I'm starting this thread at the request of a mod in another thread. It's to discuss moderator conduct and responsibilities, not to start pointing out names of mods that you are pissed at.

I'll preface this by saying that Libs and dolce are the most awesome mods on the planet, and I would support them abusing their powers anytime they were in the mood to do so, but that's just me. :mirrorbow:

The definition of Moderate: avoiding extremes, temperate, average, in the middle...

If anybody has issues with the way mods at KJ do their job, please list them here for discussion, just don't single out names and get a flame war going. If it's important enough to say a name, say it to an administrator via PM.

i have no problem with any mod, all of them are doing an excellent Job =D>

Gasp! Libs and Dolce?! BEST mods ever?! That award belongs to me and Tony Montana. They stole it. The meanies!

torrino sucks!

bABA tells me he's worth every dime, too. :Jump:

I've never had a problem with the moderators here. Maybe it's only me, though.

this forum has mods? o_0

I have a problem with KJ. He's too cool.

hmm.... subtle

babas a fukin tramp

:laugh:

he puts out waaaaaaaaaay to easy...

He is a tease too

Guys, please...

I think it's hard to make a point without hinting at the mod. But, that doesn't mean you guys can't do it. I personally don't care if people directly mention my name. I'd rather see someone open than having someone attempt to stay neutral when the person he or she is criticizing is quiiite obvious.

The moderating here is mostly invisible, and yet we know it must be going on because every unmoderated forum I've ever seen has quickly turned into a sewer.

So I think they are doing a good job overall.

Possibly this issue and thread is related to Libs locking threads in which guys tried to race her to posting the TV numbers? Just a guess but if that is where the complaints came from, they need to get a life and stop trying to race her. If she is gone for a few days or something, and it's obvious the numbers are not being posted as usual then sure step in to help out, but no need to try to create a contest out of who can race the mod to post the numbers.

No problems with any of the mods.

I especially enjoyed how Dolce handled the Oscar situation and I also liked how KJ handled the Sin City Thread hijacking (which i was a part of ).

I have no complaints..... so far :wink:

Ok, I'll put it out there. I think our *official warnings* mean zilch. I've never warned someone and not have it be thrown back in my face. What does that mean? It means people don't take them seriously, because they know we're not in a position to temp ban unless someone really toes the line about 1 trillion times.

Should there be guidelines? Lets say 5 warnings=1 temp ban? So that people realize when we say "You've been warned" we mean it? Would that hold people in place a bit? Do we want that? Just asking.

Language has been an issue. Me? I always placed an emphasis on content and context over form. I don't realy have to reiterate the point the now infamous "bicycle" comment doesn't actually have a swear in it, but is it more offense than saying "WTF, that movie was terrible." Previously I also remember reading a comment about someone getting their juvenile head out of their ass.....or something along those lines. Is that more offensive than saying, "Stop b******g about that movie"? If so, do you think we should be allowed to do something? Should it be under our discretion on if its offensive or not, or do we want to set up some peremters.

If this place grows, and we have 500 members, we're going to start getting some very random people. I'd prefer we speak as a forum on how to handle this before it happens. Really, it would make me feel better knowing this has been discussed with honest intentions than to think I'm doing stuff that is pissing off the entire board.

How about thread feeding? Spamming? Locking? Please feel free to discuss.

Eagle and bABA have known for a long time that our MODding situation isn't as I would have it, but what do you guys think. I originally wanted one-two different mods for each forum. Kind of like Libs in TV, Me and makeshift in Foreign.Indie, etc. That way those MODs would be responsible for feeding threads and watching their respective forums closely. I don't like how two or three of the mods here have to handle four forums. I just think its too draining and unfair. I don't MOD the review section, but I come in there often to update the thread archive because I realize Zingy is frantically runnning around trying to feed the Movies, BO, Cooler, and every other forum. bABA and Eagle thought it would feel too supervised, having basically as many MODs as memebers if the breakdown was as a suggested, and I see their point too. It would call for something like 20 MODs.

Anyways, I just noticed some people have expressed some frustration, and I'd like to know how it can be resolved to make this place better and more enjoyable for everyone. I hope this is a fairly technical thread in that sense. If someone has issues with one of the MODs, don't post it hear, send some other MOD you're most comfortable with the complaint and the reasons why (please have good reasons, or I'll have to shoot you). For this specific thread, I'd like it to be more about discussing the future of MODding here, so that we're ready to handle bigger masses, or at least able to appropriately handle the current numbers.

Thanks everyone for contributing.

Swearing - Has never bothered me, we do not cater to children, or try to invoke children to enter discussions. WHat I mean is tht we are not aiming to bring kids into the forum, we are mostly adults or young adults, and I think we can handle swearing. It is a forum of expression, and ultimatly just words.

Temp Bans and Warnings - We really take this on a case by case basis. Warnings may not seem like much, but if they are coming from me or Baba they really do. Even coming from a regular mod, if you have talked to me or baba about it and we told you to warn them, its the same difference. Me and baba have no problem temp banning people if we feel there actions warrent it. We will monitor things on a case by case basis, and deal with it as such, a warning i just a step away from banning, I think it carries alot of weight and am thankful we rarely have had to use it.

*sits in the back, like the clever old guy, rocking in his chair* We knew it was comin'... *pulls out the pipe*

... Well, it does feel like some town meeting.

When I was a mod at Box Office Mojo, I tried to make people happy. Did it always work? No. I don't recall getting any major "guff", if you will, but it's true that you can't please everyone. Most people can respect a figure with power. When newbies start coming here, they won't disobey the mods. Most people here are "old friends", so it's like we don't really care about the rules. We don't take them as seriously. We should.

What can be done? A lot of things. Rules need to be enforced. We can't have guidelines. The term "guidelines" is a meaningless term, with a meaningless definition. Basically, it says "We'd love you to abide by these rules, but if you don't want to... well shucks, that's okay, too!". Guidelines are hope. Really, they mean NOTHING. Rules, on the other hand, are enforcable and respected. If we had rules, I think things would turn out better for the people who have problems.

The problem people seem to have is comparing to BOM, without directly coming out and say it. Truth is we don't want to be BOM. Want to know the problem with BOM? The administration. Is Sean Saulsbury a moron? Hell no he is not a moron. I'm positive Sean is an intelligent man. It doesn't make him Superman. It doesn't mean he can do anything and be good at it. It's very possible he would like to be a man with power, but just can't handle it. It's also possible his communication skills aren't great. He can't get in touch with people. The mods all seemed to try and get in touch with people. But, the admins needed to, as well. That is what makes KJ so much better. Eagle and Arsi are power figures, but still keep in touch with everyone here. They do their job, as well as socialize on the job. When the admins and mods can't get in touch with the needs of the users is when the problems arise.

There isn't a day that goes by where I don't regret doing what I did at BOM. But, the problems piled up, until I lost it. I could not take what was going on anymore, and I was tired of it. Do you know the biggest problem, however? My biggest problem was that if I posted a big, long speech about my problems with the administration, followed by my resignation? It would get closed, deleted, and lost forever. I would be removed as mod, and nothing of it would be mentioned again. So, I went crazy. Too crazy. I regret it. But, I wanted my message to be made. It got made, but if I could have done it without hurting everyone else, I would have. To be honest, that was not a majorly pre-planned thing. If I pre-planned what I wanted, I may have come up with something better.

*deep breath* My point is that KJ is far from a problem-riddled forum. We have a lot in order. Comparing to BOM, we are miles ahead. We have a strong administration. The moderators? I think they do a fine job. My only real problem is I don't know for certain what LMR and Amer do as moderators. I've never really seen them step in and say "Locked!", or as JMP would say, "Ka-chink!". But, if they hold their own, then that's good. Perhaps some mods do more than others, but that I can't comment on, because I don't know who does what, really.

But, because I have no problem doesn't mean there isn't one. We know that I'm not always right. Heck, I'm rarely right, right? Hopefully this stuff can be resolved before something major happens. All I can see is a lack of major rules that are enforced. We only have guidelines, and I think at least calling them rules may make them more respected amongst the users.

Was that one big jumbled mess or what? \:D/

You should be able to summarily temp ban on your own judgement. If you made a mistake it can be corrected the next day by an admin, and if you abuse it a lot they can replace moderators. But I see no reason a mod can't just boot someone for 2 days cause they seemed like they were trying deliberately to cause trouble. In some situations, that are obviously bad, you shouldn't have to give warnings. I'm guessing that would be rarely used or needed but it's a good tool to have in the mod tool belt.

I'm locking this thread

The problem with temp banning based on your own judgment is that someone else will probably have a disagreement. Should be a majority decision. I can see if it's HUGELY noticeable that there's a problem, but if it's not a huge problem and the mod believes they need a ban, then that causes MORE conflict.

:laugh: How come no one told me of a few new emoticons?!

hehe... :wink:

I don't have a problem with the mods here.

Yeah, I don't know about temp banning. I'd like to have a clear system around it, like a certain amount of warnings. I don't know, that's why I'm asking everyone here what they think is best.

X, you bring up good points about rules and guidelines. I personally think guidelines remind me a bit too much of Pirates of the Carribean, and I love that movie, but the point is...you're right. But I don't want to make rules that are too restrictive. We want to make sure everyone can show their colours!

I just notice how much time we spend scrambling behind scenes. A hand few of you know it either because you've been on the back end, or been begged to help out. Whichever, what Archie said is right. It may not be visible, but we do alot behind the scenes. The problem is, sometimes that's not great for either the forums or for our blood pressure.

As I said again, please be frank, because I've picked up on cryptic "something is up" messages for ages now, and I'd love to address them. Really. I'm too nuerotic to just keep thinking that other people thinl there are better ways to run the place. I'd prefer to just know...then we could all be happier.

Eagle, about case-by-case, of course we're not going to be omnipotent and just swoop in out of nowhere to exert broad rules randomly. But even in case by case, I'd prefer to know what forum members would prefer we look into as conduct that affects them, rather than just approaching each case from my ideals alone. There would be a hell lot more locked threads if it was just up to me.

And like torri said, please if there are issues with any one of us, we need to know. Go ahead and put it out here, but if you're not comfty with that, pm someone you don't mind telling. Believe you us, we're very diplomatic about these things. But we need to know.

I'm talking about in rare cases, when two people start going at it or if some spammer visits the board as sometimes happens on forums. The idea that all the mods would have to agree to a one or two day boot before it is done is like saying you have to wake up all the judges before you can throw the town drunk in the clink overnight to dry off.

I'm talking about something that I'd see being used maybe once a month at most.

Just my 2 cents.