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Pirates has to beat SM3 by about 50 million to overtake it in total Franchise gross. I think it can do it!

I'll go with $131M 3 day - $160M 4 day - $390M total.


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:roll: what a surprise.


Really, are you going to cry when spidey is blasted into cannon fodder??

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The closer this comes, the more I think it will be the lowest out of the May films. It just is in the worst possible situation: It's coming off of just decent WOM while SM and Shrek are coming off of great WOM, its the last May film, it's marketing is not as good as either Shrek or Spider-man, and its going to be 2hr 45min(I think many aren't going ot like it cause of its length).

OW: 127m
OW(4-day): 158m

Total: 348m

I think theres a good chance POTC3 will fall under 350m. Disney will regret releasing this on Memorial Day. They should have staked out a July spot much earlier when they had the chance.


You're a bloody nutcase.

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The fanboy bicker about movies that aren't really worth it is amusing. :)

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Magnus wrote:
The closer this comes, the more I think it will be the lowest out of the May films. It just is in the worst possible situation: It's coming off of just decent WOM while SM and Shrek are coming off of great WOM, its the last May film, it's marketing is not as good as either Shrek or Spider-man, and its going to be 2hr 45min(I think many aren't going ot like it cause of its length).

OW: 127m
OW(4-day): 158m

Total: 348m

I think theres a good chance POTC3 will fall under 350m. Disney will regret releasing this on Memorial Day. They should have staked out a July spot much earlier when they had the chance.

I know more people who liked Pirates 2, more than Shrek 2. I think all these will be close enough that anything could happen but Shrek 2 didn't have great WOM.


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Magnus wrote:
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I know more people who liked Pirates 2, more than Shrek 2. I think all these will be close enough that anything could happen but Shrek 2 didn't have great WOM.


Personally, yes I know more people who liked POTC2 better than Shrek 2 but Shrek 2 had great WOM with families/kids.

And what I don't think is good for POTC3 is that its so close to POTC2. People I feel aren't really ready to be excited about another Pirates compared to SM or Shrek, which were three years ago. It hasn't even been a full year since POTC2 came out. Even with its WOM, I feel if POTC3 was released it a year or two later, people would be more excited to see it. Now, some may bring LOTR as an example but the reasons why those films increased from each other is that the quality of film went up from each one. POTC2 quality was significnalt lower than POTC1, and people noticed that. I know many people who aren't planning on seeing POTC3 in theaters because of their dissapointment with POTC2.


Insanity.

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3day-103
4-day-127
total-290

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Excel: Special Edition wrote:
3day-103
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You can't be serious.

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Shouldn't being the last May film help it? It has two free weeks after it opens (Compared to the one for Spidey and zero for Shrek), and the opening weekend just happens to be the biggest movie-going weekend of the year. Oh, and the trailer was kinda kickass with some somewhat awesome money shots (Can anyone really disagree that Jack and Davey fighting is probably the best money shot of the May threequels?).

This is definitely doing well.

Opening: $132.9M ($158.5M 4-day)
Total: $388.4M (2.92)


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OD: $52 Million
Saturday: $40 Million -23.08%
Sunday: $35 Million -12.50%
Monday: $30.5 Million -12.86%
3-Day OW: $127 Million ($31,750 PTA from 4,000 theaters)
4-Day OW: $157.5 Million ($39,375 PTA from 4,000 theaters)

Second Weekend: $56 Million -55.91%
Third Weekend: $30 Million 46.43%

Domestic Total: $400 Million
International Total: $610 Million
Worldwide Total: $1.01 Billion :happy:


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Wait, you're saying families will pass over Pirates 3 on its opening weekend, opting for Shrek 3 in its second, then you go and say that families too rush out opening weekend?

Here's a radical idea: Families are going to rush out to see Shrek the Third in its first weekend, so then they can see Pirates 3 in its first weekend. Ice Age 2 and Cars showed that an animated film can be frontloaded if it has a "fanbase" of sorts, and Shrek 3 has that.

And I don't see any of the movies being released in the two weeks after Pirates opens passing $70M, so there's my opinion on "competition" early on.

It could certainly be very frontloaded (X3 is the only major film with a fanbase to have opened over the weekend since MI-3), but I'll with simply mediocre legs for now.


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The film is going to be massivley frontloaded. It's the third film in a franchise and its being released on Memorial Day. I don't expect a 4-day multiplier to be higher than 2.25.

And it faces a wide-range of competition, which will hurt it. On its 2nd weekend, it faces Knocked Up/Mr. Brooks, which will take away its older demographs. The problem though is that teens will have rusehd out on OW to see it, and families will rather go see Shrek over Pirates. Plus, many families rush out on OW as well to see it. Plus, even if it didn't face any competition on this weekend, it would still drop like crazy cause its post-Memorial Day. On its third weekend, it faces three movies that combined spread over a wide demographs. Hostel/O13 combined take away teens/adults, and Surfs Up takes away families. The three movies combined will make over 75m+ of direct competition. It faces F42 on fourth weekend, which takes basically all of its demograph.

Plus, I really don't expect WOM to be that good on this one. It may be better than POTC2, but most people want this to be near POTC1 quality, and it doesn't look like that. ITs long run-time also isn't a good sign. It's never good to be over 2hrs and 45m


X-Men 3 didn't have the same family appeal (DISNEY) that this has. I don't think Knocked Up/Mr. Brooks will make more than 40 million combined, and all three of the releases the next weekend could also bomb. They may make 75 million combined, or they could make 50 million. The supposedly "weak" WOM for the second film didn't stop it from having strong legs for a sequel, and many people said that was because of no competition for so long. I think the same situation applies here. And I don't think people are all expecting this to be the best of the three, although if you're predicting based on hunches of WOM, I'd guess everyone will say it's better than the second thanks to being an ending, not a middle section without a conclusion. Long running times hurt movies that people are on the fence about (Alexander, Grindhouse), NOT films that are already considered events.


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Magnus wrote:
The runntime I think won't necceasily "scare" people away but could be a sign that people may not like the movie just because its so long. Yes, people are that impatient. Many don't like movies, espically blockbusters, that are over 2hrs and 45min.

And while we all nitpick over POTC3, keep in mind that I think the film will probably do around 350m, and could have a shot at 375m if it actually gets great WOM(though I don't think it will). The film is still going to be uber-huge. Just won't be the biggest out of the big three.


400m+ foo :tongue:

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125/155/375

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My 3-year-old nephew just the other day sat and watched the entirety of Dead Man's Chest, with no breaks. The moment it began, he was glued to the TV; you could even say his name, and his eyes would remain on the movie.

So, obviously, length doesn't always matter... For Critter (my nephew's nickname), the more Jack Sparrow, the better.

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Im going really high with this.

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Hmm. With Spidey and Shrek hype getting into full gear, I think AWE may come out losing here, specially if it doesn't deliver the goods. Should be the best Memorial Day weekend ever in terms of boxoffice though.


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AWE is the most hyped, just you don't see executives going nuts releasing thousands of ads everyday that annoy the hell out of me.

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AWE is the most hyped, just you don't see executives going nuts releasing thousands of ads everyday that annoy the hell out of me.


Everything in that statement is false.


Ok, then I say everything in your statement is false, wow you are good at debate, teach me your ways please!

Meanwhile I think I am going to stikc by polls that state AWE is the most anticipated film. Is using stats a bad way to argue, I just want to ask the greatest debater alive if using polls is a good thing? Or should I make claims without any data to support me? Like you? Because we all know how great you are, you can just claim somthing is flase, and wow sure enough you are right.

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Spider-Man 3 is obviously the most hyped, and Shrek nor Pirates will get the level of hypness (hehe) that Spider-Man 3 has recieved. But I don't think it's a bad thing for Shrek or Pirates though. We have seen a hell of a lot of Spider-Man 3 already unfortunatly. Even Venom! They shouldn't have shown him yet >.<. It's quite possible it has gotten too much marketing, and the hype will fall flat after it's opening weekend.

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Spider-Man 3 is obviously the most hyped, and Shrek nor Pirates will get the level of hypness (hehe) that Spider-Man 3 has recieved. But I don't think it's a bad thing for Shrek or Pirates though. We have seen a hell of a lot of Spider-Man 3 already unfortunatly. Even Venom! They shouldn't have shown him yet >.<. It's quite possible it has gotten too much marketing, and the hype will fall flat after it's opening weekend.


Yeah, a whole trailer a year beforehand, and two more full trailers since then... That's like six or seven of the best moments of the movie that we've already seen. I'm sure Spider-Man 3 will have a record breaking opening but I'm glad that not every studio markets their blockbusters like that.


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Just because your movie has the most commercials, doesn't mean people want to see it.

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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
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AWE is the most hyped, just you don't see executives going nuts releasing thousands of ads everyday that annoy the hell out of me.


Everything in that statement is false.


Ok, then I say everything in your statement is false, wow you are good at debate, teach me your ways please!

Meanwhile I think I am going to stikc by polls that state AWE is the most anticipated film. Is using stats a bad way to argue, I just want to ask the greatest debater alive if using polls is a good thing? Or should I make claims without any data to support me? Like you? Because we all know how great you are, you can just claim somthing is flase, and wow sure enough you are right.


We have learned in recent years that the internet(that's where I assume you get these "polls") is not a place to look for hype.

Oh, and I'm sure if there were tons of Pirates ads like we have for Spider-Man, they wouldn't annoy you at all.


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Pff, course not silly man

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Oh, Knocked Up is going to knock Pirates down! Yeah for Magnus and logic!

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