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Beeblebrox
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 Book burning alive and well
An Alabama lawmaker wants to ban all books, fiction and nonfiction, that depict homosexuality as anything other than an abomination.
You get one guess if he's a Republican or a Democrat.
The highlights:
"Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday.
Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.
"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.
"It sounds like Nazi book burning to me," said [Southern Poverty Law Center] spokesman Mark Potok.
When asked about Tennessee Williams' southern classic "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof," Allen said the play probably couldn't be performed by university theater groups.
"Half the books in the library could end up being banned. It's all based on how one interprets the material," [Jaunita Owes, director of the Montgomery City-County Library] said.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:46 pm |
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Eagle
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Oh now this is just foolish.
KJ
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:53 pm |
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Caius
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Of course this lawmaker is stupid, but I don't find this to be "book burning" or censorship. Does the government have to allow every single book to go into the library? If they told a private library or store that they could not sell certain books, then I would find a censorship problem.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:05 pm |
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bABA
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 Re: Book burning alive and well
Beeblebrox wrote: An Alabama lawmaker wants to ban all books, fiction and nonfiction, that depict homosexuality as anything other than an abomination. You get one guess if he's a Republican or a Democrat.The highlights: "Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday.
Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.
"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.
"It sounds like Nazi book burning to me," said [Southern Poverty Law Center] spokesman Mark Potok.
When asked about Tennessee Williams' southern classic "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof," Allen said the play probably couldn't be performed by university theater groups.
"Half the books in the library could end up being banned. It's all based on how one interprets the material," [Jaunita Owes, director of the Montgomery City-County Library] said.
and so it should be.
**Runs**
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:24 pm |
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The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:31 pm |
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lovemerox
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Krem wrote: The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books.
Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?" 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:37 pm |
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bABA
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is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross?
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:38 pm |
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lovemerox
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bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross?
Where did you run too?
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:39 pm |
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lovemerox wrote: Krem wrote: The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books. Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?" 
I see you still enjoy coming up with those strawmen.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:40 pm |
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bABA
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lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too?
no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:41 pm |
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bABA
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lovemerox wrote: Krem wrote: The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books. Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?" 
because they do : )
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:42 pm |
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lovemerox
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bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables
I think what he meant was, on average majorty of republicans are conservative...most conservatives are "anti-gay"
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:42 pm |
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lovemerox
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Krem wrote: lovemerox wrote: Krem wrote: The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books. Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?"  I see you still enjoy coming up with those strawmen.
I see you continue to use a flimsy "nickname," whenever some points out something wrong with your party :wink:
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makeshift
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bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables
You're right. It's not because of their political party. It's because their hateful bigots.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:43 pm |
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lovemerox
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makeshift_wings wrote: bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables You're right. It's not because of their political party. It's because their hateful bigots.
True,
I still cannot believe in this day and age, our society still has this....phobia...hate for gay people. It's disgusting
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:44 pm |
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Caius
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lovemerox wrote: Krem wrote: lovemerox wrote: Krem wrote: The lawmaker is stupid, but his party allegiance has hardly anything to do with the matter.
It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books. Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?"  I see you still enjoy coming up with those strawmen. I see you continue to use a flimsy "nickname," whenever some points out something wrong with your party :wink:
You used a logical fallacy. Thats what he was referring to.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:45 pm |
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lovemerox wrote:
I think what he meant was, on average majorty of republicans are conservative...most conservatives are "anti-gay"
Great logic. You should take over Maureen Dowd's spot, once she retires from NY Times.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:45 pm |
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bABA
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lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables I think what he meant was, on average majorty of republicans are conservative...most conservatives are "anti-gay"
yes i understood that ... my point being ... its almost deliberate to start up a debate on it ... its a cheap pot shot towards people who associate with a certain thing ..... this is about a guy who doesn't like gay people ... not about a guy who doesn't like gay people cause hes republicans.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:45 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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KidRock69x wrote: Of course this lawmaker is stupid, but I don't find this to be "book burning" or censorship.
Technically, it's not book burning. He wants to bury them in a big hole. But I'm sure that's of little comfort to the gay community or anyone who wants to read Cat On A Hot Tin Roof.
But it is, in fact, the very definition of censorship. It would be govt sponsored and mandated. But the issue isn't just the censorship. Obviously the govt has to make some decisions about what to include and not include in public libraries. The question, however, is WHAT they exclude and why and taking that decision-making away from the librarians.
And excluding any and all content becuase it does NOT portray gays negatively is moronic.
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lovemerox
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Krem wrote: lovemerox wrote:
I think what he meant was, on average majorty of republicans are conservative...most conservatives are "anti-gay"
Great logic. You should take over Maureen Dowd's spot, once she retires from NY Times.
Thanks, I appreciate the jabs...Nice...really 
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bABA
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lovemerox wrote: makeshift_wings wrote: bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables You're right. It's not because of their political party. It's because their hateful bigots. True, I still cannot believe in this day and age, our society still has this....phobia...hate for gay people. It's disgusting
not really a phobia .... its an unacceptance.
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lovemerox
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bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables I think what he meant was, on average majorty of republicans are conservative...most conservatives are "anti-gay" yes i understood that ... my point being ... its almost deliberate to start up a debate on it ... its a cheap pot shot towards people who associate with a certain thing ..... this is about a guy who doesn't like gay people ... not about a guy who doesn't like gay people cause hes republicans.
Can you do me a favor?
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Beeblebrox
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Krem wrote: It's not as if Democrats never want to ban certain books. Why is it republicans always have to counterattack with something "democrats do too?"  [/quote] I see you still enjoy coming up with those strawmen.[/quote]
Isn't that EXACTLY what you just did, Krem? Your response was, "yeah, but Democrats do it too." That's a non-response response. And it doesn't adresss the issue at all.
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bABA
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i dont know what you're saying lovemerox .. i think there was a problem in the quoting.
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makeshift
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bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: makeshift_wings wrote: bABA wrote: lovemerox wrote: bABA wrote: is there an implication here that there is no democrat against homosexuality??
Is there an implication here that all democrats have the exact way of thinking and all republicans have the exact way of thinking and their parts cannot cross? Where did you run too? no where. I just find it odd how every matter must be tied in with people's political agenda ..... ever considered people being anti-gay just because they are .... and not having anything to do with the fact that theyre republicans or democrats or cats or wooden tables You're right. It's not because of their political party. It's because their hateful bigots. True, I still cannot believe in this day and age, our society still has this....phobia...hate for gay people. It's disgusting not really a phobia .... its an unacceptance.
Is there a difference?
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