It's true that they haven't given much answers, especially in the second one, and I can understand frustration over that, there was a bit of bait and switch going on with the hype around the season premiere.

But, frankly, the writing, the human interaction of the characters, was so back to being good from the way it was lame in the season finale, that I put up with the lack of info.

On another subject, looking back, I think this series changed when guns started becoming a big deal, it started to feel less rustic and adventurous. One day they are killing stuff with knives and sticks and now they have 5 guns and who knows how many more guns if they kill Desmond and get his stuff. I still love it though, but I regret guns becoming so important in the show.

The name Desmond refers to a historical figure, BTW, just like Locke and Rousseau. I think it's the middle name of some guy who had that theory of the bernal sphere or something. I'll dig it up later.

LOL, it's all in my super long post after the premiere which I gather no one bothered to read and which contained so many detailed clues and explanations and just random stuff that added to the premiere episode and series as a whole.


I finally watched the episode (thanks very much to revolutions and Dr. Lecter).

Above all, let me say that I, too, think there wasn't that much development and that (not being that fond of Micheal) the flashback didn't really further any plot points either!

that being said, this was a bloody brilliant follow-up to the premiere. Sorry for those who didn't enjoy it... I actually would ahve enjoyed it MUCH more if I didn't have to watch it on my computer (and most of the ep being at night, leaving some stuff in black on the screen).

The retelling of the entering of the hatch sort of reminded me of Alias for some reason. Although I don't think they have actually used that exact same technique, Alias, time to time, employs those opening scenes and then "48 hours earlier" type storytelling. I thought i was great... those always seem to be my favorite Alias eisodes or the one I think were really well done and I enjoyed it in Lost as well.

I was actually surprised (in a good way) that they did go back and reveal exactly what happened, because as a viewer I always think of those things, like what EXACTLY happened between this time and that time (Kate getting pull down and JAck finding Lock/Desmond) and as mucha s they could explain it, you always wonder (or I always wonder) how it actually happened. That's just me, so for me, it was pretty damn brilliant how they did it.

I'm with alot of people on the following, and disagree with Dr. Lecter, in thinking that Kate eating the candy was probably the best (or at least my favorite) scene in the episode. I don't think they were deliberately trying to make it so comedic though they obviously knew the chuckles that would ensue. Just taking those few seconds to absorb all the moist chocolate and gooey feel of real manufactured food was priceless. I also thought the scene when Desmond shoots up at the vent where Kate is at was pretty good; though I don't know how anyone wouldn't scream or yell out a curse from sheer fright!

On to the sea.... I thought the Micheal and Sawywer scenes were rather slow and I hate it when people just scream out endlessly (God, Micheal was as annoying as ever). Nontheless, I did enjoy watching it because the dynamic and dialogue felt more real than alot fo other things on the show. Very well executed. The ending was pretty good too... can't wait till next week!

One thingis for sure... this season is going to go by a VERY slow pace but that shouldn't be a problem because there is ALOT to tell and explain! Un;ess they really speed up the pace I'll expect the season to finish before they see their 64th day!

As for the lack of supporting characters.... I don't mind it for now because what they're showing is so integral to the show and plus it would juts kind of kill the momentum. I do, however, hope they have some good stuff planned for some of the supporting cast (Shannon, Sun, Hurley). By the way Sayid was in the premiere, for that one poster who thought he hadn't showed up yet. I'm glad we didn't see him in this episode... he joins the ranks of my most annyoyed-by characters.

the Charlie and Claire scene was also very well done... very wise in choosing that scene to put in for some of the supporting characters and not some other ueless one!

I started reading it, but then realized that incase all that is true, I'd be pretty spoiled, so I skipped it, hehe.




Actually, I think that scene with Kate gives some clues as well. There are so many supplies in that place and so much different stuff (even not life-necessary, like candy), that I am pretty sure that Desmond hasn't been just alone there for many years. Either someone supplied him over the time with all the stuff somehow or he moved in not too long ago.




I read that the time frame of both seasons will be the same, so...

Hmm... is it the same place? Michael and Susan were talking in this room, the same room Claire almost signed away her baby in. But how is this possible? Michael is in New York, while Claire is in Australia.

From Raised by Another:


From Adrift:


I guess they could have ran out of office type places to film in Hawaii...

The point of Kate eating the candy was that it was an Apollo chocolate bar, which was discontinued at least 10 years ago. It showed that Desmond has been in there for a long time.
Additionally, Desmond has been there alone for all those years. Did anyone notice that when Locke typed in the numbers, the timer was set back to 108 minutes? I'm sure everyone saw that and simply thought "More of those crazy numbers". Initially, I thought the same thing, but I later realized it also proves that Desmond is the only person in the hatch. It means that someone has to press the button around every two hours, and surely if someone else was in the hatch, they would take turns doing it with Desmond. But since Demond looks so crazy and disheveled, I concurred that he looks that way not just because he's been isolated from human contact, but because he's incredibly tired. He can't sleep for more than 108 minutes at a time, or else the timer will run down, and judging from Desmond's reaction, nothing good will come of that. That might even explain what the drugs are for: pep pills to give Desmond enough energy to stay awake. Finally, the "him" that Desmond is searching for is probably a person to relieve him of his duty, which is why he is so anxious for "him" to show up.

That's my theory, and I'm stickin' to it.

Walts family lived in Australia didn't they?

I'm not sure, but that is where Micheal went to pick up Walt.

I don't understand why you gys are looking so much into this... it was probably a set that they could use more than once, so they kept it their just for this kind of reason.

Yes it was probably juse reusing the same set but I can't blame people for looking into it for more than that because after all, in both cases there were offspring involved who had spooky stuff happen about them.

Yes, but the whole thing with Michael was that he was try to pettition her from going to Australia. They were in New York at the time, I believe.

I just saw it as another cool connection between the castaways, even though the rooms were in different countries and took place about 10 years away from each other.

It should surprise no one that I didnt care much for episode 2.2.

My issues:

Michael and Sawyer fighting. That's noteworthy why? It added nothing new.

The Rashomon retelling of last week's hatch events. It added nothing new.

Michael and Walt's flashback. It added nothing new.

The episode's big reveal at the end. We've known there are other people on the island since last season. The only question is whether they are the other survivors of the plane crash or the "others". It added nothing new.

Patience my fellow posters. Patience!!!

We have been too spoiled with all the big reveals and big events happening in the finale/premiere.

Desmond will evidentally "tell all" in this week's episode, so if you can wait another day or so, you'll get some more answers...

You can't expect them to make big revelations in every episode! I mean look back at some of the other season 1 episodes. The ones in the beginning... some of them were just about adapting and didn't further the plot more than the fight between Michael and Sawyer did in this one!

Looks like at least someone agrees with me. Pointless retelling, pointless flashbacks.

So, should Lost just be a two-hour movie or something? There's far too many people complaining about the pace, and it's bothersome. What's the rush? Sit back and enjoy the ride. They can't be dropping bombshells every episode. It just seems there's always criticism when no answers are given about anything. Maybe the Michael/Walt thing wasn't meant to be a big deal. Maybe the retelling of going into the hatch from a new perspective was just killing time. I found it entertaining and fun. I don't expect answers every week. The show isn't ending anytime soon, so why give too much away so soon? If they give too much away, they'll only end up creating new questions, and I doubt it will be as fun. Then, they'll just be beating the show to death with implausible crap.

I'm stuck on rant-mode today.

Yeah Sayid went with Shannon to find the dog, and grabbed her back to camp when she freaked about seeing Walt.

Exactly....

Also, with a show like Lost, given its huge success which brings into light a variety of different types of fans and viewers, it will NEVER please everyone. There will always be people bickering and complaining about certain aspects or plot points or lack of them ( I'm not pointing finger, I never said I was exempt from that groupe, lol).

I can't wait for tomorrow's episode. The first time since the season began and only Wednesday this month which I'm not working! I wonder if it will continue to slightly decline/hold viewers and ratings or if it will start increasing again like last season!

Wow... just finished the season 1 DVD set and caught up with this seasons shows. I watched 26 episodes in about 18 days!

Anyhow, a great show, but it was really, really hard to go from the crystal clear 16:9 shows with 5.1 sound on the DVD to the very ordinary semi-grainy looking 4:3 shows on regular TV.

I love how JJ Abrams crafts characters that are slightly more complex than your average show... nobody is 100% good or bad, and sometimes he'll pull the rug out from under you (for example, you love Locke one moment and dislike him the next). Reminds me of what he did with some of the characters in Alias (like Sloan). The only thing that worries me is that he is good at crafting suspense and mystery, but not so good with the payoff (see Rimbaldi in Alias).

Anyhow, it's good to be caught up and I finally see what the fuss is about. One of the best first seasons of any show!

Glad to have on board!!!

I actually want to on the record and say that although JJ did have a great deal to with making the show what it is and contributing greatly to the series, I think Damon Lindelof is being overlooked and he has as much to do with the show's greatness as does JJ.

All hail Damon Lindelof!!

Thanks!

I'm not familiar with Damon Lindelof... what else has he done?

Another thing I forgot to mention is the casting... JJ has a tremendous knack for finding talent and matching characters up to the part. I can't see anybody else playing some of these parts, and many of them were virtually unknown before Lost. It was fun watching the casting videos on the DVD... most came in reading for Sawyer - the guys that play Charlie, Jack, and Hurley all came in to read for Sawyer. I somehow can't picture Hurley doing Sawyer!

From the special features it is very clear that Locke, Sawyer, and Kate (who was described as "our hero" in the initial casting) were the central characters from the beginning of the show. Most of the rest were filled in later and were afterthoughts, like the Korean couple. It makes me wonder how much the others will really fit in to the overall picture.

I'm not used to this irony-free Tony. I had to reread his post to make sure he wasn't making fun of Lost.

On a side note, one thing I find constantly amusing about this show is every time they show the main characters around the extras, it makes them look so much like a pack of models out of Zoolander or something. The show is believable except for those moments where we are reminded what real people look like.

Good to hear that the Lost DVD pleased another fan, I'm thinking of buying it even though I've seen them all. People make it sound worth it.

That's very true... not many criminals look like Kate (dammit!), and somehow Sawyer's hair manages to stay perfectly moussed and styled. Most people on Survivor after 30 days have hair that looks like a rat's nest, bug bites everywhere, appear anorexic, and look a different shade of brown (from the dirt and sun).

However, should we really question their looks when we have Polar Bears on a tropical island, giant monsters lurking in the forrest (that nobody sees), a set of numbers cursing Hurley, and a ton of other bizarre happenings?

Have we talked about the shark?

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/051003a.php

One of the many reveals this week was a corporate logo of some sort all over the hatch - a black and white octagon shaped symbol with a swan and the word 'DHARMA'.

A few minutes later in the episode however came a payoff to that clue, a payoff that went by so fast that only those fully paying attention and with big clear televisions probably got it.

During the scene with Sawyer swimming over to the pontoon, we catch a fleeting glimpse of the shark menacing them swimming by underwater. For a fraction of a second its tail is visible and tattooed on that tail is the same octagonal 'DHARMA' symbol.



As we know the producers have said it's not an experiment, purgatory, or someone's dream but this new clue seems definitely to lean towards the experiment theory.

Sounds like an experiment to me...or at the very least misdirection.

Hmm so could the whole island and it's animals and surrounding fishes and such be man made?