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 Looking for pro-evolution resources... 
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Does anybody know of any good books or sites that has plenty of good information supporting the theory of Evolution?

I have a family member that is constantly trying to "save me" and just sent me this "objective" book that examines Creation vs. Evolution. It happens to be written by a "former skeptic of the Bible who is the founder of Strong Basis to Believe ministry..." So, I'm guessing it's not too "objective" and I'll be shocked when he ends up siding with Creation.

Anyhow, being I'm not an expert I'd like to brush up on the Evolution side of things so I can get into a good old fashioned debate with him. If anyone has any good resources for me to study, please share!

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Tony, start here: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-mustread.html

It's a FAQ from talks.origin Usenet group that deals specifically with theory of evolution and challenges to it.


Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:16 pm
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The way to handle it is let creationists have their say in religion classes and discussions. And evolution in science classes.

You can tell your friend he might have a point, in the same way one can find truth in a work of art. But that science also has ways of getting to the truth. They aren't in conflict, just different types of truth. And when it comes to the science of evolution you'll trust established scientific authorities.

If that doesn't work, beat him into submission with a bible.


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Krem wrote:
Tony, start here: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-mustread.html

It's a FAQ from talks.origin Usenet group that deals specifically with theory of evolution and challenges to it.


Thanks, Krem! There looks to be a lot of good information there. :D

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Tony can you please name the author and/or title of the book your relative is pushing on you? It would help me give you advice.


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TonyMontana wrote:
Krem wrote:
Tony, start here: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-mustread.html

It's a FAQ from talks.origin Usenet group that deals specifically with theory of evolution and challenges to it.


Thanks, Krem! There looks to be a lot of good information there. :D

No problem. I keep that site bookmarked, as it often comes in handy :)


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Tony, the best pro-evolution resource is your brain.

Seriously though, I like Krem's link - and here's one filled with witty one liners to knock 'em out of the park with - http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/


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Archie Gates wrote:
Tony can you please name the author and/or title of the book your relative is pushing on you? It would help me give you advice.


"Evolution vs. Creationism" by Ralph O. Mucaster

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makeshift wrote:
Tony, the best pro-evolution resource is your brain.

Seruiously though, I like Krem's link - and here's one filled with witty one liners to knock 'em out of the park with - http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/


:lol: Thanks!

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I don't think logic works against people like that. Creationism, by its own definition, starts with a conclusion (God created us) and then finds evidence to support the theory, whereas evolution, like all science, finds the evidence and then tries to come up with a theory to explain the evidence.

While I have never "won" a debate against a creationist in the sense that I convinced them they were wrong (since faith does not need evidence) I have at least been able to refute their evidence intelligently, and that's probably all you can hope for.

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makeshift wrote:
Tony, the best pro-evolution resource is your brain.

Seriously though, I like Krem's link - and here's one filled with witty one liners to knock 'em out of the park with - http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/


I love that website, makeshift! Nice.

Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.

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TonyMontana wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Tony can you please name the author and/or title of the book your relative is pushing on you? It would help me give you advice.


"Evolution vs. Creationism" by Ralph O. Muncaster

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Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:


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MG Casey wrote:
Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:


Just the enlightened ones.

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Steve wrote:
MG Casey wrote:
Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:


Just the enlightened ones.



Pathetic.

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MG Casey wrote:
Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:



Don't mistake the tone for the message. Supporting the Theory of Evolution does not mean one is against religion.


The most fervent anti-Christian there's ever been, Nietzsche, soundly claimed that the root for its destruction (from his viewpoint) lay in its uncompromising stress for seeking answers. Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Michelangelo, Descartes, and all the others are not what I would call unenlightened, and anyone who thinks they are I shall consider scum.


Those who support Creationism are wrong, it's as simple as that. The Church has always stressed that there is a connection between faith and reason; one cannot exist without the other, they run side by side. Is the Theory of Evolution the final ultimate answer? What in the history of science supports that it is unerring? But it's the best system we've got, and has done tremendous good for us.


Urgh, I can't believe I got into this.


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MG Casey wrote:
Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:

I'm not against religion. I just don't believe in God.


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MG Casey wrote:
Wow, I never realized how most of you guys were against religion! :shock:



Some people know how to use their brains :smile: =D>

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Not everyone who believes in creationism starts with a conclusion


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The most important talking point in this debate is something that box brought up.

Real proponents of evolution would never tell you that they think the current theory of evolution is the ultimate truth and infallible, it is just the best that science can do for us at this particular moment.

Creationism is a reaction against the teaching of evolution. A knee jerk reaction of those who are too afraid to live in the unknowns of life.


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Not everyone who believes in creationism starts with a conclusion


If that were so, then that "not everyone" would be able to grace with a logical proof that God exists.


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maybe i'm missing the complete thing here and have the defination all wrong

Whats creationism again? and can we leave the bible out of this one considering i have a feeling most people following religion or God prolly believe in creationism? sorry, just want to be clear on it


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bABA wrote:
maybe i'm missing the complete thing here and have the defination all wrong

Whats creationism again? and can we leave the bible out of this one considering i have a feeling most people following religion or God prolly believe in creationism? sorry, just want to be clear on it


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=creationism

In other words, you believe the whole "Seven days..." thing.


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Wait .. I'm Muslim. So what do I believe in!?!?


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