AOC has some strengths in that she actually has real beliefs and is on the shortlist of politicians who understand social media messaging, but since she's too far left there is a good chance of a blowout against her.

I tend to agree with this. I think the moment for an AOC type or Sanders type win was 2016.

But times are and will change, that she will have no chance now and not even in 10 years seems right, but let's say by 2040, with her being a veteran by then, I can see her being in a good position to compete for the presidency.

Liberals will never learn

You get a pass because you're not American, but actual American liberals really do think like this. They just keep kidding themselves that everyone in their country is like them, and that everybody wants a female leader (they don't!). For AOC to win she will need to go back in time, change her heritage and her gender.

It’s amazing Trump has lived this long with the drugs & that diet

I think it'll happen when both candidates are female. If Trump didn't turn his head this election probably would've been Haley defeating Harris.

A Republican woman could easily beat a democrat man. With a democrat woman it’s an uphill battle since none of them have charisma besides maybe Gretchen Whitmer with that charming midwestern Accent. Or maybe Amy Klobuchar.

Wes Moore with friendly populist message. AOC maybe could be VP only if Shapiro says no.

If Shapiro is still even remotely popular by early 2028, the guy has to be on the Dem ticket, period.

Chance of running vs chance of winning primary

Shapiro - Chance of running A, chance of winning B, total: A-/B+
Newsom - Chance of running A, chance of winning C, total: B
Beshear - Chance of running A, chance of winning C, total: B
Whitmer - Chance of running A, chance of winning C, total: B
Moore - Chance of running B, chance of winning B, total: B
Walz - Chance of running B, chance of winning B, total: B
Pritzker - Chance of running B, chance of winning C, total: B-/C+
Buttigieg - Chance of running B, chance of winning D, total: C
AOC - Chance of running D, chance of winning B, total: C
Michelle - Chance of running F, chance of winning A, total: C
Harris - Chance of running D, chance of winning C, total: C-/D+

Shapiro is probably the best overall odds because he is a shoo-in to run which you can’t say for a lot of these candidate and is a better candidate than other ones that are like Newsom (Whitmer is downgraded because I think they would get cold feet at nominating yet another female).

Newsom is incredibly unlikable he would surely lose

Shack your odds for Kamala are way too low. If she decides to run, I think she instantly becomes the favorite. She created a ton of fans in 2024.

Re: Newsome yeah for real nobody wants a slick corporate Claifornia liberal. Shapiro might be little slick for the 2028 mood. They need someone who feels real and feels authentic. Yes it sadly 100% meeds to be a guy.

Of the candidates listed, 100% think Wes Moore is the most clear and obvious break. Just a totally different vibe from him. A combo ticket of Wes Moore/Josh Shapiro or Wes Moore/Gretchen Whitmer is almost too predictable.

She lost by too much, it'd be like if Kerry or Romney had been nominees again, nobody wants it. She could be governor of California after Newsom though.

LOL no

Harris didn't spend 2 years campaigning like Kerry did. Gore likely wins in 2020. Harris is not a normal losing candidate.

I think Harris is damaged goods. She is not the leader of a movement like Trump is and I think she only wins if Trump tanks the economy again

I live in Pennsylvania and Shapiro is INCREDIBLY popular here. If Harris had chosen him she wins PA easily, and he’d probably win PA in 2028 easily as well.

Shapiro-Whitmer: Revenge of the Dems

Wes Moore remains my fave. He needs to intentionally take an unconventional path.

He should spend 2025 and 2026 on all the podcasts, avoid any of these SOTU response type of things.

The mainstream media has changed over the last eight years in that Fox News and X and Joe Rogan and Tik Tokmare the biggest names in media these days. The Right has taken over media. If the Left wants any hope they need to push more into social media in meaningful ways. Right now it is littered with Russian bots and conspiracy theorists and the Alt Right.

Stephen A. Smith would actually be the strongest candidate for the Dems in attracting the male vote,

Newsom, Harris, Walz, AOC, and Warren would all be very weak dem candidates the DNC should sabotage them in the primaries if they want to win.

I see they've created a new "name" in Jasmine Crockett but it's mostly for the AOC audience.

There is a real pulbable energy to fight Trump’s New World Order and to restore rule of law above all in this country that can appeal to the middle ground. I think the Dems know this and the smart ones will let Trump’s incompetency land flat on his face and bring back swing voters into their fold. The Dems need to move away from the college elitism Lefty shit and pull for a pro lowercase democracy push

New World Order? More like American Order. People only suggest otherwise because Trump is supposed to lead a “superpower”. I don’t expect Trump’s geopolitical games to be permanent btw.

Anyway, “Rule of Law” (as anything but a local, temporary, or contingent phenomenon) is completely, totally, and permanently finished. It’s only possible future is subject to the “laws” of nature.

I’ll just be concise because my participation in this political forum is nearing the end. I say this with the understanding that there’s nothing you can do to interfere or stop me whatsoever. Your opinion is simply irrelevant as far as I need be concerned. You keep replying because you fail to appreciate how dependent you are on my pity and patience. Once I address a topic seriously, that is the end of the issue, and you should consider yourself warned. If your opinions or statements violate my rules, there will be severe consequences, and you will be hopeless, powerless, and unable to do anything about it whatsoever. You can deny or think what you want, but you can’t expect tolerance, or any right to have an opinion on matters concerning my species.

The limited and simplistic understanding, intelligence, consciousness, and conscience of other species of Hominid makes you fundamentally unqualified to have valid or relevant opinions to my species.

It appears there is going to be a major shake up in the Democrats. A personal shame for me as I kinda liked this hybrid Old Republican/Moderate Democrat hybrid, but is makes sense. The days of identity politics being the focus of Democrats winning message is over in place of a new more populist movement. I expect Walz to be the nominee in 2028