Yeah, that's what I agree with. That it has nothing to do with Children of Men talking, and that your opinion shouldn't carry more weight than anyone else's, which is why its unfair to you that I treat it as such. Thats why I came clean in this thread that it was about a longer history, which I felt we have both been avoiding. For me, part of that had been your incessant public suggstions that I would sleep with you randomly (which are demeaning to me) even though I asked you to stop saying that a long time ago. And I don't think me saying I dislike you is anything but an opinion as well. I'm not meaning it as a snide remark, only to explain why I'm lashing out against you, and that, as you said, it has nothing to do with Children of Men.

That happened. Its just a movie, I have my own reasons for taking it down that people will either believe or they won't (and most won't), but that's alright.



I had reasons for removing the article. They may not have been good reasons, :-) but they were reasons none-the-less. And, I'll take this moment to apologize, anyways, for how rough I was when I stopped submitting half a year ago. I tried to make it up a day or two later, but I realize it wasn't the same afterwards just chatting in the forums, even though I'd stopped submitting reviews long since (only did Volver in the past three months). Ah well, I tried to cover it up, but it built up inside of me on my end, hence this thread now. I didn't handle it well, and tried to make up for it afterwards, and I'll try to do so again this time.

Jesus what a mess this has become. this is the problem with net disagreements, they can snowball far to easily at least in real life you can have a good old shouting match and be done with it.

Thats no reason to move away. I barely ever agree with you on things but I'm quite indifferent to people's opinions to begin with and the constant nagging you keep mentioning .. well ... I'm willing to be quite blunt and let you know when I can't handle things ...

I enjoy talking to you ... I keep a distance mainly because people don't interest me much .. you do.

Hence don't you move away from me. Otherwise I'll be forced to hit someone and right now, the palm of my hand is targetting Xiayun. And we all know Xiayun doesn't a slap on his face. Can you live with that Galia? Can you!?!?

I just ventured in and saw my name popped up on the last line.

Hmmm, don't bring Roo into this. We already spoke with eachother and I hope made up, and it doesn't have anything to do with this. Or, it does, but only in that both Loyal and Roo (you as well) are people that I've put extra pressure on, and probably shouldn't have. I had different expectation of maybe ten people here perhaps because I thought we were closer than typical chat forumers, or because we had for awhile worked on a common project (the site), even if we no longer do, etc. I should realize that what I perceive as closeness or commonality may not be what other people do, and I shouldn't have more expectation, based on my perception alone, of how we should interact. If a random seventeen year old can say something to me and I let it roll off my back, than probably I should do the same with those select ten people, too, or its not fair to them.



I didn't say move away. I said maintain my distance, like you do. Probably you get alot of random and/or mean things tossed your way here, and you don't necessarily throw each thing out of proportion just because its coming from someone you might know. You have a way of getting away from that, and remaining aloof. And please don't hit Xia, he's one of the ten people too. I would feel bad. :-(



Its funny you should say that, and since I'm in a reveal-all mood tonight I picked up on how you said 'academic' and reviews in the same sentences. I think its different to post on the main site than in the forums. If people here really want me to put the article up in the forums, I'll be more than happy to. But I'm right now in the middle of university applications/selection process, to very small departments that really do look into your apps. Part of me is paranoid about how google-available everything I've written for the main site (not the forums) is. Especially since I'm not going into anything film related, and not applying to departments that necessarily respect something like a fun stint doing movie reviews for a random website. In fact, I get the distinct feeling (its probably my paranoia) that they would look down on it. For the past half year, that's been a 'con' to putting anything up online (rather than in the forums) but the pros usually have outweighed it. In this case, the cons tipped the scale, and I just thought to myself "This isn't really worth it if no one is having fun, and you're too paranoid about your online presence." So I took it down.

And yes, I'm sure you'll find many people here on the forums that have alot of fun reviewing films, and even some who are planning to try to persue it professionally. They would be psyched to offer up what they think, and it may even be to their advantage considering the fields they are going into. I think I remember awhile back someone in the cooler even saying they decided they wanted to do something movie related as a career. That would be a great selection for someone to contribute to the main site, and it would even help them achieve their career ambitions, imo.

You're not speaking for most of the site. In my opinion, you're speaking for everyone. i don't know about anything that went on between Dolce and Loyal, or Dolce and bABArino, but I think you would be hardpressed to find anyone that doesn't like Dolce. She's a great poster, and that's why I didn't mind trying to help at last year's International Film Festival. Mind you, I didn't do very much. But, what I did do for the festival, I would not have done for very many people on the internet.

As for calling her a "bitch" (and other bad names)... that's just wrong.

But, I also agree that Dolce needs to be able to take criticism with writing (albeit constructive criticism, not name-calling criticism). I am trying hard to write different stuff (from short stories to non-fiction involving TV), and I know I need the criticism when I get it.

Huh! Surely people you apply to jobs for don't look for you online? If they do they deserve a slap.

I value all members here equally. To me Dolce is just as important to me redspear or maguire.

cept those that i don't like at all. They can get lost. LOOOST I SAY!!

Well, I have a personal website listed on my applications with my whole BA thesis and all my paintings on it, so its only a hop-skip-and jump away from a google search. To be frank, I have no idea what they look for in these departments when they only take ten-twelve people from thousands of applications, from all around the world, and of those 10 positions only one or two are in your region/era of expertise...hence the chronic anxiety. Above that, I wouldn't say the grad school I'm at now has a particularly stellar reputation, and my gpa as an undergrad wasn't anything to really write home about...hence even more anxiety.

Well, it's nice to see you seem to have figured something out, dolce.

What, I'm honestly not quite sure*, but it sounds very righteous.

* I think this line sums it up, though: "If a random seventeen year old can say something to me and I let it roll off my back, than probably I should do the same with those select ten people, too, or its not fair to them." If so, that's good. :up:

Now I feel like I need to spend a few hours on a grand review of Blow Up to make dolce feel better.

:-(

I don't like friction. I'm an idealist. Can't everyone be happy?

I didn't mean to "bring Roo" in, in fact I wasn't quite sure who it was that started the name calling and I'm sure that has all been resolved, just using it as an example of good ways to debate without transcending into arguments and name-calling.

I've said it before, I love your reviews, and I love talking to you. For crying out loud how many PMs have we exchanged? 100? 150 probably? I don't do that with just any person on here. But anyway, I guess we don't need to sit here and butter you up with how much we all love you.

I must be out of the loop. Outside of box office games, I haven't sent more than 3 PMs to one person, as a conversation.

I thought we were keeping those convos a secret.

Reading all of this angst, all's I can say is: Hooray for KJ!!!

The beauty of Internet forums like WOKJ, is that they allow us to work out our insecurities/immaturities in a safe environment.

Why not be a drama queen? Why not throw a hissy fit? I know I have...

WOKJ is a great place to play out some of the emotional roles we act out in TRW. Isn't it better to have our weak spots exposed in an all-out battle royale over some esoteric opinion about a movie, rather than in the midst of a serious relationship with our partners or friends? Wouldn't you rather fly off the handle and leave a message board while discussing the finer points of a Stanley Kubrick film, rather than impetuously quitting your job one day?

So once again I say: Hooray for KJ!!!

oh shut up and kiss a donkey.

i have your post a -6/-7

Whatever you say Commander...

don't be silly. horses don't wear red caps