http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_19413004



Thoughts?

Does anyone remember the movie with John Agar, "The Brain From Planet Arous"?

I think Joe McCarthy, Richard Daley, Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon ain't dead.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050210/plotsummary

EDIT: John McCain co-authored this P.o.S. Must have been watching his P.O.W. movies again...

I read that this was actually requested by the Obama Administration. My thought is that it is abominable. If captured outside the United States and on a battlefield, fine, lock them away without any habeas corpus rights for the remainder of hostilities and preferably in some secret prison in a friendly dictators country.

Horrible.

Except Obama plans to veto the bill:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... ns-of-veto

Yeah I was going to say that too. I thought he was against this bill.

What relevance is that to my statement? My understanding is the Administration's veto threat concerned Guantanamo type issues.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSession4951

Go to the 4:43 mark and you can hear Democratic Senator Carl Levin on the floor of the Senate say just what I said. That the Obama administration pushed for the removal of the language which would have exempted U.S. Citizens from such indefinite detention.

Well...

We have to defeat the terrorists you know. This is the only way we can do it. This is the only way we can win.

Throwing away habeas corpus and locking up American citizens without charges, trial, or proof is not how you win. It's how the terrorists win.

What the hell are you talking about? I think that's what you want him to say more than what he actually stated. It would seem as though the president does have some desire to get something like this passed, but the senators drones on about how the bill is not developed enough, and later on states how the bill as it is could override 200 years of legal work, and how the bill as it currently exists could have horrible side effects.

Frankly the govt has been able to able to lock up people and hold them for a long time anyways (look at what happened after 9/11) and can simply suspend habeas corpus in a time of war.

Also, Obama could veto it but he will use drones to kill any threat (own citizen) it appears and imo I think there is nothing wrong with that.

Okay, so I've gone back and re-listened to the clip you provided. I apologize for saying things a little too hastedly, and now I see your point. My counter still stands that the senator from Colorado does state that the president wants to review the stated amendment, and that's his desire to pull the amendment out.

In fact, when John McCain takes the floor, he gets pretty passionate about his frustration with Obama having an issue with the whole situation concerning the bill stripping away Miranda Rights

I prefer they would not be able to do it easily.

How does Mcshame still have any influence.

John McCain is a very well known guy and is a senior senator...

His influence has waned but it is still high.

And what is the point of this legislation but to overthrow Due Process and deny a fair hearing?
The government already has the power to hold dangerous suspects without bail. A defense attorney isn't going to be able to contradict reasonable evidence.
Even O.J. was in jail for a year before his case went to trial and he wasn't even a terrorist.

As Jon Stewart pointed out last night, it is sufficient evidence for detaining a US citizen indefinitely without charges or trial under this new law, if you are found with more than a seven day supply of food in your house.

Of course, this is only another nail in the coffin - - American freedom died quite some time ago.

Well I heard something different on CNN. They said Obama was threatening a veto over that part of the bill.