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Well, we're now getting reports from California, Scotland, and other areas that the theatrical posters (apparently the foggy-themed posters AICN posted are indeed the theatrical images) are now showing up in theaters.

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Dancing With The Stars is actually a good choice to premeire it on. That show gets mad females, and so does Pirates.

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Magnus wrote:
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POTC3 has more chance of getting below 250m than getting above 500m.

That's not saying anything, sir.


I know. I just wanted BJ to know how crazy is prediction is.


my prediction displays much sanity :biggrin:

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PIRATES 3 TRAILER DESCRIPTION!!!!
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We're coming up out of the ocean. A ship sails through the mist. There's a waterfall and we pull back to see that it pours into the void. A ship hangs off of the edge.

Tia Dalma's voice is heard: "Would you brave the weird, and haunted shores, at World's End, to fetch back wicked Jack and his precious Pearl?"

Elizabeth and Will; desert landscape - Jack enters shot! A creature scuttles up onto his shoulder. He has a little panic and tries to shake the creature off.

We see TiaDalma looking scared. Will turns around, sword at the ready. Elizabeth turns around to. Something explodes behind Jack!

Jack and another chap struggle trying to tip a boat.

Now we cut to Jack onboard a big ship. He says: Did no one come to save me just because they missed me? Cut to Jack the Monkey

Beckett is on a glorious great ship, saying "Things have changed". He goes on in another shot, this time in his office: "The East India trading Company now governs the seas."

Our first look at Davy Jones. Pirates are being rounded up and shackled.

The skull and crossbones flaps in the wind, aflame. A pirate ship has been set alight.

Beckett declares "The age of piracy is at an end!"

Swann calls out "Elizabeth!"

A long shot ships. Too many to count. Epic looking shot.

Jack, Sao Feng and Barbossa stand together amidst a huge group. Barbossa says "Theres not been a gathering like this in our lifetime". Thousands of pirates have grouped together, around an arena. In the middle are four little people - Jack seems to be amongst them.

JACK says "And I owe them all nothing"

See battles. The Kraken rips a ship apart. Will, Jack and Elizabeth stand together, swords drawn. That huge epic shot of ships again. This time, there's many more ships coming in the opposite direction - the mother of all battles between the East India Trading Company and the amassed pirates.

Davy and Jack have a duel in the rain.

Caption: WALT DISNEY PICTURES PRESENTS

Will makes to strangle Beckett.

Ships are sucked into a whirlpool in a thunderstorm.

Close up of Elizabeth and Will's hands. She pleads "Don't leave me".

Tia Dalma appears to be controlling the storm, using magic.

Davy Jones scurries up a mast, very quickly. Jack and Barbossa draw swords for battle. Jack says "I never thought I'd see the day"

Caption: FROM PRODUCER JERRY BRUCKHEIMER AND GORE VERBINSKI

A magical human shape appearing in the stormy skies. Cut to Will falling through a ruined deck.

Elizabeth is dressed in Eastern garb. A sword is thrown into the air. Davy Jones is mourning. Explosions in an Eastern street. Jack and Elizabeth get ready to leap somewhere.

Finally, the titlecard appears: PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN:AT WORLDS END

Cut to Norrington, saying "You're mad". Jack replies "Of course I am. This wouldnt work if I wasnt". he's getting ready to light a big cannon.

[Cut to black]


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No way in hell it gets less then 350m.

142m/410m


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Magnus wrote:
POTC3 will do 300m+ because of the fanbase. However, I don't think it will do above 350m because it really won't be able to branch out ot the public like POTC2 did with such heavy competiton and little hype so far.

It takes time to hype up a movie. It just doesn't magically happend in two months.


Austin Powers Goldmember didn't even had a trailer or a title at this point (it had one crappy teaser released, but then pulled). All the hype and marketing came in the final month and the movie did great. Hype and buzz don't take more then a couple weeks to build and nothing before that matters. Everyone will know that POTC 3 is coming out on the day of release. Hell, POTC 2 didn't really have much real-world or internet hype until the final 4 days before release. The movie sold everything out, but didn't start doing so until the hours before the showtimes. Some people will wait for 300 or Snakes on a Plane for months, but most of the audience just decides to see it at the end. This is one smart thing Lions Gate does. They don't waste money on early advertising and so tracking tends to underestimate their movies.

Honestly I think they could go with no advertising until the Monday before release and get the same numbers. Tracking would underestimate it, but that happens often anyway.

Endless hype built months in advance: Godzilla and Hulk
No hype until the very end: Goldmember


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DP07 wrote:
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POTC3 will do 300m+ because of the fanbase. However, I don't think it will do above 350m because it really won't be able to branch out ot the public like POTC2 did with such heavy competiton and little hype so far.

It takes time to hype up a movie. It just doesn't magically happend in two months.


Austin Powers Goldmember didn't even had a trailer or a title at this point (it had one crappy teaser released, but then pulled). All the hype and marketing came in the final month and the movie did great. Hype and buzz don't take more then a couple weeks to build and nothing before that matters. Everyone will know that POTC 3 is coming out on the day of release. Hell, POTC 2 didn't really have much real-world or internet hype until the final 4 days before release. The movie sold everything out, but didn't start doing so until the hours before the showtimes. Some people will wait for 300 or Snakes on a Plane for months, but most of the audience just decides to see it at the end. This is one smart thing Lions Gate does. They don't waste money on early advertising and so tracking tends to underestimate their movies.

Honestly I think they could go with no advertising until the Monday before release and get the same numbers. Tracking would underestimate it, but that happens often anyway.

Endless hype built months in advance: Godzilla and Hulk
No hype until the very end: Goldmember



All Pirates3 needs is its trailer in front of SpiderMan3 and Shrek3.... :shades:


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As close as I am to the mark, I agree with DP. I'm even beginning to reconsider my prediction that this won't top SM2. I mean, the film is opening on the biggest weekend of the year, and it has 2 free weeks following it with only mini-blockbusters (Ocean's 13 is it, really).

Opening: $132.0M ($155.2M 4-day)
Total: 362.7 (2.75)


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Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End

Opening Day: 60.99m
2nd Day: 54.89m -10%
Opening Wknd: 165.97m - Fri: 60.99m / Sat: 54.89m -10% / Sun: 50.09m -8%
4-Day-Wknd: 206.03m - Mon: 40.06m -20%
5-Day: 218.84m - Tue: 12.81m -68%
6-Day: 229.73m - Wed: 10.89m -14%
Opening Wk: 240.68m - Thur: 10.95m +.5%
2nd Wknd: 80.00m -51.5% - Fri: 21.95m +100% / Sat: 36.25m +65% / Sun: 21.80m -40%
11-Day: 327.63m - Mon: 6.94m -68%
12-Day: 334.44m - Tue: 6.81m -2%
13-Day: 340.08m - Wed: 5.64m -16%
2nd Wk: 346.08m - Thur: 6.00m +5%
3rd Wknd: 40.00m -50% - Fri: 12.00m +100% / Sat: 16.95m +45% / Sun: 11.05m -34%
Wk-1: 240.68m - Wknd: 165.97m - 4-Day-Wknd: 206.03m | Total: 240.68m
Wk-2: 105.40m - Wknd: 80.00m | Total: 346.08m
Wk-3: 54.00m - Wknd: 40.00m | Total: 400.08m
Wk-4: 29.95m - Wknd: 21.45m | Total: 430.03m
Wk-5: 20.96m - Wknd: 14.29m | Total: 450.99m
Wk-6: 18.20m - Wknd: 10.64m | Total: 469.19m
Wk-7: 12.19m - Wknd: 8.01m | Total: 481.38m
Wk-8: 6.17m - Wknd: 4.00m | Total: 487.55m
Wk-9: 4.05m - Wknd: 2.60m | Total: 491.60m
Wk-10: 2.97m - Wknd: 2.00m | Total: 494.57m
Wk-11: 2.18m - Wknd: 1.40m | Total: 496.75m
Wk-12: 1.57m - Wknd: 1.00m | Total: 498.32m
Wk-13: 1.20m - Wknd: .80m | Total: 499.52m
Wk-14: .86m - Wknd: .65m | Total: 500.38m
Wk-15: 1.80m - Wknd: 1.20m - 4-Day-Wknd: 1.60m | Total: 502.18m
Wk-16: 1.00m - Wknd: .69m | Total: 503.18m
Wk-17: .85m - Wknd: .65m | Total: 504.03m
Wk-18: .59m - Wknd: .46m | Total: 504.62m
Wk-19: .38m - Wknd: .29m | Total: 505.00m
Wk-20: .26m - Wknd: .21m | Total: 505.26m
Wk-21: .20m - Wknd: .16m | Total: 505.46m
Money Made After Wk-20: ~.5m
Estimated Wks in theaters: 29
Days to 50m: 1-Days - 60.99m
Days to 100m: 2-Days - 115.88m
Days to 150m: 3-Days - 165.97m
Days to 200m: 4-Days - 206.03m
Days to 250m: 8-Days - 262.63m
Days to 300m: 10-Days - 320.68m
Days to 350m: 15-Days - 358.08m
Days to 400m: 21-Days - 400.08m
Days to 450m: 35-Days - 450.99m
Days to 500m: 94-Days - 500.17m
Domestic Total: 506m
International Total: 694m
World Wide Total: 1,200b

Multiplyer: 3.04

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hmmmmm, thinking of lowering prediction to 450m range.

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OMG!!! BJ wants to lower his prediction!!! It's time to enter the under 300 milion club ;) :tongue:


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DP07 wrote:
No way in hell it gets less then 350m.

142m/410m


This prediction looks pretty good to me actually. I think it all depends on Shrek 3. If Shrek 3 under performs, AWE doesn't really have any competition for weeks. If Shrek 3 really underperforms I could see it going as high as 425-430. But if Shrek 3 really breaks out it could go as low as 370.

Good job on the prediction of DMC by the way. I know it's a little late haha.

"It's a lock for a 100m opening if it is a 3 day. No doubt about that in my mind. Like Shrek, Meet the Parents and The Bourne Identity, the original had great WOM. In fact, the wom was arguably better then any of those. The fanbase has greatly expanded on DVD. The demographic appeal is so wide that I think it will be the blockbuster of 2006. I think it will top 60m on opening day considering that it's the summer. Also, based on the past, weekend records are always shattered every few years, and clearly Spiderman's record is increasingly vulnerable by this point. This movie should easily reset the record books.

155m/430m"


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Pirates' opening day is not going to be overwhelming, not only will Shrek and Spidey be on the block, it's memorial day weekend. it'll be big, just not as big as you guys are stating.


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Saw the trailer during Dancing with the Stars in Australia,

It looked epic and there seems to be more scope in terms of character, battles and landscapes...which is a good thing....cue ROTK.

Looks more impressive than Dead Man's Chest.

$300m is a lock, $350-$400m likely, $400m+ possible.

If Shrek 3 fails to attrach, Pirated 3 could well be the biggest movie of 2007.

It's the strongest out of the 3 Internationally and only Harry Potter 5 has the poetntial to match it overseas.

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it looks more epic, so it will draw in the fanbase and regular fans big time.

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Magnus you know little about marketing and how hype plays. Hype is something that comes and dies. It is just that simple. I comes quickly and dies quickly and is hard to maintain, I don't know why you can't see that. Plus people don't know when about films until right before it comes out. Hell I asked someone in math today and he thought Spiderman three was coming out next week, and this guy ain't no idiot. Spiderman is doing a horrible thing in over playing its advetisement, it is showing too much which will do one of few things, one it will make some average movie goers get sick of the film, two it will releave some of the shock value making it less spectacular because people will know too much, and last it will build too sterdy of expectations if they try to shock people, hurting its legs if the shock is done wrong, if their is a shock at all.

As for Shrek, its trailer just sucked, well it was ok, but comapared to recent trailers it did suck.

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Magnus you know little about marketing and how hype plays. Hype is something that comes and dies. It is just that simple. I comes quickly and dies quickly and is hard to maintain, I don't know why you can't see that. Plus people don't know when about films until right before it comes out. Hell I asked someone in math today and he thought Spiderman three was coming out next week, and this guy ain't no idiot. Spiderman is doing a horrible thing in over playing its advetisement, it is showing too much which will do one of few things, one it will make some average movie goers get sick of the film, two it will releave some of the shock value making it less spectacular because people will know too much, and last it will build too sterdy of expectations if they try to shock people, hurting its legs if the shock is done wrong, if their is a shock at all.

As for Shrek, its trailer just sucked, well it was ok, but compared to recent trailers it did suck.


Magnus is on the right track, they are attaching the Pirates trailer to a measly movie like MTR just to try to jack up MTR opening.But when you think a trailer so late and such a big event to have its trailer premiere to a movie that would barely open to 20 million is such a waste. Its like the opposite of SM3 bombardment campaign except at least SM3 had a better trailer. Im beginning to think Shrek 3 will win out against the overhyped capaign of SM3 and underadvertisement of POTC


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Well, technically the trailer premiered during Dancing with the Stars Monday, which was watched by 21.6 million viewers, a large chunk of which is families.

Just sayin'.


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My first stab at a prediction:

123/390


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El_Masked_fuerte_grande wrote:

Magnus is on the right track, they are attaching the Pirates trailer to a measly movie like MTR just to try to jack up MTR opening.But when you think a trailer so late and such a big event to have its trailer premiere to a movie that would barely open to 20 million is such a waste. Its like the opposite of SM3 bombardment campaign except at least SM3 had a better trailer. Im beginning to think Shrek 3 will win out against the overhyped capaign of SM3 and underadvertisement of POTC


The general public doesn't make plans about which movie to watch months in advance. A franchise as big as the POTC does not need the marketing blitz that an unknown movie like 300 did. At the end of the day, the public will go the movie that they think looks the best. Honestly there was rather little marketing for DMC until the very end. Sure there may have been a lot of interest on the internet, but the general public I'm sure didn't know the movie was coming out in July during March or April.


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Speevy wrote:
El_Masked_fuerte_grande wrote:

Magnus is on the right track, they are attaching the Pirates trailer to a measly movie like MTR just to try to jack up MTR opening.But when you think a trailer so late and such a big event to have its trailer premiere to a movie that would barely open to 20 million is such a waste. Its like the opposite of SM3 bombardment campaign except at least SM3 had a better trailer. Im beginning to think Shrek 3 will win out against the overhyped capaign of SM3 and underadvertisement of POTC


The general public doesn't make plans about which movie to watch months in advance. A franchise as big as the POTC does not need the marketing blitz that an unknown movie like 300 did. At the end of the day, the public will go the movie that they think looks the best. Honestly there was rather little marketing for DMC until the very end. Sure there may have been a lot of interest on the internet, but the general public I'm sure didn't know the movie was coming out in July during March or April.

Precisely. POTC3's marketing is already far more intense than for DMC. DMC was not marketed at full volume until the last 24 hours before release, on Youtube.


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As I see it, Disney's lack of marketing for AWE is becuase of two reasons, firstly, to create distance between it and DMC which came out on DVD just 3 months ago. And second and most important, becuase quite frankly they don't need to. DMC has created alot of the hype and anticipation for AWE already thanks to the cliff hanger ending which isn't really much of one but whatever. A $400+mil movie is a better trailer for AWE (and let's face it, that's all DMC was) then any trailer Disney could come up from here on in.

All Disney need to do right now is tell people when it's opening, and bingo they're show up in droves. Out of the big three Disney was always in the best position from a marketing standpoint, as they had released a movie just a year ago which is still fresh in peoples minds.


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As I see it, Disney's lack of marketing for AWE is becuase of two reasons, firstly, to create distance between it and DMC which came out on DVD just 3 months ago. And second and most important, becuase quite frankly they don't need to. DMC has created alot of the hype and anticipation for AWE already thanks to the cliff hanger ending which isn't really much of one but whatever. A $400+mil movie is a better trailer for AWE (and let's face it, that's all DMC was) then any trailer Disney could come up from here on in.

All Disney need to do right now is tell people when it's opening, and bingo they're show up in droves. Out of the big three Disney was always in the best position from a marketing standpoint, as they had released a movie just a year ago which is still fresh in peoples minds.


That doesn't make sense. Why would they want to distance themselves from a 400 million grosser with good WOM?


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Speevy wrote:
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As I see it, Disney's lack of marketing for AWE is becuase of two reasons, firstly, to create distance between it and DMC which came out on DVD just 3 months ago. And second and most important, becuase quite frankly they don't need to. DMC has created alot of the hype and anticipation for AWE already thanks to the cliff hanger ending which isn't really much of one but whatever. A $400+mil movie is a better trailer for AWE (and let's face it, that's all DMC was) then any trailer Disney could come up from here on in.

All Disney need to do right now is tell people when it's opening, and bingo they're show up in droves. Out of the big three Disney was always in the best position from a marketing standpoint, as they had released a movie just a year ago which is still fresh in peoples minds.


That doesn't make sense. Why would they want to distance themselves from a 400 million grosser with good WOM?


To prevent hype fatigue. Not distance as in "disassociate" but to provide the audience with some breathing room in between installments.


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Jiffy208 wrote:
Speevy wrote:
LostSoulz wrote:
As I see it, Disney's lack of marketing for AWE is becuase of two reasons, firstly, to create distance between it and DMC which came out on DVD just 3 months ago. And second and most important, becuase quite frankly they don't need to. DMC has created alot of the hype and anticipation for AWE already thanks to the cliff hanger ending which isn't really much of one but whatever. A $400+mil movie is a better trailer for AWE (and let's face it, that's all DMC was) then any trailer Disney could come up from here on in.

All Disney need to do right now is tell people when it's opening, and bingo they're show up in droves. Out of the big three Disney was always in the best position from a marketing standpoint, as they had released a movie just a year ago which is still fresh in peoples minds.


That doesn't make sense. Why would they want to distance themselves from a 400 million grosser with good WOM?


To prevent hype fatigue. Not distance as in "disassociate" but to provide the audience with some breathing room in between installments.


That makes a lot more sense. Makes sense too. I wouldn't be surprised if the marketing blitz doesn't truly start as late as when Spiderman 3 comes out.


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