How about all celebs with sex tapes this year?

Time Magazine Presents: The Year of the Sex Tape Scandal Women!

The list includes Paris Hilton, Chyna, Gena Lee Nolin, Pamela Anderson and Rusty

That's the worst cover picture I have ever seen.

Person of the year to BUSH no thanks

My choice would have been:

Kelly Holmes
Wayne Rooney
Michael Jackson
Sylvester Stallone

These would all be infront of George Bush in my opinion

Or even Ricky Gervaise! Love that avatar, algren.

Ohhhh DEFINATELY GERVAIS!!!! forgot about him, oops!! He wins it hands down.

Cheers, it is a brill av

you said everything you hippy.

But they chickened out on naming Osama Bin Laden the man of the year 2001 even though they were under considerate pressure to do so. They chose Rudolph Guilliani instead and then wrote a huge article about why Bin Laden had not been chosen, and it was apparently because he was "too evil."

Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, Fonzie!!!!

Nice sig rusty

I think that Osama deserved that one. Look at how he changed the world.

*p.s. Why you hate Turkey there shad? You think you're better then the Turkish?

Hitler and Stalin also were men of the year. It's not necessarily meant to be an honor, but a recognition as to who most influenced our lives in the past year.

Yeh thats true.

This is actually the second time George W. Bush is chosen as man of the year by Time. They also did it in 2000.

I'd argue that this award is pretty America-centric. It is very rare for non-Americans to receive it. Last time it happened was more than ten years ago when Pope Ioannes Pavlvs II was chosen.



It's true that Time has sometimes stuck to the criteria, e.g. when they picked Hitler and Khomeini, but that is not always the case. Like I have already said, they chickened out on picking Osama Bin Laden in 2001 and chose Rudolph Guilliani instead. According to stories in respected newspapers they didn't pick Bin Laden because they thought it would offend readers and advertisers.

This awards lost much of it's credibility then I would think. On Time's website, it says that the rule of selection is "Person of the year is the individual or group of individuals who have had the biggest effect on the year's news"

How can anyone argue that Guilliani was a better pick than Bin Laden, seeing that rule of selection?

I don't want Turkey to join the EU. Unfortunately negotiations between the two parties began two days ago with Turkey wanting a complete membership after ten years.

Why don't you want them to join the EU?

Where do you want me to start?

1) Turkey is NOT an European country. Not geographically, not culturally, not at all.
2) Turkey's large size, combined with the poor state of its economy, means that the EU would not be able to support Turkey or absorb the possibly large number of workers that might leave it for the other member states of the Union.
3) Turkey would have enormous political power once in the Union. Its 70 million inhabitants will bestow it the second largest number of representatives in the European Parliament, after only Germany.
4) There are severe doubts on the democratic and secular nature of Turkey. The involvement of the military in Turkish politics is for example a concern.
5) The Turkish human rights record is poor and very far from European standards. Men and women aren't even fully equal in Turkey!
6) The Cyprus dispute
7) Turkey refuses to recognise the Armenian genocide.
Et cetera.

But we're taking this thread too far off-topic..

Just wanted to know. It's just you sounded extremly pompus with that avatar and the comments Thanks for giving me a good answer though.

I can't imagine having to look at him on the cover, lol.

I think it was a good choice, but obvious and sorta expected.

I agree; just because their standards are one thing, it doesn't mean they keep to them.

I think we all know Bin Lden was the perosn of the year, but Time would have seen a severe drop in subscribers had they rigtly picked Bin Laden.

And yes it is a very US-centric award, the American media is not particualry balanced by whatever yardstick you use to measure.

I have to agree with Shad, though I don't live in Europe, when I want to visit Belgium, my family also didn't want the Turks to join the EU.

Best ....reason..EVER

I agree with the other reasons 100%, but...

1) Yeah, technically it is a European country, but the vast majority of it is in Asia.

2) You think having those shady Germans in is better?

Anyway, a rather pedestrian choice, if not surprising.

You don't trust em either?!

If the EU just stuck to being a free trade zone, there wouldn't be any of these discussions going on now. But noooo, they just had to go and create a doomed political entity.

Good, I've found someone else who doesn't like the EU


Let's place bets- when will the union collapse?

I say when the Eastern countries will decide to so things more their way and try to push France to the side. Looking at how bravely Poland insisted on having the voting system their way instead of one favouring the bigger countries, I think the Eastern European countries really have the guts to shift it towards them.

Also, I cannot believe the Germans gave up the beloved Deutsche Mark for that joke of a currency! And the Franc is gone too! :?