Iraq...It just keeps getting worse
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John Doe
The Incredible Hulk
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 MightyEldo wrote: It's two completely different situations. I am actually very patriotic. I am actually English too. I also wish people would or could even understand the difference between being Anti-american and Anti-Bush admin.  I also have nothing against the American military, only the ones in command. Those poor guys are around my age facing death everyday. I really feel sorry for them sacrificing their lives and fighting for a worthless and pointless war. I read an article about how Americans in Fallujah were answering sniper fire with Abrams tank rounds and the article was trying to make out how awful this was. Thing is, if I was over there I'd do the exact same thing. The country is just a complete mess, just look at mosul now and it disgusts me that these young guys are over there constantly under attack. Well said MightyEldo,
I'm with you on this... I'm very much against this war because it wasn't needed at all... but I'm not blaming these kids when they snap... As cruel as it sounds, this is a fucking war, so what do you expect... I'm very much pissed though with people high up, who dreamed up this mess, and their utopistic agendas... Not much different from communists 'liberating' people from 'oppressive capitalists' in the 20th century.... We'll just never learn...  _________________
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:45 pm |
 
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MightyEldo
Waitress in LA
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Haha, if communism was so good then why did they have to build a wall to keep people in? 
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:14 pm |
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Anonymous
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Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low".
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:19 pm |
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Bodrul
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Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:23 pm |
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Anonymous
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hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha
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torrino
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Krem wrote: hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha IDJOT! YOU GOT SERVED BY THE HANS-MEISTER!
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:40 pm |
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Anonymous
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torrino wrote: Krem wrote: hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha IDJOT! YOU GOT SERVED BY THE HANS-MEISTER! Learn to spell, mkay?
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torrino
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Krem wrote: torrino wrote: Krem wrote: hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha IDJOT! YOU GOT SERVED BY THE HANS-MEISTER! Learn to spell, mkay? I'd like to use the following AIM Log to my defense, mkay? 
diabloadentro (5:59:04 PM): at least i can spell idiot.
DimaKrem (5:59:18 PM): idjot
Okay. Even after I told you the proper spelling, you still decided to spell it the wrong way! Because you're so ignorant, of course. I then realized that it was probably a mental disability or some Russian disease. I concluded that I might as well play along and spell it your way.
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:44 pm |
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Anonymous
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torrino wrote: Krem wrote: torrino wrote: Krem wrote: hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha IDJOT! YOU GOT SERVED BY THE HANS-MEISTER! Learn to spell, mkay? I'd like to use the following AIM Log to my defense, mkay? diabloadentro (5:59:04 PM): at least i can spell idiot. DimaKrem (5:59:18 PM): idjot Okay. Even after I told you the proper spelling, you still decided to spell it the wrong way! Because you're so ignorant, of course. I then realized that it was probably a mental disability or some Russian disease. I concluded that I might as well play along and spell it your way. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Why are you making up AIM logs involving my nickname?
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:46 pm |
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torrino
College Boy T
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Krem wrote: torrino wrote: Krem wrote: torrino wrote: Krem wrote: hans wrote: Krem wrote: Channeling Maggie Thatcher, eh mate?
I'm still struggling to figure out why you felt it prudent to remark on me "being low". you are pretty one sided, but other than that theres not much reason for it Ahahahahaha IDJOT! YOU GOT SERVED BY THE HANS-MEISTER! Learn to spell, mkay? I'd like to use the following AIM Log to my defense, mkay? diabloadentro (5:59:04 PM): at least i can spell idiot. DimaKrem (5:59:18 PM): idjot Okay. Even after I told you the proper spelling, you still decided to spell it the wrong way! Because you're so ignorant, of course. I then realized that it was probably a mental disability or some Russian disease. I concluded that I might as well play along and spell it your way. I have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you making up AIM logs involving my nickname? Okay...My main comment was, that, after realizing you had a spelling disability and/or mental disability, I decided to play along with it.
Here was the convo...Remember this?
diabloadentro (11:30:23 PM): how's ur sis doing?
diabloadentro (11:30:27 PM): still at that damned concert?
DimaKrem (11:30:38 PM): i think so
diabloadentro (11:30:47 PM): i think she's smoking
diabloadentro (11:30:49 PM): trust me, i'd know
diabloadentro (11:30:53 PM): the movie was in philly
DimaKrem (11:30:53 PM): heheh
diabloadentro (11:30:54 PM): :-D
diabloadentro (11:34:30 PM): Krem.
diabloadentro (11:34:37 PM): how's the chick situation going, btw?
DimaKrem is idle at 11:43:01 PM.
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Session concluded at 12:05:40 AM
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diabloadentro (5:52:37 PM): now you can join from work :-=D
diabloadentro (5:52:39 PM): http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=partial&N=all&M=
min&C=1&D=color&T=both&PER=15&I=bomchat&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0
DimaKrem (5:52:57 PM): i could before
DimaKrem (5:53:01 PM): i just didn't want to
diabloadentro (5:54:21 PM): bastard
diabloadentro (5:54:27 PM): the chat's in five minutes
DimaKrem (5:56:38 PM): what chat?
diabloadentro (5:56:53 PM): the official chat, idiot
DimaKrem (5:57:01 PM): you're the idiot
diabloadentro (5:59:04 PM): at least i can spell idiot.
DimaKrem (5:59:18 PM): idjot
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diabloadentro (7:55:41 PM): go attack me for that post
diabloadentro (7:58:04 PM): .
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Session concluded at 8:16:30 PM
BTW, Krem, there's some nasty bits in that conversation about other posters on these boards, so you might as well give up now or else I'll post 'em.
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rusty
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POST EM! 
Or at least PM ME THEM!
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:04 pm |
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Anonymous
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Dude, stop making this shit up.
Really, you're making yourself look desperate.
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:00 pm |
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torrino
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Dude, I didn't make the shit up. You know it, too.
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rusty
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Then let rusty be the judge of it!
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torrino
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Fine, rusty. Get on MSN.
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dolcevita
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq.html?hp&ex=1101272400&en=049a4b3f977459eb&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote:
U.S. Starts New Offensive South of Baghdad
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Some 5,000 U.S. Marines, British troops and Iraqi commandos launched raids and arrested suspected insurgents Tuesday in a new offensive aimed at clearing a swath of insurgent hotbeds south of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.
In other violence, masked gunmen assassinated a Sunni cleric north of Baghdad -- the second such killing in as many days -- and insurgents hit a U.S. convoy with a roadside bomb near the central Iraq city of Samarra, prompting the Americans to open fire, killing an Iraqi, hospital officials said.
The new offensive was the third large-scale military assault this month aimed at suppressing Iraq's persistent insurgency ahead of crucial elections set for Jan. 30.
The region of dusty, small towns south of the capital has become known as the ``triangle of death'' for the frequent attacks by car bombs, rockets, and small arms on U.S. and Iraqi forces there and for frequent ambushes on travellers.
The military said violence has surged in the area in recent weeks in an apparent attempt to divert attention away from the U.S. assault on Fallujah.
The joint operation kicked off with early morning raids in the town of Jabella, 50 miles south of Baghdad, netting 32 suspected insurgents, the U.S. military said in a statement. U.S. and Iraqi forces were conducting house-to-house searches and vehicle checkpoints.
In the past three weeks, Iraqi troops and Marines have detained nearly 250 insurgents, the statement said.
They have been aided by British forces from the 1st Battalion of the Black Watch Regiment, who were brought to the area from southern Basra to aid U.S. forces in closing off militant escape routes between Baghdad, Babil province to the south and Anbar province to the west.
The massive Fallujah invasion -- involving some 10,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops -- has left the former guerrilla stronghold mostly in U.S. hands, though fighting with pockets of gunmen has been going on for days, the military has said. More than 50 U.S. servicemembers were killed and more than 400 wounded in the operation.
Earlier this month, the northern city of Mosul witnessed a mass insurgent uprising in apparent support of Fallujah's guerrillas. Some 2,400 U.S. troops were sent in to retake control over western parts of the city.
The slain Sunni cleric, Sheik Ghalib Ali al-Zuhairi, was shot as he left a mosque in the town of Muqdadiyah, 60 miles north of Baghdad, said police Col. Raisan Hussein...
Lots of information all over the place here. And they just snuck in a tiny paragraph on cleric leader getting shot leaving prayer out of nowehere. Was that yesterday I assume, or is the assiassination referring to earlier this month?
Falluja is out, but Baghdad and Mosul are in? Maybe they're in every city. Lets pick off each city one at a time. That'll finish it up...but in the process may finish us up too. Maybe/Maybe not, but there won't be much left for the rest of the *Axis of Evil (tm)* if we're planning on keeping up one city at a time tactic. And I love this new *Triangle of Death*...isn't that Bermuda???? And I highly doubt Baghdad is just a purposeful "distraction" from Falluja...perhaps a relocation, but not a distraction.
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dolcevita
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More from the *Triangle of Death (tm)* These hideously ridiculous cliche names are seriously uncalled for. Whose job is this? I want that job. Sitting around all day finding ways to relegate everything to broad statements of enemy lines and morality. Axis of Evil? Coalition of the Willing? Triangle of Death? Wanted Dead or Alive? Playing Cards????? That is one sweet pr job.
anyways,
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/international/middleeast/
24iraq.html?hp&ex=1101358800&en=f48b0702c4eebe4e&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote:
U.S. Expanding Iraqi Offensive in Violent Area
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 23 - Thousands of American, British and Iraqi troops began a new offensive sweep on Tuesday across a region south of Baghdad known as the triangle of death. The area earned its fearsome reputation as a haven for thieves, killers, crime families and terrorists, as well as insurgents who fled Falluja before the fighting started there...
The so-called triangle of death, just north of the ruins of Babylon in Babil Province, is now best known for gruesome mass killings, insurgent hideouts, and ruthless attacks on Iraqi Army bases and police stations. But with the rousting of hundreds or possibly thousands of dedicated insurgents from Falluja before the American invasion and capture of the city last week, the role played by this area as a transit and resupply district for insurgents has become even more troublesome, Colonel Johnson said.
"We know that some of them headed in our direction before the Falluja battle," he said, citing intelligence reports. "We're going to try to isolate them. Then we're going to bounce all over. We're not going to hit just one area. We're going to hit a multiplicity of targets so that they have no safe haven that they can go to."...
I stand by what I said yesterday still. There has to be a better way of going about this than trying to raze each city one at a time. Everytime they enter a city all the civilians need to evacuate, and come home to nothing if they come home at all. Surely this is just creating sympathy and new willing supporters/fighters more than anything. The efficiency standard, for anyone that cares to go that route, is laughably low. Though I hate to do something like apply business model efficiency towards something like this, so I tend to discuss the former point more.
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dolcevita
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Big Surprise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/i
nternational/middleeast/07intell.html?hp&ex=1102482000&en=78f41ffc3ad43b8a&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote:
2 C.I.A. Reports Offer Warnings on Iraq's Path
WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 - A classified cable sent by the Central Intelligence Agency's station chief in Baghdad has warned that the situation in Iraq is deteriorating and may not rebound any time soon, according to government officials.
The cable, sent late last month as the officer ended a yearlong tour, presented a bleak assessment on matters of politics, economics and security, the officials said. They said its basic conclusions had been echoed in briefings presented by a senior C.I.A. official who recently visited Iraq...
...But over all, the officials described the station chief's cable in particular as an unvarnished assessment of the difficulties ahead in Iraq. They said it warned that the security situation was likely to get worse, including more violence and sectarian clashes, unless there were marked improvements soon on the part of the Iraqi government, in terms of its ability to assert authority and to build the economy.
Together, the appraisals, which follow several other such warnings from officials in Washington and in the field, were much more pessimistic than the public picture being offered by the Bush administration before the elections scheduled for Iraq next month, the officials said. The cable was sent to C.I.A. headquarters after American forces completed what military commanders have described as a significant victory, with the retaking of Falluja, a principal base of the Iraqi insurgency, in mid-November...
A separate, more formal, National Intelligence Estimate prepared in July and sent to the White House in August by American intelligence agencies also presented a dark forecast for Iraq's future through the end of 2005. Among three possible developments described in that document, the best case was tenuous stability and the worst case included a chain of events leading to civil war.
After news reports disclosed the existence of the National Intelligence Estimate, which also remains classified, President Bush initially dismissed the conclusions as nothing more than a guess. Since then, however, violence in Iraq has increased, including the recent formation of a Shiite militia intended to carry out attacks on Sunni militants...
So finally the suggestion is broached that the best way to eliminate violence isn't through clamping down with more guns. Not like we can anyways with lower enlistment and now the court case. Unfortunately I still don't think the situation is going to be calm enough for the elections. They're going to get pushed back, and its just going to lead to more implosion. Things perhaps that should have been anticipated? Nah...Bush has still written these conclusions off as shots in the dark, though it seems like the only person blindfolded right now is him. Re-evaluate.
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