While I admire Kaysar's attempt to keep his group intact, I highly doubt Maggie is going to believe him, when he already told Eric that he would not put him up if he got HOH. I only know that because they aired the damn clip about ten times in one show. If Maggie puts up someone on her side, it will be incredible and a miracle, but she still would have to convince the others to vote off that person, and that's an even slimmer chance.

Did April have sex with everyone at K-Mart or something? "Here, Sarah, a cake shaped like a lump of coal. Very symbolic. Happy b-day. And April... HOLY COW, IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY! *alarms go off, confetti falls from the ceiling as everyone sings Happy Birthday* Here, we got you a camera, a printer, a new car, the million dollar cash prize, a boat, your own country, and you now own NASA!

... oh, Sarah. Umm... well, we got you all that stuff, too. It's, umm... it wasn't ready then, so... we'll have it for you... sometime."

Houseguests in Order of Preference

1. Kaysar
2. Janelle
3. Howie
4. Rachel
5. ...

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Wow.

Spoilers, for anyone who didn't read any previous posts.

I cannot choose one moron over the other. Ivette is loud and obnoxious. Maggie is Eric in female form. She'll come to prove it, I'm sure. James and Sarah are leeching scum. "Oh, let's abandon the people who saved us for people who wanted us out!" Do they honestly think they'll be able to get anywhere higher than 6th and 7th? Please. Don't make me giggle. Beau, April and Jennifer do not deserve a spot in that house. They float along, and one of them will likely win the whole game. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing any of those three will win, when they aren't even playing any sort of a game. Anyone can go in a house, keep their mouth shut, and make it to the end. It takes true skill to be a leader and win the game. Tom from Survivor proves it can be done.

As for Rachel, Howie, Janelle and Kaysar... it saddens me to see any of them go, but I know they will, and I hope so much that Howie, Janelle and Rachel stick together if Kaysar goes. It would rock so much if they could be the final three. If Kaysar was final four, even better! So, James and Sarah are far out of my top four, and down in my bottom four with Ivette and Maggie... and April... and Jennifer and Beau. God, this sucks so damn much.

My brother actually asked me if this show could be rigged. Please. Between this, Amazing Race and Survivor, I know for a fact these shows aren't rigged. Know why? Count up all the "below-the-radar" morons who won any of these games, and you'll realize they aren't rigged. If they were, don't you think CBS would be trying to get fan favorites to win? Or, at least they would pick strong players.

I can't speak for Amazing Race, as Season 7 was my first season to actually watch. But, I can name so many people who won Survivor or Big Brother who didn't even deserve the final four spot. Big Brother: Jun, Drew, and Eddie. Three out of five. Big Brother 1 was an experimental mess, and I don't think Eddie deserved to win at all. In fact, none of them did. I remember that game as a half hour/hour episode of life each night. Nothing ever happened. Jun deserving? Yeah, right. And Drew did nothing to win. Of all the four horsemen (meatheads), he deserved to win the least.

Survivor: Tina, Vecepia, Jenna Morasca, Sandra, and Chris. Tina was just lucky to have won. She didn't piss anyone off, but she never stood up either. Of that final four (Keith, Colby and Elisabeth included), Tina deserved it the least. Vecepia? Don't remember her? Don't blame you. Jenna was lucky that she won immunity in the last show. Mind you, I wanted her to win, but she didn't deserve it. Sandra... yeah, right. In the Pearl Islands, I can name a few people who deserved it more (based on gameplay): Andrew, Rupert, Jonny Fairplay and Ryan O. Only one of those made it to the final four. And Chris? He survived six women because he was a pawn to all of them. A figure that was harmless. He plays it off like he controlled them, but he didn't. He got incredibly lucky.

You can see how there's a lot pissing me off right now. Sorry for ranting.

Argh, more rambling, more white text just in case:

Julie Chen has been hinting that someone is going back in that house. It would rock so much of Kaysar went back in, if he was voted out this week, wouldn't it? God, if he goes this week, I hope he gets to come back in the house.

Maggie doesn't have to actually get anyone on her side to vote for the person she puts up on that side. She just needs the votes from the outcasts, which she would easily get. Although I agree, it's not likely at all that Maggie would take this deal. Although it is still an interesting, somewhat attractive deal. Kaysar is really smart at thinking of things. Maggie should know that once she is no longer HOH, and then an outcast wins HOH for the next week, that Maggie is easily on the line. If she put up one of her own and voted them out, and she were safe until all of April, Beau, Ivette, and Jennifer were out, it might be a really smart choice. Otherwise, she is pretty much guaranteed to go earlier, unless the idiots (Ivette and gang) somehow win HOH every week until then, which is not likely, in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if Kaysar stuck to his word, because he's still getting out the people he needs to get out.

I think I'm just being too naive, but still, this deal excites me. If Maggie puts up one of her own.... wow... I will temporarily LOVE her. A lot. I'll just try and be happy until the veto ceremony. This at least adds another dimension, even if it is highly unlikely Maggie puts up one of her own. I need to HOPE!!!

PEACE, Mike

Response to MikeQ.

Yep, you have to have hope. I do. I just see it pessimistically most times.

When is the veto ceremony, anyway?

Tuesday!

By the way, my favourites order list at the moment:

1. Janelle
2. Howie
3. Kaysar
4. Rachel
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5. Sarah
6. James
7. Jennifer
8. Maggie
9. April
10. Beau
11. Ivette

Maggie has moved up back to her regular spot now that the shock and hatred over her winning HOH has lessened. She was just doing what she had to do. Overall, Beau and Ivette are far and away the most obnoxious, annoying, and "cocky-without-having-any-leadership-skills-and-following-Maggie-around-like-dogs".

Jennifer is at #7 since she's just such a floater. I can't hate her, because she is pretty much edited out of the show. She has no personality, and thus no personality to hate. Sarah and James are still in the usual places, but have gone down in merit for those places.

PEACE, Mike

In the house, Veto ceremony is tomorrow.

Also, SPOILERS

Luxury comp! They left quarters all over the house and when each one of them put one in the gumball machine, Howie, Rachel, Maggie, Ivette, and Beau, and Sarah won "MOVIE PASSES." Now the six of them need to split into two groups and they're going to compete for which team gets to go to the movies. The movie they are going to see is FOUR BROTHERS, I believe, because they were talking about Andre 3000 and, "Oh, that's why they played 'Hey Ya' this morning."

Luxury comp spoiler

They played "Hey Ya"? Awesome. Imagine hearing that out of nowhere in the Big Brother house.

They always play music in the morning to wake them up.

Really? Cool. I did not know that. Thanks for the info!

Spoilers

Howie gave his movie pass to Jennifer.

Just a note to everyone. People on Big Brother boards have been enraged because of the antics of Ivette. I thougt I'd let yo uknow things I, and others, have heard on the live feeds just so you guys know because CBS does not choose to air it.

Ivette, from the beginning, has been calling Kaysar a "carpet flyer," "camel jockey", "sand nigger" and "the Devil." She also said that she hopes, when he dies, that he is thousands of feet away from allah. Just a few days ago, she started comparing him to Osama, saying that Kaysar has convinced people to do what he wants, jsut in the same way that Osama convinced people to kill themselves by flying into the Twin Towers. She has compared him to Osama many times, and also compared him to suicide bombers.

I just thought you guys would like to know this, because it is really pissing me the fuck off that they don't portray these comments on television, instead acting like shes an angel.

Wow. Just wow. If someone told me just thirty seconds ago that it was possible to hate Ivette more, I would have laughed uncontrollably. But... this would have proved me wrong.

I don't hate Ivette. I LOATHE Ivette. I would take Eric back, along with Jase, Scott, Cowboy, Drew, Jun, The Three Stooges (Robert, Justin, and that other guy who dated Jun), and the entire first season cast, if I could just go without Ivette for one episode.

I would cut out my own eyeballs just so she wouldn't appear on the show for a week.

You can see where I'm going with this.

Spoilers

Luxury comp over. Sarah, Jennifer, and Rachel won the spot to see Four Brothers. The competition was that there was a big board full of light bulb holes. There are lightbulbs in popcorns boxes and you have to screw the lightbulbs in until they light up. It had to spell out a word, and when you fully spelled it out, you had to hit a button to win.

Spazette may be loud and obnoxious, but there is no way in hell that she makes Alison from BB4 look like an angel. Alison made fun of almost every person in the house (in an under-the-belt kinda way), had no loyalties, and dissed Robert's 5-year old daughter on the air. She will forever be etched as the ultimate hated Big Brother contestant for me. FOREVER.

In Spazette's defence though, I must admit that she's a loyal ally. She never once betrayed anyone in the house (not that I'm aware of at least) and she would have fought to the bitter end for Eric. Plus, she does a few memorable one-liners every now and then and she is kinda fun to watch in a "how is she going to push my buttons next" sort of way.

And BTW, those comments she said about Kaysar, did anyone here actually hear them first hand or is this just chat-room hearsay?

Um, I heard her say EACH and EVERY one of those comments. She was sitting with April in the HoH bathroom and she said, "You know how Osama convinced all those people to kill themselves? Well what do you think Kaysar's doing--" and then the feed cut off so we couldn't hear the rest of what she said. Then today, she was laying in the HoH bed, and she said that Kaysar is like a suicide bomber and they cut the feed away again. Then, when Eric was still in the house, the "Core" was all sitting on the hammock and Ivette was going on abotu his religion, calling it a hoax, and Kaysar came out and she goes, "Oh, look the Devil is coming." Then after he left, she said she hopes when he dies that he ends up thousands of feet away from allah because someone as evil as he is doesn't deserve anything good. I've heard her call him a camel rider -- she infact said it in one of the shows -- i caught that before i heard it again on the feeds. She calls him a carpet flyer all the time and she calls him a sand nigger with April while April calls him Saddam.

Ali has NEVER said ANYTHING as evil as the shit that spews out of Ivettes mouth. And just because she had no loyalties doesn't make her a bad player. It's a game, realize that. You have to play with a strategy to get to the end. Ooo, she had no allies, but guess what -- she made it to second place, along with Jun who did the SAME thing as her, dissed Robert's daughter as well, and played both sides and tried to stay out of the spotlight by being the cook.

You are always very doubtful about what I say goes on on the feeds. I suggest two things; skip the spoilers if you don't believe what I say, or go to other big brother sites so you can see for yourself how other people have heard her say these things. I suggest RealityBBQ which has a big message board, or Jokers Updates. In fact, on the reality bbq boards today, there was a big movement within all the members writing letters of complaint to CBS about them not airing these commetns were making -- this whole little movement occured there after we heard on the feeds Ivette comparing him to Osama for the secodn time in the past two days, and then tryign to compare him to a suicide bomber. They're writing letters complaining that Ivette says these evil things and BB does not reprimand her, and allows her to go on completely bashing Kaysar and his religion. They're writing to make Big Brother show her as who she truly is, instead of trying to paint her in a positive light. It's especially upsetting because Erika from BB4 made ONE comment about Jee, saying he just got off the boat, and not only did big brother AIR it, even though Erika felt horrible about it, but they had her apologize to Jee and tell her what she had said. Yet Ivette compares Kaysar to Osama, who tore our nation apart on September 11th, and they don't say shit. Or, a third tip: get the feeds yourself since you don't believe me.

Alison was just a typical teenage girl in BB4, yet she was already past her teen years (probably in her late 20s now). Ivette should know better, but doesn't.

After watching Saturday's show, I see they edit the show to really make it look like the "Circle" don't really know what to do with their power. Maggie is really, really laying it on too thick, acting intelligent. I know she's smart, but she's just going overboard with her "I'm smarter than you, and I'm six steps ahead... no wait, seven steps ahead of you."

I don't know whether to read the Veto spoilers today or not. It's going to be tempting.

Ok man, first off, let's take a chill pill. This is Big Brother, not life. :wink:

I didn't say I didn't believe you, I was just asking if anyone heard her say all of what was mentioned above. People sometimes tend to exagerate and reading stuff like this second hand isn't always reliable (not that I think your making it up, it's just I was thinking that maybe you sourced it from a message board and not the actual feeds).

Second, have you ever considered that maybe airing the comments about Osama on the air could be perceived as tasteless TV? If I were the producer of the show, I would not want the viewers to be subjected to some broad dishing out shit about 9/11, Osama, and the religion of Islam. Do you have any idea how bad the backlash could be? You mentioned the letters being sent in by the people who watch the feeds, could you imagine the outrage if the comments reached the millions of people who watch the show?? It could not only tarnish Ivette's reputation, but it could spell bad PR for the show in general.

And with the Alison thing, I didn't say she was a bad player, I just said that she was my least favorite Big Brother contestant of all-time. :grin:

Oh, and on that note, maybe you should lay off James for stabbing his alliance in the back. He's just doing what's best for his interests. It's a game, realize that. :wink:

Yeah I don't know what's with some of these people this year. Last week we had Kaysar and James acting all contemptuous and bragging about how they've out-witted everyone. And now, well, look where it's landed them

No one is saying to air those exact comments. The point is for them to stop portraying her as a compassionate person who cares about people when she's not really like that. No one is saying, "Show her calling him Osama," they're saying show her for who she truly is. The HGs sign a contract stating that BB can put anything they say on the air -- so why be so afraid to show her for who she really is?



Second, I was not attacking James in any way. Just in the way YOU were saying how you HATE Ali for having no loyalties, for talking shit, blah blah, I was saying the same thing about James. If it's okay for you to say it, it's damn sure okay for me to say it, too. And another thing, it's not his "best interests" and anyone with half a brain would realize that. ESPECIALLY since (SPOILERS) both sides agreed yesterday to come together no matter who wins HoH and get James out b/c April sat down with Kaysar and told Kaysar everything Sarah and James did to try and avoid being nominated. Whether that will happen or not, who knows, but Howie/Janelle/Rachel already stopped talking strategy with James/Sarah and know he can't be trusted, and Maggie and her group already are planning how to nominate them so he goes home. If that's his best interest, that's funny. He would have been better off not saying anything to Maggie because he would still have his group behind him, and Sarah would have won the veto for him anyway.

Oh, Spoilers about yesterdays veto ceremony:

Sarah took James off, Janelle went up.

It's like what I said. If they did show her for who she really is, than they risk having 4 million Big Brother viewers simultaniously turn their TV sets to another station. There's a difference between conflict that's fun to watch and conflict that makes you feel uncomfortable.



Let me rephrase what I said: He's just doing what he THINKS is in his best interests.

Anyway, the beef I had was Allison was not so much how she played the game, but the manner in which she behaved. The way she and Nathan behaved together just made my skin crawl. The immature comments she made towards the other contestants...heck the comments she made towards anthing where mind-numbing in their annoyance. Having to see her fat, ugly mug on the TV set for every week until the bitter end was such a liability for that particular season.

Ugh. I hate Ivette. It's hilarious that she thinks SHE is on the good side. Wrong, you dumb bastard.

If Kaysar goes home, which is likely, I hope the twist is that someone is coming back, and that he waltzes right back into the house, wins HOH, and evicts Maggie, then Ivette.

I just hope to God that the twist isn't bringing back America's Choice, which they're doing this week. That would suck.

You mean if it was "America's Choice" on who comes back? That would actually be awesome, because then it would be pretty much guaranteed that either Kaysar or Michael is coming back in the house. Just look at the popularity polls. Then there is still Ashlea, who is Janelle's partner, so if Ashlea managed to be voted back in, she would go straight to Janelle and work for the good side.

PEACE, Mike