He digs.

Can we ban Maverikk from saying the phrases "blame it on Maverikk" and "mob mentality"?

I don't say "Blame it on Maverikk", I say "It's Mav's fault"!

Attempted coup by cinema-corner unsuccessful



All of friday's incident backfired on torrino when he thought by resigning that a big exodus would have followed

whatever happened to killimunati?

It seems like for whatever reason he abandoned his old account

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180

and started a new one:

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The Water Cooler is trash. Steaming, hot trash. Ill be glad if it dies. 95% of the threads in there are Snargos garbage anyways

I dont think the other forums are in much danger though... the last American Idol thread was by far the biggest ever and the Lost discussion will be big in the last season: Critics forum will be fine. Oscar season will be hot again and Im sure loyal will return for it. Cinemania will always have news. Sports forum is about to hit its busiest period

As much as I hope you're right, I wouldn't bet my money on it.

Well if people stop posting at that damn gimmick site... then he would be forced to come back.

It's definitely bad enough here to make anybody not want to be here. I don't see loyal ever coming back. Unfortunately, I don't see that place (loyal's new forum, BKB, not filmgasm) as being much different. A mini KJ with many of the same people, more interested in cliques and negativity directed toward anyone not in their clique. People who don't make new posters welcome. Just a small band of outcasts, some of which talk trash about this forum over there, and then post here like they like it here. I wish loyal luck. He'll always have his following that go wherever he goes, like Libs, for instance, but unlikeable types like box and jujubee are going to make any success there an uphill climb. Then again, maybe having just a small group of people IS the goal, in which case it should be fun for them over there.

If they want that forum, fine.

The more negative people that leave KJ, the better.

You would not describe yourself as a "negative" poster?

I dunno why theyd ever think a new site & forum would work. Not that its bad, but I think loyal said something like "theres a market for a new film website and forum" or something to that extent. Um yeah, its not 2002 anymore. The online filmbuff base is at the weakest its been in a while...Theres a reason mojo, kj, and co. have been regressing in the past few years...they have no way of getting new posters interested; i cant fathom why they think a new site will work. They might get a handful of posters to leave kj all together and post there, and then a maybe a few who split time at both....but after time, theyll wonder whats the point.

the mass interest in discussing box office exploded in the early 2000's because there were a few film franchises beginning whose fan base was among the big online film buffs. Star Wars and matrix in 1999, Harry Potter and Lord of the rings in 2001, spidey in 02. Geeks became obssessed with the films and their financial success, mainly because they made enormous amounts of money. It peaked when the sequels to films began to come out, and now that those franchises have all essentially come and gone (outside of potter, who will going soon)...the "market" for forums and websites like this have gone into a slumber.

The dark knight was the only "online geek" film event since sith in 2005, and that was after several years where there were MULTIPLE of them (spidey, star wars, lord of the rings, potter in 2002, final lord fo the rings and matrix reloaded in 2003, return of harry potter and spiderman in 2004). This is when 99% of the people who currently post here really got interested in the box office. There were several reasons: 1) the movies were by and large good films. So people generally anticipated their sequels. 2) At the time, the future held a lot of excitment. Again, "a sequel to the matrix!" "a live action spiderman film/a sequel to spiderman!" or "harry potter/lotr sequels!"-we knew in the coming years there would be tons of big movies to follow. 3)Naturally, those being interested in the films themselves liked how successful the films were, and thus thei rinterest in following the weekly box office is born.

Since than, 2005 had sith, 2006 had nothing, 2007 had spidey 3 but, aside from sucking, spidey had lost its "freshness" by then anyways. 2008 had The Dark Knight which honestly wouldnt have happened like it did without the death of its star, which pretty much rallied "geekdom" behind the film from an incredibly early stage...2009 has nothing (maybe Avatar can change that). 2010 has nothing. There wont be another real geek event film until the hobbit and final harry potter films come out in 2011.

The box office as a whole in a transition phase where the last of the franchises that dominated the past decade are running their course, while new franchises (pretty much just transformers at this point (and considering the piss poor reception #2 recieved, that isnt saying much) as pirates is dead...shrek is has nowhere to go but further down...until it gets outta the transition, aint nobody new gonna really get into this.

Heres a startling fact: since 2003, the #1 film of every year has been a sequel of some sort. Prior to 2003, a sequel had not held the #1 spot for a year since 1991. Before that, it was 1983. Weve followed the box office in a time dominated by franchises; it only makes sense that interest will die down once the franchises weve followed die themselves, and this has slowly but surely been happening since its peak in late 2003.

I see the box office headed towards a situation similar to the one of the late 1980s and early 1990's. after decades of franchises dominating the big screen (star wars, indiana jones, superman), the box office shifted towards more original films, which may make more intersting in terms of predicting the future, but makes it harder for the subject to bring in folks.

I believe it's been 3 or 4 years straight that Mav has been crying that this site is at death's door. At some point this becomes the "boy that cried wolf" story... that point may have been passed a few years ago.

Anyhow, there are currently 32 users online at nearly 1am on a Thursday night/Friday morning. In this day and age with Twitter, Facebook, and social networking (the real reasons behind message board declines) that's quite a feat!

We have a great group of core posters here, and while people come and go, it's always a pleasure to call this place home, and I have a lot of fond online memories here.

Only to certain posters.

But those posters were the negative ones.

So...

I think we have more posters that are zeros than negatives.

Only a complete moron would try to pretend this is somehow Mav's delusion. This isn't about your Mav fetish, it's reality, and the poll itself speaks to that. Time for you to get a new act, because yours is as tired as this place is.

It's okay, though, you can continue living your fantasy about this place, but let's not pretend that anyone else is.

The poll reveals that the majority of this site believes it will become great again.

Your claim is that this place is tired, devoid of people, and should close shop. The stats don't back you up.

At the current moment there are 23 users at KJ, 14 at BOM, 4 at Filmgasm, and 2 at thecornercinema.

I'm no numbers expert, but I do believe that KJ would arguably be the least dried up place on that list, and that seems pretty consistent with the 2 times I've checked now.

And, as much as you hate this place, Mav... you can never leave successfully. I believe you desperately want it shut down because you can't quit it despite trying numerous times.

For you it's a difficult argument to try to convince me how bad you think this place is, when you still are posting here.

Yeah, and who do you think those people are that are lurking? You need to count up the posts, especially the meaningful ones. Several people that left here, who are lurking, isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for a lively forum. You can't possibly think that this forum is rocking like it did during the Mavvy days!



Numerous times? I recall only leaving one time, and I never came back here with thoughts of being a great forum contributor in mind. Mostly, and I already said this before, I came back to push buttons and laugh at whoever it bothered. I didn't come back with love in my heart and all is forgiven. I thought that was pretty clear! I decided to be less of a contributor, since it was never appreciated, and be a poster that just "took up space". As you might have noticed, despite being asked to become active in the awards forum several times, I never did again.

When I leave here and don't post, it doesn't mean that I've decided to never post again, it means that I've got way too much on my plate to bother. If I really liked it, I'd make time. What brought me back this time was a PM from my old friend, Bell, and it coincided with the latest forum meltdown, and like any cynic, I enjoyed what I saw and added some commentary and an objective observation.

It's dying fast here, and I suspect that it will never liven up here again. In fact, I'd bet on it. That's just reality, not any kind of wish list.

It's pretty easy to take a quick look at BOM and see they've had fewer posts today than we did here today. Ditto the other forums.

And, considering how busy that place was when I first started posting there, I'd say you could make a much more logical argument that it's "dying" there more than here. Yet, I don't see you asking them to close shop there.

The fact is that movie forums across the board are "dying" by your definition. That does not mean they are "dead" or that they will be dead soon. Which leads back to my original point, that this is the slowest death ever, as you have been saying this for years.

I realize, as you've said above and before that you're just here to stir things up and laugh at people, and if that floats your boat then so be it. Internet trolls are a dime a dozen, and quite frankly I've seen much better work in that department. The least you could do is change it up. It's hardly even fun pretending to debate with you anymore as it's all ground we covered before many times... mix it up a little!

On a seriouos note, though... if I may be for a minute. It really is a shame that you picked this persona. When you want to be, you are fanstastic member of any forum community and have a wealth of movie knowledge and smarts. It seems such a waste to spend your time in a place you don't want to be just stirring up crap and laighing at people. It's like if Kate Beckinsale refused to wear anything but baggy sweat pants and old sweatshirts and not shower anymore. It's just a shame.

No, BOM is more active than this place, especially in the forums that matter. I don't know what you're smoking to try to convince anyone otherwise! It's a miracle that it's survived at all, considered their own laundry list of offenses. KJ is a direct result of BOM's 2nd collapse. It died for years. It has the resources and drawing power to overcome things that KJ does not.



Dying doesn't mean dead. There will always be people, like yourself, that cling to it in hopes that it will recover, but reality is, it doesn't have the resources to replenish. The more people that leave or become inactive, the worse it gets. Nobody will arrive to replace the people who move on. How do you expect that to happen? The mainsite? The engaging forum? It HAS been dying for years. That's accurate. BOM was dead for a period, but has had a revival. Will it last? Considering that it's had about 4 mass exoduses, I suspect that it very well could go into another coma, but it hasn't had one in years, and the user base has built up again. Nothing like it used to be, however, when there were 50 registered users online posting often at once.



Sorry, I gave up the trolling business when my daughter was born. This wasn't trolling, this was meant for a serious discussion.



Well, thank you, Tony. I didn't pick the persona, though, it was picked for me, and after a point, I just got tired of trying to convince people otherwise and decided to give them what they wanted and embrace it. KJ always villianizes somebody, whether deserving or not. It's a shame that they didn't appreciate what I brought to the forum and were more interested in blaming me or arguing with whatever side I was on, etc... I did a lot of extra stuff at this forum, trying to be helpful and a heavy contributor, with the kind of stuff that would benefit everyone, and I endured numerous attacks for my trouble, so trolling seemed like a logical response, and when that got old for me, I ceased being a regular. It is kinda sad, but my real life did get a lot better, so it's all good.

Hmm, BOM is over two years older than KJ, yet KJ has more posts in the Reviews forum than BOM (hell, almost twice as many) and the general Movie Talk forum (Cinemania) hasmore posts here than at BOM (alebit of course, BOM has a separate forum for film news, but even with that added, it is not far ahead). The trailer forum has more posts here than at BOM, even though it is more recent. The Awards forum here has about 50% more posts than the same forum at BOM. The Water Cooler is clearly beating the Real Life forum at BOM by over 100,000 posts (though I assume you count it as a forum that doesn't matter?). The DVD forum has pretty much the same number of posts.

In other words there are only TWO forums clearly beating the ones we've got here: Box-Office and Games forum. These alone pretty much account for the entire posts difference between KJ and BOM. The Games forum, however, is the one that matters the least. Can't believe it has over 300,000 posts at BOM, but looking at it that stems from Impact spamming the Food Game and Name Game and whatnot. Hell, the dude has 80,000+ posts.

The Box-Office forum - I give you that. But we're still leading for Reviews, Awards and Real Life and almost on the same page for general movies discussion. And that with two years less of posting.

I'm not surprised, considering BOM's dead periods due to Sean's banning tirades. Remember, although it may have had a few years head start. it also has had years of being a ghost town. This forum is just now getting to that point.

Check those stats two years from now. 10 years from now. You'll see the advantages of BOM compared to KJ. KJ can't afford a mass exodus and hope to survive. It has no way of bringing in replacement posters.