I don't get why The CW would cancel it, though. They have only three shows that are actually doing better...

iZombie gets Jane the Virgin and Vampire Diaries ratings, but considering The Flash as its lead in, while Jane had Crazy Ex Girlfriend before it and Vampire Diaries goes against Big Bang and Shonda, I think its performance was worse then either, and Jane has other reasons to prefer it over iZombie as the network's most acclaimed show and is on the CBS side. The Originals is below iZombie but breaks the syndication mark with S4 renewal and if you are going to keep the Originals you should keep Vampire Diaries (in other news, The Vampire Diaries and The Originals are moving to Friday). Overall IMO everything but CEG and Reign was > iZombie

As far as I remember, "iZombie" never went below 0.5 in the demo this season, whereas "Jane the Virgin" has reached 0.5 only once. Same for "The Originals", think. "iZombie's" highest demo this season was 0.7. Not a single "TVD", "The Originals" or "Jane" episodes has reached that this season, I believe.

You're right that it's more ahead of Jane the Virgin than I thought, as I had just looked at Jane's last rating to judge it instead of the average. Their averages this season are .41 for Jane to .56 for iZombie to .57 to Vampire. That .15 is a non negligible difference by CW standards, but iZombie has a 5x bigger lead in and Jane has critics and being the highest rated CBS show on its side and they would have no Monday shows without it either, so it's not a surprise to me it beat iZombie at all even with those rating averages

@TVGrimReaper must be a moron then. It's not getting canceled. Does better than most of their shows. And getting MORE episodes is a good thing. If they were thinking of ending it I doubt they'd increase the episode order.

CW has a policy of giving their shows a proper conclusion. Maybe this is what they were given to work with to finish the show? Also iZombie had a shortened first season. With a shortened second season it's doubtful CW is thinking longterm with the show. Considering it's very low rated it can't go on for 3 more season which it would need to get the episodes for syndication.

Also The Flash is helping the show a lot. Other similar or slightly lower rated shows don't have that benefit. And they will keep Jane no matter the ratings. It's their first proper show with some awards visibility. That one is staying. And the fact that CW renewed nearly all of their shows last season means what? They obviously had a pretty poor development slate. Maybe they have a stronger one this season and they will cancel more shows?

Given any recent news, it does not appear that The CW is gonna have a blockbuster slate coming up.

Also "The 100" had a shortened second season as well and will have a shortened third season. So what does that mean?

Of course "The Flash" is helping "iZombie", but numbers are numbers. Do you think "The Vampire Diaries" or "The Originals" would be doing significantly better than "iZombie"'in the same slot?

The Vampire Diaries and The Originals' ratings will likely fall further in the spring once they move to Fridays in January.

Legends of Tomorrow and The 100 will air Thursdays instead.

For the record, I think CW will renew iZombie, at least in some capacity. I mean, they've kept Reign on the air for three seasons now.

I mean, iZombie doesn't do horribly. And it's a good show. It's fits the timeslot after Flash perfectly.

"The Vampire Diaries" should announce this as the final season. Nina Dobrev has already said she'd return for a series finale and I have no doubt the declining ratings this season have been because of her absence. The show itself is also doing a time jump plotline where it is flashing forward to three years in the future so it would make sense.

I think "The Originals" is probably good for one more season at least. It seems like every CW series that makes it past season 2 makes it to at least season 4 and gets a proper ending.

I'm really not worried about "iZombie." They clearly like Rob Thomas and want to remain in business with him and as everyone has already said the show isn't doing absolutely terrible or anything.

I'm not sure how much "Reign" costs to produce but I could easily see them renewing it for a fourth season and slotting it in the summer a la "Beauty and the Beast."

And you would know that how?


They would probably be better. For CW the term significantly is really relative as 0.1 bump from week to week could be up to 33% bump which sounds huge. But yes. Both of those show would do better than iZombie in its time slot.

I think The Flash, Arrow, Supernatural are definitive renewals due to their ratings. Also Jane the Virgin is the first show with any kind of awards visibility for The CW. They won't probably want to cancel it especially if it gets nominated for GG again (and maybe picks up another win, who knows?). I think they will bite the bullet on it for at least one (two?) more seasons.

That's 4 shows that are sure renewals for The CW IMHO.

Then we have The Vampire Diaries and The Originals. If they planned this as the last season for TVD I think they would already announce it. And considering it's still a show that does well overseas and more episodes mean more money from syndication I think it's also good for one more season (which I'm thinking will be the last). The Originals is in its third (full) season. So a fourth one will happen for sure. Hey! Syndication! Money! Also I have a feeling that TVD and TO will both get one more season.

So that's 6 shows which I'm thinking get renewed for sure on The CW.

The 7th one that will get renewed for sure is Legends of Tomorrow. Sure it still hasn't premiered, but considering The Flash and Arrow and how they both are in the deep green with both critics and audiences, I doubt LoT will break the streak.

We have iZombie, Reign, The 100 and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Crazy Ex is dead. No doubt about that. It does have great reviews, but it's dead in the ratings. And it doesn't have the buzz Jane had last year when it picked up at awards shows. Reign is in its third season. Today that pretty much means it's sure to be renewed for one more season at least. Even if it's abbreviated like Nikita's. The 100 has become The CW's midseason plug show obviously. If it keeps up its ratings (it was a very steady performer) it could get another half season maybe? Then we have iZombie. A show that unlike The 100 and Reign is in its second season. It has been given the best possible time slot as far as the lead-in goes and so far it has been only doing better than Crazy-Ex, Reign (which is a Friday show anyway and we all know those usually do the worst) and Jane. And the fact that iZombie and Crazy-Ex both got basically the same episode order, why do you think iZombie has more chances than Crazy-Ex for survival? As I said this looks to me like they just gave the writers time to finish off shows. That's it.

I actually think CW might quit Fridays next year. ANTM is ending which does leave an extra hour and gives these shows a little more room, but realistically does CW need Fridays anyway? They have problematic Monday and Thursday already.

I wished they liked him back when Veronica Mars was on.

That's kind of what I'm getting at. I don't think they would risk pissing off fans like that again.

I do wonder when "Containment" will premiere. The buzz on the pilot was good but I heard it was very off-brand for The CW.

"Jane" is safe as long as it keeps getting great reviews and awards buzz, plus Gina Rodriguez is becoming a pretty recognizable figure and has some bigger movies lined up (the female lead in Deepwater Horizon with Mark Wahlberg which she filmed during the first season hiatus and Annihilation with Natalie Portman from the Ex Machina director which is starting soon).

I don't think iZombie fans are anything like Veronica's. VM had lots of buzz and a very devoted fan base.

By being in the news reporting business and following their developments and trends, maybe?

It is also definitely doing better than "The Originals", no? And identical to TVD. So if you look at it from a different perspective: only three The CW shows are doing significantly better than "iZombie".

OK. Then you just tell us like it is.

Agree with most of that post axiom. Not only is iZombie getting the same treatment as Crazy Ex bad news in itself, but unlike say Mysteries of Laura, I think the context for cancelling it makes sense. iZombie may very well be 8th out of the 9 non ANTM shows currently on for CW, ahead of Crazy Ex, in reasons to renew it. Arrow, Flash, Supernatural, Jane the Virgin, Vampire Diaries and The Originals reasons have been covered. The other show is Reign. Reign S4 would get to syndication numbers and as a CBS show the WB/CBS imbalance may also help save it as Arrow, Flash, Supernatural, VD, Originals, iZombie, The 100, Legends are all WB shows, if they cancel Reign and Crazy Ex and BATB ends, CBS will only have Jane. The CBS imbalance is likely the main reason Beauty on the Beast survived despite historical trends suggesting it had no chance. Albeit Reign ending up in the summer rotation instead of fall is also a possibility. So iZombie is on the bottom of the pile and considering it got the same order plus an episode as Crazy-Ex, I don't see a reason to believe it's fate will be different

I highly doubt it. I believe they'd be delivering the same.



Well ditto to that.


Anyway, they wouldn't all-out cancel iZombie. I could see them maybe renewing it for shortened seasons but I don't see them ending it yet.

"Supergirl" has been picked up for 7 more episodes and will have a 20-episode first season.

By TVGrimReaper's logic "Supergirl" is as good as cancelled with this order.

I don't think it means that at all. If anything, it likely has more to do with high production costs than anything else.

At this point, it's still one of the higher rated CBS dramas, even at its recent levels.

I mean, I'm not saying it won't get canceled at the end of the season. It very well could. But I don't think this particular announcement means that necessarily.

I feel like CBS should just cancel it at the end of the season and hand it off to The CW, where it should've been in the first place.

It's definitely more a fit for The CW and I am actually pretty confident that if it does get cancelled they'll probably pick it up so it can officially tie in to the "Flash"/"Arrow"/"Legends of Tomorrow" universe.

TVGrimReaper is a waste of space.

It's not about <9 episodes in a vacuum as much as when the show expects 22 episodes, and then the network decides halfway through the season they're making less. eg. The Muppets got a shortened season but it wasn't as bad a sign cause apparently it was announced from the beginning it would be a "limited series" in length