I didn't get involved in the Manlibs Drama because nothing regarding me was involved. The reason I decided to get "involved" in the Zep Issue (it's a bigger issue than just him though, it's that's nights events all together) was because he pretty much said something similar to what someone has told me before and in his case it was considered ban worthy. I was told of nothing of a similar message someone sent me until this thread because I was asking questions which is required by the staff to answer. If posting a message Im taking about in public is ban worthy, but sending someone a similar message via PM AND having someone post in public almost an identical message in public is apparently only results in that person's Inbox being taken away.

Poster A - Sends "Death" PM to Poster B. Then has Poster C post an almost identical message in public = Nothing done about it, just some discussion about having Poster A's inbox taken away.

Poster D - Posts "Death" Message in public related to Poster A = Possibly ban worthy.


I'd like for the above to be explained more maybe. Because if I were to send someone a death message right now (according to what has been said in here by the staff), and have a friend post a similar death message in public about the same poster, it'd result in just my inbox being taken away, hell, Poster A's inbox wasn't even taken away, it was just discussed. So I could go ahead and send a death message to anyone AND have a friend post a similar one in public if I want right now without any punishment. It'd be only fair if nothing was done to me since nothing was done in Poster A's case. Of course I wouldn't lower myself to such a level to ever wish death on anyone, so no need to expect any PM titled "Im so fucking pissed off right now, DIE DIE DIE DIE" or whatever it was, ever.

The Skype thing is OLD, Gulli. I didn't even mention it once in here then a few decided to bring it up. It's no secret I mentioned Skype very often months and months ago. Why? Ripper creating a double account with the name Corpse to keep me from getting the name back. When I asked about it, I was told it was fair game and they didn't know who the double account was until I almost had to force people to look into it and it was indeed a double account of Rippers. But apparently now it's NOT fair game if you change your name and someone takes it. Why would that rule be the complete opposite now? Another question I'd like to ask the staff right now.

The second reason being because it was seemingly causing a problem between me and Squee, and between Squee and some Skype members. Ripper being the most vocal in the forum always asking why he talks to me for. Was it any of her business if Squee happened to enjoy talking to me? That we got along really well? Something happened because Squee eventually did stop talking to me until many weeks later he randomly sent me a message saying he was sorry, that he was a coward for now saying something when he felt at times I was being treated unfairly, etc. and that I probably wouldn't talk to him now anyway. Guess what? He didn't even have to say sorry or anything, ever. A simple "hello" as though we had never stopped talking would have been enough, who he talks to, why he does, etc. matters not to me. It was a bit sad because he treated that message as though it was a huge deal or something when he should have known I'd be 100% okay with him, always, no matter what. Even if he randomly decided to contact me now. It'd be just like nothing had ever happened and he'd be the exact same guy I talked with, ignore all the fucking forum drama, it means absolutely nothing. It'd love to show him Im the best racer Mario Kart has ever seen.


Stop taking things so damn serious. I did and it was ridiculous and ignorant of me to even think about anyting being serious here or anywhere else online months and months ago. I obviously made mistakes, does that mean I'll always make them, be that same person, etc.? The only thing I take semi-serious is the forum itself, wanting it to function like a forum. Threads updated on time, tools for the members running properly, and yes, questioning decisions that one might find questinable. Why treat someone who questions the staff about something like they have no idea what they are talking about, that the staff knows what they are doing at all times, etc.? It's common sense that any member can, and should question things they may find fishy, vague, or whatever. It's part of every forum.

Let's assume for argument's sake that:

Poster A = regular poster, makes valuable contributions, is irked by a certain member enough to send them a "Death" PM.
Poster B = regular poster, makes valuable contributions, is sent a "Death PM".
Poster C = regular poster, makes valuable contributions, posts "Death" PM in public.
Poster D = relative newcomer with few posts, goes on a one-night spamming spree of death messages and insults, creates insulting avatar and a flashing eyesore of a sig.

In my view, the first three instances require some thought and diplomacy, as all three members are regular posters who only occasionally dip into petty arguments. Poster D, on the other hand, has no real presence on the boards and, in this instance, has made it pretty clear that his only goal is to be as much of a nuisance as possible.

Now, had Poster A been a relatively new poster who decided to post "Death" messages on the forum, be antagonistic numerous times over the course of a single night and create avatars and sigs that were not only insulting but annoying - then yes, I would've lobbied to get Poster A banned immediately.

Not quite like that. Poster A sends Poster B a death PM once in a blue moon. Admin applies same one week ban on Poster A. Poster A rarely logs in so its no loss over the punishment. Poster B logs in and sends death threat 2 weeks later gets a one month ban repeat and rinse

or would option B, be better

Poster A sends death PM to Poster B. Poster A gets mailbox disabled indefinately.

or Poster A has Poster C deliver PM about poster B on public board will get Poster C banned. Poster A is responsible for Poster C getting banned because Poster A knows that by having someone else send a death threat will cause C to be banned

Poster D is loud, rude, has huge flashing signitures, challenges the mods to ban him and then calls people cunt and then post death messages about people

So you avoid answering the question of manipulating Korrgan and spreading lies. Typical stuff. Althou this causing a problem between Squee and others, I'm intrigued. On a purely serious note since I've stayed with the lad and along with Cynthia met and gone out and had the craic with him its perfectly legitimate for us to voice our concerns over people we consider bad acquaintances like yourself.

The death message was a direct result of you bullying the person for months, if you can't accept that then tough titty. You where and for me still are a passive aggressive bully, its not my fault that you seem so insulated to the idea that you are anything but perfect that to accept a flaw is alien to you.

I'm not taking anything serious I'm having fun with your delusional hypocrisy, its relaxing.

Lets play a game, I'll post a rule and you tell me where the flaw is.

Offside position

A player is in an offside position if he is in his opponents' half of the field and is nearer to his opponents' goal line than the ball, and all but one (or all) of his opponents. A player level with the second to last opponent is not in an offside position.

The big difference Corpse is we have never, and still don't moderate PMs. PMs are private messages, messages between two people, not public record on our forum. Moreso, the admins of the site have NO access whatsoever to PM's under any circumstances. Because of that, we only truly regulate someone using PM to spam, and otherwise leave private messages private.

I think most everyone agrees with you that jujubee's message to you was inappropriate and harrasment, and you did the right thing bringing it to the attention of the mod team. As I said before, it is my opinion that jujubee should have lost PM privledges for 3-6 months, and could have them back after that if she asked. The mod team opted to do nothing, and I think they did so mainly because jujubee is not an active member, not continuing to send similar messages, and thus felt the situation required no further intervention.

Have you received any further messages from jujubee? If not, then I guess their decision was valid. As I said, we don't moderate PM's because we have no visibility to them, all we can do is act to stop it as a means of spam or harassment. Since this was deemed a one time issue, it required no action.

Well I have to add that we normally dont intervene in PM battles unless we feel that in cases that the complaint was about the person doing it repeatedly or if the individual fully admits to it on the public board(Im not talking about stuff about admitting it a month later mind you)

Yeah, pretty much it has to be blatant harrasment, and then you tend to take action to ensure it stops, and in the extreme that means removing someone's PM ability.

I had a poster called my entire family a bunch of inbred retards in a PM once. Granted we where having a "frank" debate but the idea of reporting it was erroneous to me due to the private nature.

Oh a side note Corpse has gotten better the last few months and I wouldn't label her a bully anymore really so I apologize for that.

Snrub - No one should ever be "irked" enough to send a "death" message to someone, maybe once, fine, little slip. But two times clearly shows it's more than just being annoyed or whatever may be the case. This is what I'm getting at with not doing anything at all to her the first time because she had someone do it for her the second time, in public. Going to defend this by using a "well, she is annoyed with you" argument? What?

I wouldn't call a member who has been here for about 20 months a newcomer. And not a troll/spammer when over 90% of that persons posts came before the other night. Just because a poster doesn't post much, doesn't mean they should be treated as "lesser" users here. Every single poster should be on the same level no matter their name, post count, join date, etc. I would like to think a poster who joined in 2004 and a poster who joined as early as this month even are treated the same. This sounds like some sort of... profiling or something. Have you not noticed how difficult it is to gain new members? Then the ones that do join usually leave because of problems usually dealing with the "lesser" poster part.



Gulli - I never manipulated Korrgan. She can't answer here and I'm not going to allow her to be dragged into drama she hasn't even been on for, asked for, etc. I would really like to know what has made me a bully in the past or now, and how that would even warrent being told to go die in a serious note.


Royd - I don't understand how TWO "Death" messages are somehow considered less than 5, 6, 7, 50, 100, 100000, or more. One is plenty enough.

Eagle - So, right now, I can go send someone a "death" PM and absolutely nothing will be done to me, correct, even if they report it to the staff, right?
Yes, I received two "Death" messages. The first being directly from Jujubee in private. The second being when she had minneapple post another one for her in a thread. Yes, not directly from jujubee, but how can one believe if she'd return that she wouldn't do it herself again given she has herself directly once, and indirectly another time?


Also, to any of the staff, a question that was overlooked.

1. Being told before that if I change my name, then anyone is free to take it and I can't do anything about it. Then just the other day Nebs tells Korrgan that it's not true when she expressed concern over the idea of someone stealing her name if she would want to change it sometime. Why was I told it's fair game if I change my name, but during the the recent name changes and everything it's not okay basically?

So you're calling Korrgan a liar? ok then.

And yes you where a bully, accept this, you belittled jujubee, mocked her and proved to be insanely condescending at every opportunity. Personally I admire how she dealt with you for so long before lashing out. I mean lets ask what sort of lies did you spread to this vile Zep thing to cause him to suggest a throat slitting. Or what lies did you tell Harry when we where having our utterly silly (due to my dickish comment) argument where he alluded to knowing what I did to you?

And seriously answer my offside rule question, if you do I can help you finally understand the fluidic nature of rules for the greater good of the whole.

I dont know what I could really do to change the past. Whats done was done. I have explained our original intent to move forward with the plan but rejected it because it would have caused another drama situation with warnings and bannings too soon especially with Korrgan being banned a week after lifting her ban. Maybe we should have moved with option A like we intended but whats done is done. Our mistake thats all

I was under the impression that when the mods told you it was free for all in taking names was that it was under a different adminstration

corpse sounds like a broken record. all she's saying is the same thing over and over again.

Okay.

I've realized I'm banging my head against a wall here, I'm a stubborn fucker and by God Corpse is just as bad.

Time to bring the curtain down and bow out.

Yeah, Corpse, yeah! Booo-urns to all the others.

I'm doing the same. Everything has been asked, responded to, over and over again at this point.

Guess it was poor choice of words in my part. Instead of "would've never happened", should have said "will never happen". I do not know specifics of your case back then, but I do remember it happening, and it's a part of the reason why it will never happen again.

Nobody is innocent in this cluster. It takes two to tango (in this case, about 10). The biggest disappointment in all of this is that many people that I respect are lowering themselves to disgusting levels. It's really sad to see, and there is no excuse for it.

Anyhow, I do want to point out one other thing... juju, Squee, and Ripper left on their own accord. It's 110% their own doing and nobody else's. I blame them, and only them, for leaving me, and always have. If you're upset they left, you need to start putting the blame where it belongs and quit enabling them.

It should also be pointed out in case there is any confusion... I only publicly admit to liking 2/3 of those that left.

Lastly, that 2/3 doesn't mean I like 2/3 of each person. It means there is one entire person that I never publicly admitted to liking. For a hypothetical example, let's say it is Squee. That would mean I liked juju and Ripper. If you are still confused or have further questions about this, please ask... I can diagram it out with flow charts.

I'm confused, but that is probably because I'm a little drunk.

Anyway, flow chart FTW.

Corpse your logic here seems to be

Juju or whoever sent me a death threat and didn't get banned. Zep got banned for a death threat. I'm angry and complaining that Zep got banned.

Do you see the mistake here? Your main complaint rightfully is the lack of punishment for juju, thereby standing for rule and saying it should be enforced. By complaining about Zep's ban you're arguing against the rule and thus completely contradicting yourself.

A man who gets away with murder should not lend to people complaining about the next guy who getting put in jail for it. If they truly stand by their principles, then they should support the rule, not argue against it.

PS less words, more meaning. Active voice cuts down the extra clutter

Something that consistently seems to evade the posters on this site.

I think it was Oscar Wilde who said, "You can accomplish a helluva lot more with a snappy one-liner than a long, drawn-out, boring thesis". No? Well, it sounds like something he would say.

.......13 pages too many and counting........

So when are you going to ban chip for his constant antagonistic and baiting comments? You can blame Korrgan all you wish, but YOU PEOPLE running this place are the problem, because you let his fucking shit go on without doing a goddamn thing about it. Do you wonder why nobody has fun here? Either people leave or stay and bitch, and you guys are too busy finger pointing at the wrong people. What's the intelligence level around here. anyway?

What do you mean, "you people"?

LMAO