there's a Carter ad. And the review are getting better and better. They might end up better then Friday Night Lights. That was 81% fresh with an average rating of 7.1. Right now Carter's at 7.0 even, and 75% RT, but one of the "bad reviews" gave it three stars and seemed far more positive then not, which would give it 88% on RT. Or, if you want to just not count it as it could I guess somewhat go either way, that's still 85%. As said, Carter's cast is much bigger with Samuel L. Jackson (Rob Brown and Ashanti may not ring big names on WOKJ, but they're pretty bad in the urban market, ESPECIALLY Ashanti). With some damn good songs in it's soundtrack to serve as free advertiesing, I think that this could be Paramount's next Mean Girls per se.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:04 pm |
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
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man, i totally forgot that this weekend is Martin Luther King weekend. This means chances are even better for Elektra and Coach Carter.
If Coach pulls in Varisty Blues high PTA then its in for a $17m ish 3-day.
if Elektra has around $8,600 per site then thats $26.8m - for a $30m 4-day
if it has $7,600 per site then thats around $23.7m
if it has $5,300 per site [like Catwoman did on a non holiday weekend] then thats $16.6m
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:10 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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I'll be shocked if this does a Catwomen opening and total. Seriously.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:11 pm |
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Michael.
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MovieDude wrote: Naturalflux7 wrote: hmm, im not convinced. Whilst i do believe that Coach Carter will pull in good numbers i think that Friday Night Lights not only had a powerhouse of marketing, with slots strategically placed during games, but also it had a good , gritty and pretty different campaign from most sport movies. Wheras Carters trailer is far too bland right now.
$15m-20m seems reasonable, but anything further i feel may be out of reach due to weaker marketing than the other releases out right now.
Still that said the early screenings sales have been very promising. How has the marketing been weak? It seems like more often then not when I flip by MTV there's a Carter ad. And the review are getting better and better. They might end up better then Friday Night Lights. That was 81% fresh with an average rating of 7.1. Right now Carter's at 7.0 even, and 75% RT, but one of the "bad reviews" gave it three stars and seemed far more positive then not, which would give it 88% on RT. Or, if you want to just not count it as it could I guess somewhat go either way, that's still 85%. As said, Carter's cast is much bigger with Samuel L. Jackson (Rob Brown and Ashanti may not ring big names on WOKJ, but they're pretty bad in the urban market, ESPECIALLY Ashanti). With some damn good songs in it's soundtrack to serve as free advertiesing, I think that this could be Paramount's next Mean Girls per se.
And to think, you called me a Jennifer Garner fanboy. Hypocrit  I didn't say anything about the reviews. And Since when did Samuel L Jackson become a titlename puller again? Sure hes a cool, much loved actor - but hes not a huge box office superpower, and id say on stature hes equal in terms of sellability to Billy Bob Thornton despite his superior rooster.
You know you can invest as much, but if those advertisements make it look generic or bland then they have little or sometimes detrimental effect. And while i have no doubt Coach Carter will do well - the ads just didn't have the impact of "Friday Night Lights" which was successful in turning what seemed to be a tired idea into something different.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:15 pm |
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Michael.
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Zingaling wrote: I'll be shocked if this does a Catwomen opening and total. Seriously.
As will I, the buzz on imdb is "Elektra is primed to be more enduring than Daredevil and way less of a year's worst contender than Catwoman. In fact, this looks to be the strongest movie for the month of January. Director Bowan, who makes good cheese, has encircled his heroine with a satisfying cast, including Terence Stamp as Stick and Will Yun Lee as the ninja assassin Kirigi. The trailer's tight and the marketing is in full effect"
The buzz in general is that this movie is going to be WAY better than Catwoman even if its quite bad.
Also this review from IMDB from a user
"My wife and I went to the premiere of Elektra last night at the Palms in Las Vegas. The show was definitely action packed and showcased Jen Garner's strong physical and acting ability. I thought this might be just another "kung fu" type of flick but I was pleasantly surprised that there was a good story line, some romance, and (of course) plenty of action scenes that were well crafted and interesting.
The supporting case was strong and good cross section of "evil" people. We particularly liked the effect when the bad guys were defeated. The crowd that we saw the movie with definitely liked the film.
You should take a look at this one when it comes out next Friday, January 14th.
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Other early reviews from premiere "atendees" is that this is a fun action film thats generally better than expected, with good character development and action sequences.
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:18 pm |
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STEVE ROGERS
The Greatest Avenger EVER
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Libs wrote: I think everyone is underpredicting Meet the Fockers. If you check MLK weekend last year, the star-driven comedies (and other "adult" films) like Something's Gotta Give only dipped by about 25%. A drop in the same range would give Fockers about $22M.
Actually on the contrary, I think everyone is heavily underpredicting WHITE NOISE and I see this at at least #3 with Elektra at #1(Good God) Meet the Fockers at #2 and WHITE NOISE #3 with less than a 50% drop.. Most movies drop in their 2nd weekend, 50-60% and I see WHITE NOISE holding interest over Coach Carter and Elektra(Which the previews have done absolutely nothing for me).. I see WHITE NOISE Making about, Hmmm 15-17 Million next weekend.. Will see but I was right about Lemony Snickets drop in it's 2nd weekend and you all laughed so think about that??
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MovieDude
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Libs wrote: I think everyone is underpredicting Meet the Fockers. If you check MLK weekend last year, the star-driven comedies (and other "adult" films) like Something's Gotta Give only dipped by about 25%. A drop in the same range would give Fockers about $22M. Actually on the contrary, I think everyone is heavily underpredicting WHITE NOISE and I see this at at least #3 with Elektra at #1(Good God) Meet the Fockers at #2 and WHITE NOISE #3 with less than a 50% drop.. Most movies drop in their 2nd weekend, 50-60% and I see WHITE NOISE holding interest over Coach Carter and Elektra(Which the previews have done absolutely nothing for me).. I see WHITE NOISE Making about, Hmmm 15-17 Million next weekend.. Will see but I was right about Lemony Snickets drop in it's 2nd weekend and you all laughed so think about that??
A broken clock is always right twice a day. 
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MovieDude
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Libs wrote: I think everyone is underpredicting Meet the Fockers. If you check MLK weekend last year, the star-driven comedies (and other "adult" films) like Something's Gotta Give only dipped by about 25%. A drop in the same range would give Fockers about $22M. Actually on the contrary, I think everyone is heavily underpredicting WHITE NOISE and I see this at at least #3 with Elektra at #1(Good God) Meet the Fockers at #2 and WHITE NOISE #3 with less than a 50% drop.. Most movies drop in their 2nd weekend, 50-60% and I see WHITE NOISE holding interest over Coach Carter and Elektra(Which the previews have done absolutely nothing for me).. I see WHITE NOISE Making about, Hmmm 15-17 Million next weekend.. Will see but I was right about Lemony Snickets drop in it's 2nd weekend and you all laughed so think about that??
A broken clock is always right twice a day. 
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STEVE ROGERS
The Greatest Avenger EVER
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MovieDude wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Libs wrote: I think everyone is underpredicting Meet the Fockers. If you check MLK weekend last year, the star-driven comedies (and other "adult" films) like Something's Gotta Give only dipped by about 25%. A drop in the same range would give Fockers about $22M. Actually on the contrary, I think everyone is heavily underpredicting WHITE NOISE and I see this at at least #3 with Elektra at #1(Good God) Meet the Fockers at #2 and WHITE NOISE #3 with less than a 50% drop.. Most movies drop in their 2nd weekend, 50-60% and I see WHITE NOISE holding interest over Coach Carter and Elektra(Which the previews have done absolutely nothing for me).. I see WHITE NOISE Making about, Hmmm 15-17 Million next weekend.. Will see but I was right about Lemony Snickets drop in it's 2nd weekend and you all laughed so think about that?? A broken clock is always right twice a day. 
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:36 am |
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Jeff
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White Noise should drop around 45-50% this weekend, similar to last years The Forgotten.
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:21 am |
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
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White Noise has had pretty awful word of mouth - films like "The Grudge" had a substantial amount of people calling it terrifying wheras the verdict on White Noise is quite the opposite.
But it is a holiday frame so.....
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:12 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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I'll do the TOP 5 for now...
1. Elektra - $22.9 million
2. Meet the Fockers - $20.3 milion
3. Coach Carter - $16.7 million
4. Racing Stripes - $16.2 million
5. White Noise - $13.9 million
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:13 pm |
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Jeff
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Top 5
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1. Elektra: $26.5 million
2. Meet the Fockers -- $17.8 million
3. Racing Stripes -- $17.0 million
4. Coach Carter -- $13.5 million
5. White Noise -- $13.0 million
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:16 pm |
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misterglass
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Actually, I saw Elektra myself, and it's not nearly as bad as Catwoman (which was painful to watch). Sure, there are some cheesy moments and dialogue, but to me, it looks like a "Smallville" version of the character with that type of WB story and writing and actually, the effects and action really weren't that bad. I actually enjoyed it enough that I would see it again if given the opportunity. Better than Daredevil and Blade: Trinity, MUCH better than Catwoman and The Punisher and Hulk, but not quite up there with Spider-Man 2 or X2.
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:04 pm |
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Michael.
No Wire Tampons!
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great  Another good crowd reaction report. The responses from those who claim to have attended the premiere screenings at Palms say it exceeded their expectations
Damnit, theyve moved it back to 21st January in the UK, meaning i have to wait longer 
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:51 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
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Most reactions so far seem to be the same. It's a good superhero movie (better than Catwoman) but not the best.
This looks good for Elektra. \:D/
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:59 pm |
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GCC
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Carter - $26m
Fockers - $12m
Elektra - $14m
Company - $12m
Stripes - $11m
Noise - $9m
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:30 pm |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
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Based on the generally lukewarm... okay, on the terrible reception Elektra seems to be getting, I think it will be based SOLELY on Jennifer Garner to carry this. If she's not a certified star (like I would hope she is), it will probably succumb to Fockers or one of the new releases.
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:46 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
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Terrible reception? I only see the terrible reception on this site. The general public is soon to be determined.

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Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:54 pm |
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El Maskado
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No matter what Elekatra's opening weekend is, it is bound to drop more than 63% next week. Im going as high as 67% \:D/
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:28 pm |
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torrino
College Boy T
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:52 pm Posts: 16020
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Well...
the higher it opens, the more it'll drop. That is, assuming the lowest it'll go is $15m. If it ONLY opens to, say, $10m, it's bound to drop more since theatres will drop its screen count. Also, such a low opening will illustrate a lack of interest on the audience's part...
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:31 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
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El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: No matter what Elekatra's opening weekend is, it is bound to drop more than 63% next week. Im going as high as 67% \:D/
Why would Elektra drop over 63% when Catwoman dropped that much and was the most trashed movie of the year?
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:32 pm |
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Libs
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Zingaling wrote: El_masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: No matter what Elekatra's opening weekend is, it is bound to drop more than 63% next week. Im going as high as 67% \:D/ Why would Elektra drop over 63% when Catwoman dropped that much and was the most trashed movie of the year?
While I don't think Elektra will decline by 63%, it will be coming off a holiday weekend. That won't help it much.
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:36 pm |
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