The topic says it all. Voice your opinions, your rants and raves here. Have an issue with a member or members and want it out in the open? Say it here. Want to discuss a change or feeling you have about something in the forum? Do it here. Maybe you want the opinions of others before you bring it up to the site owners? I ask that you keep it clean and on an adult level.




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I've been chatting with some various members about the site, the forum community in general. I feel there's a longing for something more. A tightness between more if not all members. I'm gonna go old school on you so please bare with me.... Its been over 4 years that I've been coming to different movie forums, only 2 have kept me coming back. It started with Mojo and only this site. Honestly I feel it ended with Mojo. The summer on 02 was a special one. With Spiderman and AOTC going head to head there was a lot to talk about. A fresh community was being built there and friends being made.... There in lies the problem here for me. As I recall this site was created for a little more open friendly environment that was once had at Mojo. I've never felt that here. Is that my fault? Should I or could I post more? Maybe. I think I'm unique in that I was one of the people that others were pointing their fingers at, over at Mojo. Most just never knew the truth. So maybe it was just harder for me around here and that's ok. I'm looking at everyone else. I don't feel that it was ever like the early days of Mojo here. I know, I know, "Its a different place, with different people at a different time". Does that change the fact that people just might want a friendly place to talk about movies? Make some new friends? I think not. To top it off I'm noticing a lot of arguing between members lately. Why? I don't know. Its sad because I don't know if I even care.

I bring this up because after some reminiscing with friends, I want to care. Others want to care. I want some interesting conversations again, about movies or just life. I don't want back stabbing. No trolling. No spaming. Friendly spirited debates are all I was ever after. Put some thought into it. Don't get bent out of shape over others. Its all any of us should be after. Facts are fact and opinions are just that and we must keep that in mind. We're all here to state our opinions anyway and that's what counts... I haven't been doing enough of it but I'm about to.............

I'm going to try and calm down my demeanor... I respond too easily to random Mav attacks...

Why dont we just let all that die today. In fact why dont we all drop all issues today and start fresh tomorrow. No problems with anyone tomorrow. Call it a good deed. The higher ground.

Yes, that already happened about 8 months ago. This was just a random potshot to the past, it won't really happen anymore...

I wish you (RAWSAW) would be a prominent member here. You raise the level of intelligence here, and that's one of the issues I have with this place. The quality of conversation here speak for themselves. The troublemaking, like Shack's comment in this thread, berating my character, but doing it with lies that he can't back up, is a major problem here. It was just one more example of this nonstop attitude, and that stuff is a cancer to a forum, and I wish it would stop.

Rich, we both came from the same forum community, and I know exactly what you mean. When you experience a great forum community, one that's giving, one that everybody has eachother's back, one that is welcoming, one that is supportive...settling for this...well, that's just not a place I want to be at.

I left for 5 months and did not want to come back when I was asked to. I didn't think it would take long for the same bullshit to go on, and it has. I've come to the decision that unless some changes...MAJOR changes take place, I have no desire to ever post at this place again. I have no problems with just working on the awards section and moving on to a place that isn't like this place is.

It's not surprising to hear BOF members say that they were never made to feel like this could be their home. Hell, I've never felt like it was "my" community, so I can only imagine what they must feel like. This is a clique infested community, with only a handful that even give a damn about anything other than being a slug. Nobody supports anything here. Not NEARLY at the levels that I've seen a forum community support stuff. I'll back that up with anybody who wants to do some comparisons. Excuses are made for why "it's a great place", and this place continues to meander through day by day without ever growing beyond BOM rejects. You would think that instead of making excuses and blaming people who have been forum leaders in a community that everybody positively loved, like I was, that they'd take a good look at themselves and maybe realize that they need to make some changes, and there is something much better to be had. I know there's something better, because I was a part of it. I wish this place would realize it's potential.

I honestly believe that in steps to make this forum more friendly and tighter, we as a forum have to stop insulting each other and getting in each other's faces.

But then again, I'm not that against mean spirited fun. We all need our getluvs to keep things entertaining.

Shack, I agree with you that we as a forum need to stop doing that stuff. Not only at the forums, but behind the scenes. You don't want to know who and how many knives have been put in my back. That would never go on at BOM when myself or baumer were forum leaders, because we wouldn't let it happen. We stuck up for integrity. We felt a brotherhood and sisterhood with one another. This place all depends on what mood the forum leaders are in that day.

If you had experienced BOM in 2002, you'd understand. That's not an insult to any of the people here, as I said, the people here can easily have the same greatness, they just have to want it, and nobody here seems to give a shit. I'll bet Dan (baumer) will tell you the same thing when he sees this.

There is much to be gained from unity. There is nothing to be gained from dissension.

I don't agree that the forum needs getluv if he's going to be negative and insulting. That's BKB's domain, because BKB is a loveable teddybear who loves us.

I think the witch hunting that goes on here needs to stop. If everybody cares about the mainsite, why don't they support it instead of only caring when they have an excuse to berate somebody like what happened to ScottV. So he made a mistake. It's not his first. It probably won't be his last. That didn't mean what happened should have happened, and that the usual suspects needed to jump in and add their 2 cents. Why not spend that kind of energy on something positive?

Shack, honestly, you're one of the most supportive people of things at this site. Your biggest problem is that you try too hard to argue and hate me. You have never once said I agree with Mav, even though I am sure there have been times that you have, but you are all too quick to take the other side. You've even admitted that you love to argue with me.

There is somebody else, a member who I miss very much, who told me that he loved to argue with me, and that was moviebuf. The big difference was that moviebuf and myself really liked eachother very much and never took anything personal. He LOVED the argument, but he loved it even more when we were in agreement. He didn't chose sides based on wanting to argue with me, he took it as it came, and he and I had much respect for eachother. You seem to have taken offense to me winning several arguements when the smoke cleared, Doom, Walk the Line, etc..., and made it a personal crusade to get revenge after that. I don't and won't post anymore predictions in the box office forum because of that happening.

I don't mean to continue this, but:

Don't think because you softened up for a post, it changes what you did in the last couple days.

You talk about stopping the insulting... are you blind to your own actions? I mean, you've been a non-stop barrage of insults in the other thread. You can't tell everyone else to stop when you're the prime offender.

You talk about respect during arguing, but it isn't me who brings in the personal insults every time Mav. If you look at this fight itself... I agreed with Libs that you shouldn't judge a review until you've seen the movie itself, that's on topic. You immediatley attacked me personally. Way back that Paul Giamatti and George Clooney fight... I said Clooney was not a lock for the win. You began the "Idiot, you honestly think you know more about Oscars than me? Get back behind mommy and daddys computer, retard" chanting. And dozens more as well. King Kong? I was just saying among others that King Kong is at least in the race... once again, instead of rebuting my points about whether it is or not, your choice was to insult me.

I'm just saying... If you believe in all those things that you just stated, the first person that needs to change is yourself... Do not think you're not including in that pack Maverikk, believe me. The first person to look at is the man in the mirror.

That's just my two cents.

Double post

It's a friggin' movie website...why do people need to get so heated?

Shack, I'm the adult here, so stop trying to pretend that you are. You are the one who has constantly started, and you even did it again in this thread, so shove that bullshit up your ass.



Again, you are the problem here, as judged by you first reply, and now this reply. The other thread was because I moved the conversation. Get it? It was because YOU decided to post a bunch of links claiming that I started, and I wanted to show everyone exactly what a liar and a problem that you are here.



Shack, was there any reason for you to even care enough to add you comments about anything insignificant that me and Libs disagreed on? There was ONE reason, so don't insult my intelligence.

The Paul Giamatti thing. As usual, you jumped in to disagree with me

http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=100



As you can see, it was the way YOU started your post. Who were you defending Giamatti against? Could it have been me, the only guy here who said that Clooney would win? You didn't give an opinion, you jumped in and were defensive. That same attitude that you always have with me, but not with anybody else.

I won't even get into the fact that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really didn't believe in the argument you tried to present...



Shack, haven't you said that you have problems communicating? Don't you think that those problems are clear and present at these forums? Trust me, they are. We've all seen you start up in this thread, just like you always start, and then try to act like it's the other guy. Grow up. Take a leave of absense and go work on BOF. We'll do well without a 16 year old who constantly tries to hand out conduct advice in between shit starting commentary. When you come back, hopefully you'll have grown as a person and gained some perspective, and I'll guarantee the forum will be in a much better place by then.

That's just my two cents.

Anyway, I'm done acknowledging that you even exist, Shack. Stop trying to cause more trouble and stop following me around with your commentary.

Funny, because getluv doesn't carry on arguements eternally. He cracks his random body humour joke and moves on. He's one of my favorite people here, but its mostly because I've never seen him carry a fight on eternally or at least not without an intense theatrical aspect to it, and the sense I get, he really actually watches alot of good movies and comes here to talk about them. I've certainly heard more interesting movie commentary out of him than most people.

On that note, if you're going to let it lie Shack, let it lie. I don't believe in conditional olive branches, and I honestly only bring this up because I think you mentioned wanting to move on, and would like to walk away from these things. You seem pretty enthusiastic, energetic, maybe emotional, all of which is good. But don't let it get in the way of your fun. Do you really want to spend most of your time logging on here just to get upset, or to chase after someone else's comments, or do you want to come disscuss, oscar potentials, and fine italian cinema (you'll be getting invites three weeks in advance next year too, so be warry)? I have a sense you come here to enjoy it, to reap the benefits of what film can give, and maybe, now, to learn a little from it for your acting (if you're reall interested in persuing it). So, decide.

I assure you, everyone who feels entitled here to some attention can get over it. I expected a retirement party for maybe 48 hours before I apologized for my tantrums, and I put in way more than three days to a month of effort here. Way more. But I also realize so does all of the admin. No one is congratulating them or patting them on the back for the efforts they've made either, and considering how sustained they are, they've long been overdue. No one gets easy love here. It takes pestering, and energy, and doesn't come even then. Are you really in it for that, or cause you like and want to advocate certain movies? Also, do you want to have fun or fight when you come here?

I hope I'm not being preachy? I understand being pissed, take it from me who felt (the truth in it is debateable, but feeling is different) that I did more for the main site and forum than anyone except for maybe Zingaling, and that I got spit out repeatedly, and that I got more people to hate me in five days of modding here than most people get in over a year. Hell, I got more demod dolce threads than the rest of the crew got combined. Appropriately equipped with vulgarity and whatnot. It made it no fun. So, I'm not approaching this from a moralist point of view, just saying, its not fun when you take the petty fights seriously, or get all upset when 35 people don't watch LDV in one weekend. Its much more enjoyable to sit back and let people embarress themselves (of maybe take one crack, but then move on) and to hang out embarressing one'self, which is a proven method of enjoyment.

Hell, I study madness and folly, and this site has enough of it, but it lacks Renaissance artistry. If you're going to be a fool, go Italian, and go all the way. :-P OH, and I wouldn't say this if I didn't think despite my drunken stupor it would make sense. If you wanna talk, send me a pm. Helps alot. Cheers.

Trust me, I'm not upset. I don't have much else to do right now anyways heh, and I find internet arguments to be a good sense of entertainment and time-killing... especially with someone as entertaining as Mav.

Gives me something to do on the side while I work on bof too.

You know. I've heard so many people say they are just in it for the fun, and then spend two days persuing that "fun." Makes me suspicious. Makes that person look like they are delusional...

You're a grown man. Please stop with the snide one-liners. I only say this because I don't think its the mods jobs to say what you can or can't do (its not a rule). But I can indicate how its coming across to others, and from where I stand, I know you're better than this.

Now check your pm box.

Well said.... You know, there's a handfull of people here that are 'KJ' and you are one of them.

I know where you're coming from being a Mod. If you do it right its a dirty job.

I just want to point out that I love everyone herre. Dolce is one of my faves as well. She got me into the Italian Film Festival Thread and that alone is enough to sing her priases. I like getluv as well even though he is rude many times. Maybe it's just that the "old days" can never be duplicated because they are jistory, but as they say, "past is prologue" and that is fitting here as well.

I know i have let Arsi down and that is no ones fault but my own, but unfortunately life is hectic and finding time to fit everything in is daunting. But I do love this community and I want to do more and so i have given my word to Arsi, through Mav, that i will do more to help the site. I think writing is my passion, so why not do it for this site?

Again, I have to go, there never seems enough time in the day to do everything. But if work is not so busy today, I'll explain a bit more.

And also, I would love it if Rich came on here a lot more. I love the guy.

He's mine, you can't have him.

I do agree with what Rich said. When I talk about people here not caring, there are a handful of members that don't even come close to that description, and dolce is one of them. I wish she were still writing for the mainsite, because she's always been one of those members who inspires by her enthusiasm.

I also personally thought she was a good moderator, and I sometimes find myself thinking that if Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted to choose a running mate, she could do a lot worse.

I'd love to hear some more members comment on the subject that RAWSAW has brought up.
Also, I have no problems patting the administrators on the back for all the hard work that they do. It takes effort to care, and they do. The more people who care, the stronger a community becomes. The better a website becomes. I'm glad that baumer wants to give back in the form of mainsite contributions. I think it's important that the mainsite be strong so this forum can grow past the former BOM membership that's been here for 2 years. It needs to grow. Members here need to assist that growth where they can. If somebody can contribute to the cause like some of us, and become heavily involved in getting the mainsite to reach out, that's great, but I hope that the others can at least help out and do their part by making new members feel wanted and welcome when they show up. That doesn't require much effort. It doesn't require much effort to show that you care that the mainsite exists. What if a perspective new member is lurking and reading the forum, and they see a thread about "your" website doing something major, and 3 people bothered replying. That sends a message. I've been a part of a forum community where the support was unquestioned.

I still think my greatest contribution in the history of my BOM/KJ career, was going out of my way to make Ripper feel welcome the first day she posted.

That's it I've had it.

This is utterly fucking retarded. It is a forum. A movie forum, not kindergarten. Mav, stop trying to stir up trouble and shut the hell up. Shack, stop posting in this thread. I'm tired of people saying this isn't a community, well it is a website with a bunch of random strangers. Not friends. I have little to no desire to meet 95% of you.

Jeff, I'm going to tell you this for the LAST time, stop being negative around here. You are actually one of the problems here. You are always acting like the above post, and nobody is interested. If you don't want something better, just go away. Some of us DO, and before you get tough with me, open your goddamn eyes and notice that I didn't start this fucking thread.

We really don't need you and your negativity trying to kill anything positive like you are trying to do, so how about YOU shut the hell up.

Movies are about passion. Is this not clear or are you an undeveloped fetus. I could talk about my personal life and discuss the latest neighborhood disputes in my suburb, but i would get the feeling that you wouldn't give a fuck.

I think some of you people live superficial lives if you claim KJ to be "just" a movie website. Ok, i really hate the goings on around here sometimes, actually all the time, but it gets far more interesting here than it will ever get at more public movie forums.

I remember saying this 2 years ago at mojo when everybody was saying how it wasn't like the golden days there...

A forum is what you make it. You get out of it what you put into it. Over the several years that I've been here and mojo, I've consistantly gotten the same level of enjoyment out of the forum... it does not change for me. I always have fun here, because I'm always looking to have fun.

So, you can talk about the sunny golden days all you want... where people held hands, danced in a circle, and sang songs of love... but, for me this forum is, and always has been a happy place to be. I'm also a firm believer that you don't automatically get respect just because your older or a senior member of the forum... you have to earn respect. There are 16 year olds on this site that I respect more than some 40 year olds.

The bottom line is this place is what you make it. You can say "but he did this...", "but they...", "but...".... all you want, but I maintain it is impossible to have a 1 person argument, and it's not hard to ignore somebody.

If you're looking to come to this forum and have a fun time and make a few friends, I guarantee you can do it. If you're looking to come in and start fights and spread some negativity, I guarantee you can do that.

I somehow manage to exist at this forum without getting into fights, and I have a great time. I don't hold any special skill (other than my amazing good looks). So, if I can do it, anybody can.

No, you just started the previous thread about addressing troublemaking which was not doing anything but stirring things up. I don't like to pick sides, oh hell what am I saying I love to, and I think Shack acted admirably during your attacks. Sure, he sent you a long angry PM, sure he baited you. Be the bigger man, ever heard that? Yeah, its not so impossible.

Sure, we all do that from time to time. I'll admit it, I baited Zing and started a 9-page flame war. Do I regret it? Nah. It was entertaining. I apologized in the end anyway. Sure, I've baited people and sure I've had flame wars before but you know it really isn't worth it. You take this site way too seriously. You are chasing people away I think. You chased me out, maybe that makes you happy. Maybe I don't give a flying fuck.

Adios.

Addendum to my previous post. I agree.

The board won't miss you and your drama queen antics, and if it makes you feel better to blame me, go for it. I seriously doubt you're going anywhere, but the forum doesn't need members like you who "don't care".

You also need to start thinking before you post, but you're not posting anymore...I chased you out.

Have a good life. No hard feelings.

Reasons why Tony M gets so much respect here:

He uses his baton in many interesting sexual ways.
He has used and abused me (baumer) in many ways in the back of his cruiser.
We all love your dog.
You have a great movie memorbilia collection.
You are ridiculously good looking.

Any questions?