Well you can be as shocked as you want but in the end, it is abnormal for a Man to enjoy another Man's private area and there has to be a reason somewhere in that individuals life that he or she decided to go down that road.. Look, I'm sorry but think what you want to think, but based on our recent election and the whole Gay Marriage issue being shot down in a hail of bullet's I'm obviously not alone in my assessment.. Now, once again, answer the question: What happened in your life that caused you to venture down this road cause there's no way I'll believe that you were like this as a kid unless you were molested or not??? There has to be a reason and there is a reason for everything that occurs in this world..

Thats the problem KJ, alot of the people get Jesus's teachings confused...and his philosphies confused and distort them

Duh,

There is a reason there isn't just 1 religion.

Everyone differs on the right way to live your life. Who is to say who is right or wrong. Sure as hell not me! Thats why all I can ask is that you respect my right to an opinion, regardless of how right or wrong it may be, and try to understand where I am coming from.

KJ

Respect begets respect though KJ. IM not saying you, but in order to get respect you have to give respect. And I doubt most gay people would respect BKB's post, since he is basically calling the hell-ridden, abnormal freaks

BKB, are you anti-sodomy period? I don't mean to be personal, but if a hetero couple had a littlle fun from behind, would they be going to hell too? Just trying to figure out why you are so repulsed by this in such a visceral way. I mean, you must have turned off the car-wash scene in Debbie Does Dallas and sent a complaint to the production studio right?

BKB, man, thats the most ignorant comment i ever read on this board!!!

Im not gay at all, and im a catholic, and i respect peoples desicions, it doesnt concern me and this should not concern you eather!!
But whatever your obviouly not going to change you mind about it!

I'm getting really offended by what BKB is saying, because it is so untrue. I was never molested as a child or anything of that sort. Being is gay is not like a switch, you can't turn it off and on. You think I like people calling me faggot, and telling me I am an abomination to God? I don't think so! You people seem to think we like being this way, but honestly, why would we want to be gay if we constantly get insulted for it, and disrepected? I've been gay ever since I can remember, some people are born that way, and others learn about their homosexuality later in their lives. I learned it very early, and I have a question for you BKB. Why would I want to live this life, if it is looked at in such a negative light? Don't you think I would rather be straight, where according to your opinion it is normal? I'm this way, and I can't change it sorry.

I'm not gay BKB, however that dosent mean that your comments dont shock and repulse me. I am just really confused as to why you think this/what you think...ect

Dolcevita I love you, you are so sweet!

No thats the thing lovemerox, you can not say "i will respect you if you respect me" you just have to go about giving respect to everyone regardless. It is so hard to give someone respect without it being earned, and or warented, but that doesnt mean you shouldn't.

When I say respect, I am not saying that you have to agree with what they say or defend what they say, but you should respect there ability to make a choice. You have to do your best to respect their decisions and beliefs even if you dont agree and regardless of if they do the same for you.

KJ

Have you considered extensive therapy??? Like sitting down with someone and discussing it in private??? There is a reason for everything in this world ladies and gentlemen and why things occur the way that they do and it's merely a suggestion.. If your happy Pink?? Then I think this is great and like I said, I'm going to bow out of this hypersensitive subject and furthermore, you have a PM coming to you right now...

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Therapy for what...being gay?

Yes, I have went to therapy in the past. But they have all been understanding, and tell me to embrace my homosexuality, and why shouldn't they? I would rather live my life as who I want to be, then being straight, and living a lie. I have gone through so much torment for being gay at school, and work. But its worth it, because I want this life, and nobody is going to tell me that it is wrong, because all that matters is my happiness.

Pink,

Your life is yours. Don't ever let anyone else tell you how to live it, only you can truely decide what is right and wrong for you. Just beware not everyone will share those same beliefs.

KJ

I know that, and thank you, but BKB is saying the most spiteful things without considering how it might make other people feel.

Your right.. And if your happy??? Then that's all that matters and my sincere apologies if I offended you or anyone else in anyway, but that proposal you threw at Appy in your PM about not seeing me over something as trivial as this subject??, a subject that the creator of this thread KNEW at some point would stir up some controversy??, then this individual should've perhaps not posted this thread at all on a movie website knowing there would be some reaction to it.. Again, my apologies over it.. :wink:

Just like you have to be true to yourself, if that is what BKB believes, then he has to do the same. Regardless of weather we agree with it.

All I can do, is read his posts and try to understand where he is coming from, and then respond with my own perspective and hope he does the same. Anger is useless here and won't help anything, and don't feel hurt. You have to be confident enough in your own decisions to withstand the criticsm of others, because people love to criticise in all aspects of life from looks, to sports teams to clothing etc.

KJ

And your posting your beef about a PM in here why?

And this isnt just a movie website. Controversy..yes...spiteful remarks...no

Man, how did I get drawn into this? Sure I knew it would be controversial, but I thought it would be more about political orientation and privitization discourse. This is the forum for talking about real life and politics right? I didn't post it in the movie section, and when I posted something in the tv section and someone didn't like it, I took it out. Anyways, my original post had nothing to do with if homosexuality has moral or not, we have enough threads on that somehow.It had to do with extending them priviledges they were just denied but with strings attached. Those strings, of course, being a particular fiscal agenda that previously had not been so popular amongst this group with the exception of the "log cabin" republicans. Hence the statement right of the bat that I think this is a sly recruitment tactic. And could weigh the pros and cons and still think that despite short-term gains, it's not a good idea to embrace it.

Everyone on this board knows how I feel about homosexuality, I had no need to start a debate on it at random just as a discussion of its existing or not. I read that story quite differently in the OT than most people do, and will expound on it via email if you like since I don't want to continue detouring this thread.

I don't think it is fair to call his remarks spiteful. To say that I would have to believe he intentionally came into this thread with the intent to harm someone else. I think all he did is give his opinion, and you all have to accept the fact that he owns that opinion, not you. Just as he has to accept that Pink, and all of us, can do what we want with our lives. In the end we lie in our own graves, not each others.

KJ

Your right. But suggesting therapy, calling people abnormal, and basically saying their going to hell isnt...a very kind way to express your opinions.
If i hated black people, I wouldnt say "black people are lower than me, they need to stop being lazy and get off welfare, whites are better...they are lower...ect

Why??? Because I thought it was total utter bullshit that a so called FRIEND would impose a propostion on another friend in a PM because of me sharing a difference of a opinion about this subject.. Telling her not to interact or see me and for what?? Over something like this??? Once again, you should've known that a controversial subject such as this at some point would cause an uproar or someone sharing a difference of opinion on it and if that's the case?? Then perhaps the subject shouldn't of been posted to begin with now should it?? People will share a differnce of opinion on this subject no matter what and if your happy?? Then great.. Bravo, but Pink should take a pill and chill and not dump on Appy over something I said.. That's wrong and not her fault.. Good God almighty folks..

Ok your appy's and pinks drama dosen;t need to be posted where everyone can see. And as dolce JUST EXPLAINED she had no intention of causing controversy.

How did Appy and Dolce get dragged into this!

I happen to like where this conversation has gone, and wish that people would not get so defensive, but alas touchy subjects can sometimes have that effect. I think we all should just cool down and get back on topic, the topic being where exactly SHOULD the gay community (and yes there is one of those!) go from here.

KJ