Yes yes, where to start.


I hate this forum.

Hate coming to it.

I used to love this forum.

Loved coming to it.


What changed?

Well ... inability of people to follow the rules hasn't helped. There have been a few awful issues to deal with ... off the top of my head ... Maverikk issue ... Goldie issue ... Algren issue ... I believe those are the 3 most recent. There have been plenty more.

Yet that is standard. That I can deal with. Though the Mav going a little over the top in "The Site" was kind of taxing.


More so I just hate the general attitude of everyone here.

Everyone is so hateful, so negative, so antagonizing.

In short, this is a forum of snobs. I can't imagine being a guest and starting to post here, the task would seem so dunting. Everyone here knows so much about the BO, about cinema, and other things, that when someone says something that is ... stupid ... unfactual .. or other things. Everyone goes crazy. If I was a guest, and wanted to ask a question ... don't you think I would pick up on this, realize that if I say something stupid because I don't know any better, that I am going to get laughed at and berated?

Add to that the fact that people can't seem to discuss things civily here, and it had totally turned me off from any discussion contained in the forum. I am fairly certain I am not the only one. Many members have left. TonyMontana ... one of my favorite members ... is now gone. There are more. And it is because of this general attitude, this snob like quality, that this forum has. We are not a welcoming comunity, we are certainly not a community that random people want to become a part of ... and that is a shame.

Now add to that underhanded comments from others. Tim often complains, so does Ripper, so does Mav, so do many others.

Tim hates that this forum is not BOM. I understand that, I feel for him, but there is not much I can do. He does not offer anything in the nature of constructive criticism, just mindless criticism.

Ripper often reminds me how the converstaion has gone downhill, how this forum isn't what it used to be, and how she doesn't post nearly as much because of it. I understand that, I feel for her, but what can I do? Comments like these ust make me feel like a pricklike asshole. Make me feel inadequate as an admin, and make me feel like I should be doing more, yet I don't know how. Ripper never tells me how, never tries to help the situation by trying to generate new discussions. She is just content to remove herself from the problem and watch it crumble around itself.

Mav is quick to remind me of how I lack characther and values. How noone on the moderating staff is to be trusted. Berated with complaints and PM's constantly. Mav is generally a good guy, and as such has been able to move past most of the quarrels he has had with members here. For that I applaud him. However the quarrels did take place, the days I lost of my life dealing with the issues he threw at me will never come back, and neither will some of the members we lost because of it.

Mike Q. has taken a very strong stance against the smilies.



That was a fun message to get, especcially from someone who I respect and trust as a moderator. Really makes me wonder ... should I even be an Admin?

It is pretty unfair of me to single these people out.

I did it anyways.

They are simply examples, examples of the things that bother me, the things that have irritated me to the point where I simply want to close this forum for good. I don't care that I should have never made this thread. I don't care that it is idiotic of me to do so. I simply no longer care.

It would be easier for me if this forum didn't exist. It has taken something I love, and turned it into something I despise.

Fuck the world.

Fuck cinema.

Viva la Revolution.

I'm gone for a while.

Peace Eagle

First of all, thanks for expressing yourself. Appreciate it.

Secondly, if you have a problem with me as a person or a moderator, you can speak directly to me. I will gladly step down if that is what you think is best.

PEACE, Mike.

TonyMontana left?

What? When?


It's all bABA's fault.

Mike, I don't think that that is what Eagle is getting at. I would dare to say that he respects you and believes in your ability to moderate. It is not a singular issuue at all. Eagle feels overwhelmed at the moment. He is conflicted with feeling that he has invested so much, but that is not enough to many members here. He is venting, and I think we should just allow him that without taking it as a personal jab.

WEll, I actually didn't know so many people were discontented by this forum or at least still preferred BOM's.
I have to admit it was a hard transition from one forum to another, but eventually, I think this one really got ahead and beat BOM's forum.

I think everyone should help make this a better forum, but I am in no place to tell people what to do or what not do. I think the best thing to do right now is respect each other and not get too upset over some very trivial things.

This forum is comprised of a group of people, different ages, different backgrounds, that wanted to strike up conversations and talk about movies and personal lives. Some of us have been posting together for 3 years! That's a long time. I think I know some of these posters better than some of my old friends. I'd love to meet alot of you, all of you in fact, and that way take our friendships to other levels.

I don't think this is a place and time to complain... we all need to compromise. Don't let such a great thing go to waste like it once almost did.... and remeber after the biggest fallout, this was the site that brought us all back together!

No, no hard feelings at all. I just want to let him know, if he is displeased with the way I have carried myself, and feels it better I were not a moderator, than I will gladly step down. I'm glad he spoke his mind. That is what I have wanted.

PEACE, Mike

So ummmm, you know what I haven't had in awhile...Big League Chew.

What? When did this all happen?

Tonymontana is GONE!? WTF this sucks

I should say that the BOM Crowd are a fickle and demanding bunch of assholes. And they know fine well that they are too - and im surprised KJ has sustained them for as long as it has. People really showed no real appreciation to Amit when they wrecked dailysmile either.

I still fail to see why BOM was so beloved. It was a tense, irritated and vicious environment - and sure here the bad characters seem to consume the site when they speak - but when youve got a lax policy on moderation thats what youll get. But if you step up your policy too much youll get people claiming your turning into Sean.
Its a no win situation I guess.

I usually don't comment in threads like these, cause they make me itchy, but COME ON PEOPLE!

What's with all the whining? Ok, so the smilies aren't the same and many don't like them. I know I don't. Big friggin' deal. I posted a website where you can easily get the a lot more smilies from and Eagle said many times that if you give him an emoticon an a shortcut to make it, he'll add it. We even have a bABA emoticon.

And Eagle, I think you are way too involved in this website. Don't take this as an offense, but you're overanalyzing these little mundane details that are of no consequence in the grand scheme of things. I seriously can't believe how much time and energy you and others wasted on Maverikk. Take the hands off approach, and the issue goes away within a matter of days, cause nobody cares about Maverikk's insecurities (except him, maybe). Make a bunch of threads about it - and guess what, it becomes a major headache.

If you want to attract many new users to the website, then this website has to have something original to offer. Galia's our best reviewer (in my opinion, anyway) - make her reviews more prominent. loyal writes hilarious stuff - make that the first thing people see when they come to the website. You shouldn't encourage equality over quality; and you shouldn't pay much attention to the drama queens either.

Sorry to go off on a rant like that, but if you're going to get yourself worked up like that, then it's going to take away from your poker game. And we don't want that to happen

Moving this from another thread...

I'm glad to see that some other people agree with me, as I thought I was alone in sensing a lot of random whining from people who really have no business to be doing such.

I'm not saying I'm perfect, and I'm sure I've caused my share of problems, and I'll try to remove the board from my eye first...Wink

But I just don't see how a bunch of smilies can be such a huge deal? Really, they aren't that big of a deal and if Eagle wants to change them, so what? It's his forum, he pays for it, so what? Is it reason enough to go throw a huge fit and write ranting posts in a thread...absofuckinglutely not, excuse my language but I feel very strongly about this.

I know I've not been here long, so I really don't feel a part of any of the "cliques" or whatever, which is cool. In fact it gives me a chance to sort of step-back and look at things. Shit, the whole reason I started coming here was because Eagle offered me space to post my reviews so that if someday I wanted to actually do it more professionally, I would have a portfolio of my previous work (eh-hem, until he lost some...Wink ) <-- That was a sarcastic remark...

Anyway, the very fact that he did that made me give him some respect. Now, he runs this forum and such plus is a student, which believe me I know is killer. And what does he get? A few people (bABA, Miruvor, myself...etc...) who stand up for him, and 100 other people who whine and complain constantly.

Pfft, if I were Eagle I would have shut the site down months ago.

Michael relax. I am sure that there were events that took place that took there toll on him. I would like to believe he will return after a long hiatus. There is a bigger issue here before us now though.

Yes, I am content to remove myself from the situation. If I knew how to make it better I owuld, but the simple fact is I don't find myself compelled to post. Alost of the members whose posts I enjoy the most don't post that often or at all. At forum not everyone is going to like everyone else, rather then fight with the people I don't like, I choose to ignore their posts and threads. For a long time I choose to keep any and all complaints I had to myself but I was encouraged by other people to speal. I am by nature a more critical person, I am not the type to sing praises everyday, if I don't mention something then I think it is working well. I speak up when I think things need changing. I cannot help it the forum no longer holds my interest. I don't go to the movies that often and I don;t own a tv anymore, so alot of the forums generate discussion that I have nothing to add to. I stand by the, if you ahv enothing funny or interesting to say then don;t say anything at all. The only forums I do go into on a regular basis are theWater Cooler and Everyone's a Critic. The latter forumc an gte annoying because all two often the threads have more posts about how a perosn is going to see a movi enad less about posting reiviewsor commments ot reivews, still I like discussing movies in that forum. The former, well it goes back to my comment about not being very close to most of the regular posters. Most of the regular posters who I enjoyed the most either don't post at all or barely post, these were the people who I would engage in conversation with an who kept me interested in being here.

I respsect all the time and effort you and others put into this forum, I know exactly how much effort it takes. I would never take on that level of responsiblity for just that reason, at the same time even though Iamthankful and respectively you choose to take this on, how many times must I tell you I see how much work goes into the forum and its a sacrfrice. You know behind the scenes I have done my best to help out when problems occur, I have been a good friend of mav for along time and wheneve rissues with him came up I have always talked to him and tried to smooth things over ( like with loyal). It is not as if I stnad by here and do nothing. I do the things that are within my ability, and I do them without discussiing them openly, because they need ot be done. I have no authority here, nor do I want any. I don't have the time/moeny for that level of commitment.

I have always wondered about the monetary and time investment for this site, it is something that should have been brought up and discussed from the get go, not something to be brought up whe there is aproblem. You have every right to expect/ask core members to contribute more to the forum, I've done my best to stay out of trouble, voice concenrs whne I felt it was important or was encouraged to do so, and tried to help out with any issues that I could. I am not going to be one fo the big contributors to the forum, i split my online time between here and RT, and I don't spend that much time online anymore. We all have lives outside the forum, and mine leaves me little itme or interest for being online, some of that comes from alack of interest in being on forums in general some of it comes from a lack ofinterest in mvoies and some of it comes from a lack of interest in being here. I have never been a thread starter, a review writer or anything like that, that is not going to change. Truthfully the internet tends to bore me know and I really only go to forums for private messages and things like movie night threads.

I suggest a pacifier for all the crybabies in the forum

Issue solved

I need all the Garner loving allies on this site i can get

All i can suggest is coming down harder on the people who are making this site a lesser place.
Don't take crap. The "lax" moderation policy is clearly whats causing the main frustrations both for staff and forum members - resolve that and everything else will click.

NF7 is not BOM, but its not KJ either. If you come on there to cause trouble your ass is so banned and certain KJ members know that -bottom line i dont care. There its such a clammy environ that one person can basically ruin the forums. The same is true here ; one person CAN ruin the experience of KJ - but they are being allowed to time and time again. My only suggestion is to crack down on people who are causing the arguments.

Except me. Because everyone secretly loves me.

Its all in the bible,even the downfall of WOKJ.

TonyMontana's departure has left me in a bit of a funk. The fact that it's tied to another poster's antics makes me so angry I could puke.

Why did Tony leave?

When does Tim "mindlessly criticize" this board? I haven't seen much - he's an optimistic person. unless he's writing something serious (which, thus, wouldn't be mindless), he's always got a positive tone.

Ripper does leave the boards a lot, but she's quiet about it. She tells one of the mods/posters, and her comments spread. I don't think she ever intends for it to be public. I only remember one time where it was: the gold stars.

Almost every moderator warned you about Maverikk. He can't move past the quarrels - if he did, why do they come back? I'm not trying to diss Mav here, but Eagle, has Mav ever changed for the better in the long run? A benevolent Maverikk lasts a few days. The instant someone says something semi-insensitive, though, Mav lashes out on e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e. I don't want to try and explain his behavior, but that's my assumption.

It also isn't fair for you to blame your developing contempt for these message boards on a change in our attitude towards posters. Maybe you hold some grudges with some people or maybe you're just bored with the discussion. Some of the people here are snobs - myself included - but this has been here since the very first day (think about why we came here, after all, and what our first posts were all about). It's nothing new. It sounds like an excuse for a new internal feeling you have.

Perhaps it's just my way of thinking, but I prefer being told what someone thinks of me, directly. I've had enough problems throughout life with people talking behind my back that it's something I do want to avoid, especially on a website. I don't hold any grudges for how Mike addressed you - in fact, I'd prefer it. I commend you for doing the same.

Maverikk, i think.

I really have no idea what's going on. Eagle hates everyone. Rogue hates everyone. Everybody loves Raymond. IT'S INSANE.

yup

Which were meant in jest, sometimes a person has to be able to make fun of themselves. I started that thread in fun for like a week rather then full on bitch about the little things that happen on this forum that can drive me insane. To make a joke about to users who i felt could handle it just makes it easier not to get annoyed.

Oh well, in the end, what I said is true the Internet bores, so irregardless of the outcome of this thread my lack of psoting oflate will continue it may go to not posting at all or rarley, I have no idea. I don't make threads about such things because I find them irriating.

Did I bring up monetary problems at all Ripper?



No.

That is not a problem, not an issue, and I never mentioned it once.

Your reasons for not posting as much are completly valid, and I understand them.

My problem comes with the sly comments you throw about here and there. Glad I don't post as much anymore. The Discussion has really gone downhill!

You never do anything to better the situation, which is totally fine, yet you are content to throw your jabs at the forum. I don't understand. If you don't like the way things are, try and change them, but why just complain when it serves no purpose.

Perhaps Sean Saulsbury is behind all of this?

Okidokie, I'll ask Maverikk about it, if anyone else has more deitals, I;d like know here or via pm.