after my conversations with krem, i know hes asked you to stop baiting him again and again.

A) It goes beyond someone being overly sensitive, which i know he is. In such cases, i'd probably ask people to shove it.
B) I do not want someone being picked for the sake of picking.

Now krem spoke with you about it but it has continued. Hence the warning. I personally feel maverikk deserves the same warning if not more (such language is never called for) but that doesn't mean i think others have an excuse to make references to others when we all know you 2 aren't the best of friend.

Theres a difference between me baiting Tony as opposed to Goldie. Goldie and i haven't had the most pleasant history while tony and i have a perfect understanding on why i would say such a thing.

I had just said that I didn't think to most observers that they were equally to blame. Snrub seemed less to blame, and yes I saw his alleged bait in the Scott/Lock thread.

edit: after thinking about it, I decided I'd get accused of baiting so I cut out everything but a recap of what I'd said last night.

my "personal opinon" is that Maverikk should have been banned for this kind of shit a year ago for even a week just to teach him that he cant manipulate the rulebook to stick around so easily.

Meh, give them both a wk ban, its amazing they only got a warning . Im tired of seeing warnings, and to some extent short turm bans, they dont that work well ether, best way to do this is giving people that flame at each other a 3month ban at the shortest, These two have recieved warnings already banning should have been the next step easily yet it was totaly ignored and they got by with warnings again

First of all, let me explain why I gave Snrub a warning while Maverikk only got a slap on the wrist: I have specifically asked Snrub not to bait Maverikk anymore. Maverikk's responses, while not warranted either, only showed after Snrub's jab at Maverikk. This does not mean that Mav gets a free pass; you can all consider this an official request for Maverikk not to feel justified insulting people left and right after a slight jab at him.

Second, the warning is not a punishment. A temp ban would only materialize if such behavior continues.

I will respond to the comments in the next post.

I did a 5 page search on shrub's comments and the only comment that I can see that antagonized Maverickk was the part about taking the internet personally but I dont think Shrub should of received the type of harsh comments back.

Now I address to Maverick. How is Shrub's comments anymore offensive than the comments you made to Shack about his bad predictions and that you telling him he should give up making the predictions before becoming the laughing stock in the forum? There were more comments like that addressed to other posters and their supposed biased predictions. The way I see it is that if you are going to throw comments about people's posting, you should be able to handle some smart alecy comments from Shrub

Honestly, how many times do we need to go through this? By all means of you're goign to aruge at least make it funny.

There are many posters whom I might like to tell me opinion of, but sometimes I jsut keep my bloody mouth shut because I forsee the problems it will cause. Secondly, is no one capable of ignoring people around here? It is so bloody hard. WHo gives a flying fuck if they are saying something about you? If you don't care what they think, then who cares what they say. ANyone here we cannot form their own opinion on auser and goes solely base don others comments is not really worth your time anyway. The lighthearted back and forht is actually funny and adds some humor to the forum, this constant bickering and involving the mods has gone beyodn that. It started as drama, like when you see a fight at school and watch, now its like, on look they are trying ot kill each other again *yawn*.

Secondly, can no take any bloody criticsim from anyone anymore. It seem slike everyone is content to dish out shit, but when its them on the chopping block its a problem. Call me a stickler, but if you don't ike being called names, then don't do it to ther people. You cannot have your cake and eat it to. Hoenstly, this baiting bullshit, what are we five? Lots of peopel around here seem incapable of letting naything ago. Can't anyone be silently mad/annoyed att other users?

Its amazng there is anyone left who wants to mod this place. Everyone needs to just chill, and when you see this shit goign on, just stay out of it, you'renot helping. WHile it may be funny to you, you're just making more work for the mods.

Tony: like I said in the post above, I have specifically asked Snrub to refrain from commenting on Mav. That's why his "punishment" is tougher.

Goldie: I do not believe that harsh actions towards even a few out of control members are good for the site. What I've observed in the past (including on BOM) is that the moment users start getting banned opens up a whole can of worms with people who may not be familiar with the whole story coming to the defense of the "little guy" and tearing the site apart with in-fighting.

In regard to Snrub's comment: it was inappropriate in that I have asked Snrub not to bait Maverikk in the past, and he said he wouldn't, yet he did it with absolutely no justification.

See above for the reason why Maverikk's is not getting as harsh a "penalty".

The job of the mods is to moderate the forum yes, but it's unfair of people to drag them into the in-fighting all the time.

As for my avatar, I have not heard any complaints about it. Several people have noted the irony, like you did, though. In case you're not familiar with the picture, this is Johnny Cash in one of the worst periods of his life.

Maverikk: Like bABA said, this is an open forum, and Tony's concerns are just as valid as yours, Snrubs, mine or Goldie's. I do not know Tony to be a troublemaker, and nothing in his post would suggest to me that he is.

getluv: the fights may have been funny, but they are a very serious drag on the forum. See above for the reason why the "punishments" are not the same.

bABA: only Snrub is getting a formal warning, but I am asking Maverikk to stop using that sort of language in the future.

Kypade: this "fight" was prompted by a baiting comment made by Snrub. I believe it was linked somewhere in this thread.

Snrub: I understand that your comments are always light-hearted. However, this is the Internet, and people may not always get your meaning. You knew that Maverikk does not like being called out in such fashion, yet you did it anyway. The insults are another story, and I do not want them continued by Mav either.

Michael: As I said, Snrub baited Maverikk, not the other way around. You may not have seen it; check the links in this thread.

BJ: I believe that bans (or even tempbans) are very ineffective tools to punish what basically constitutes people expressing themselves, because they antagonize the forum. Even this thread is creating a rift over what basically is an administrative issue.

Roid: The comments that people make are their own prerogative and it always depends on the context. You don't know what sort of relationship Maverikk and Shack have, so Shack may have understood them as just humor, as opposed to Mav's understanding of Snrub's comments as a jab at him. Every situation is different.

To all: you may have noticed that I kept using quotes with the word punishment. The reason for that is that nobody is getting banned or tempbanned; all that I am asking of Maverikk and Snrub is to modify their behavior so that it doesn't antagonize the forums again.

You see thats what Im getting at Krem, Maverick's comments to Shack maybe just as lighthearted as Shrub's comments to Maverick. How is one to dissect which comments would be stepping on people's toes?Shrub's personality is very cheerful and I play along with his comments most of the time

I don't think Shack likes being called out every time he posts in the Box Office Bash. There's no special relationship there.

I deleted a couple of comments in this thread.

Roid: in Snrub's case, I have specifically asked him not to bait Maverikk anymore in the past.

If Shack has a problem with Maverikk's comments, then he should make it known to the Mods.

BTW: Shrub is a derogatory nickname of G.W. bush; Snrub is a poster on this forum

Just get their punishment over with. May I suggest put "girly man" in one of the violator's title and the other "angry Man"?

I think alot of peopel are jsut sick of all the fighting, regardless of who is involved, so there is some venting. Your right this shoudl jstu be an admin issue, but this little fights happen and go across threads where people want to have actual conversation, or so posters like me just get annoyed at all parties in volved.

I don't want to have to scroll past fights reminscient of recess in 4th grade to discuss things, for some reason at this forum its more of an issue then anywhere else. It seems at points to be hard to ignore, whereas at other forums there are whole psoters other people dislike who I have never read more then a few posts .

Aha, so diplomatic; now you're going to have me decide who's getting which

Can someone link me to the place where Snrub started all this? Becuase as far as i can remember it was mav who strolled into my thread and started calling names.

Oh and by the way, Take this post as my complaint for his conduct towards myself in that thread. Where he was also abusive towards hans.

Michael...



The "Mr. Scott is Lock Happy" thread -- page two.

How in the name of GOD is that "baiting"
The dude obviously does take the internet far, far too seriously. Snrub is simply stating a truth thats obvious for every damn one of us here to see.

Seriously, this thread got too big, too fast for me to read it all.

But, if ''Maverikk'' is enough to be considered 'baiting' and the 'start' to this WHOLE thing...well there's just something wrong there, Krem.

I respect Krem's decisions and very much appreciate the time spent in answering each of our concerns in great detail. I am happy we finally have a decent admin here. (but let's be honest - it's not really hard to follow baba or Eagle's footsteps - a trained monkey could look pretty good in comparison.)

I will say that I do not agree entirely, but do feel my whining and bitching was heard and considered - which is all I can ask for. If Krem's method helps to end the real problem, I am all for it and will later pretend I never said that I do not totally agree.

Also, I do like Krem's avatar - I do not believe that admins or mods should have to lose their personality to do their job. Just my two cents on that issue...

Why would Dale Cooper cause such controversy anyway is beyond me.

I do believe that Dale is giving me the finger, and I don't like it.

But, back on subject... how much would it cost to get Snrub banned, and do you accept personal checks?

Even if Shrub gets banned, he will always come back as the hedonism bot


And let the wars begin....

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