What my private message specifies was personal attacks with profanity and it seems like you broke that rule. Im flagging you a warning on that. As I said you have to play by the rules set up and I have done so for you in the past if they made personal attacks and foul language directed at you. Libs too understands any personal attacks about you like calling you miserable in RL will get a warning the next time around. No buts ifs, that person started it

I was brought up again.

I guess I can say how I've handled past confrontations and such, and I'll do so because it's worked out well. In my opinion, anyway.

AfterI had my big argument with Eagle and bABA, I decided it'd be best to simply ignore anything I found offensive, irritating, etc. And they pretty much did the same with me. None of us even agreed on that, but that's how it happened, and I've never had anymore problems with Eagle (though there WAS his wedding thread comment. ), and I don't think he has with me. At least, on confronting each other or mentioning each other on the forums. I think bABA and I may have had a few more disagreements after the big argument, but shortly after that we never responded to one another or mentioned each other, etc. And that has worked out well too.

The same is true for any other poster I've had confrontations with. After that confrontation, I simply decided to ignore them, etc. Same way I did with Eagle and bABA. Though some of those posters would still make baity comments, attacks/insults, etc. directed at me, but I wouldn't hit back this time. I learned how to take a hit so to speak, and how to deal with the situation much better. I still get attacked, etc. from time to time, and while I may hate that, but I take it anyway. I only respond back to the person or situation if I feel the need it requires me to defend myself.

There will always be several posters who hate me, but that's there decision. I'm not going to try to make nice most of the time since it's usually the same people over and over again, most whom I have tried to settle things outside the public forum, and I'm not going to change how I behave on the forum for them. It's really childish to continue holding grudges (I don't care how serious the problem was), provoking/attacking someone who continues to ignore you, etc.

haha...days after you told me "you're an embarrassment to the forum and yourself", you guys are standing on the soapbox about personal attacks!

And you expect me, after that, to believe you weren't coming after me? C'mon, Karl, give me *some* credit here.

Anyway, Karl, my issues with Libs go back a long way, I just never said anything publicly, but I have wanted to, and I finally did. I was pretty civil, and I didn't say everything I could have, but what I was doing is absolutely no different than what others are allowed to do about me, so how can this be a problem when I do it? I'm told to ignore it, but no action is ever taken. You can't have 2 sets of rules. That's why nobody stays here and you guys don't have any respect here.

Libs has done far worse to Joe, making shitty comments to him at every opportunity, and again, it was accepted. Mav does it, and now it's unacceptable behavior? This is a double standard, and this is why character and integrity comes into play so often at this place.

If I was this unrational guy who doesn't let shit go and whatever other invented characteristics the illuminati here came up with about me, do you believe that you would have just now heard from me concerning my distaste for her? I held that shit in for YEARS! Can anybody show me one time where I've went off on her in the last few years during one of her numerous replies to me with some contrary opinion and her all of the sudden being anti anything that Mav liked, even if she USED to like it? Seriously, WTF? I can show you several anti Mav moments from Libs, though, either directly or indirectly? "Is that all you do, come here to make people miserable?" or words to that effect were hurled at me by her at these very forums, and she cries the blues when I only now tell her she's a very unfriendly person. You would like us to smoke a peace pipe?



Does that singer look familiar?

I realize that you guys don't want us fighting. That was never what I wanted, obviously, or it wouldn't have taken this long.

Mav,

You have to understand that everyone's view of the forum is different. I don't read all the same thread you do, and I don't see all the same interactions that you do. I imagine that we have very different tastes in what we browse through, and what we ignore entirely.

My actions and comments have been based on what I have seen based on my browsing pattern. I'm sure I haven't seen even half of the interactions you have had with Libs, so who knows, maybe I'm not getting the whole story. The mod team has the same issue, and I'm sure they haven't seen every single comment and reply between the two of you either. I can assure you that if they felt Libs made a personal attack towards you, action would be taken. I know you feel that's a load of bull, but being a mod/admin is not easy work. They do the best they can.

Regardless, the fighting is doing no one any good.

The ball is in your court, I think Libs is open to solving the issue, and I believe that she is capable and willing to keep your name out of her mouth. So what has to be done to bring that about?

That's cause it is a load of shit. They clearly saw her use the old "you can't get it up" insult to me the other day, and even after she pointed it out herself and said she'd accept a warning, not a thing was done.

You see, this is why trust becomes the issue with you guys. You always try to cover for eachother, regardless of how deserving.

I can understand that, and you're not the first, and you won't be the last person to complain about the moderation.

As I said, it's not an easy job and things aren't black and white, but differing shades of gray. I know when I was an admin I always tried to be as fair as possible. I didn't want to get TOO heavy handed, and would really only try and step in when I think things really got out of hand. That's one of the reasons I often had to moderate you, because while you contribute positively in 90 out of 100 posts, when you do start to fight, you don't fight mildly, you go all out. So often, your fights would erupt, and require me to step in, where other fights would simmer down on their own.

Regardless what a mod team does, there will always be fights on a forum, and it's important not to get so heavy handed that people can't interact naturally. Even in a workplace, things get heated from time to time, but 99% of the time the people involved work it out. You only get HR involved for that other 1% and it's the same here.

So yeah, what you mention above was certainly a personal attack, and I can understand where you are coming from. Only the mod team can speak to why no warning was given, but I assume they have their reasons.

Either way, let's just deal with the situation as adults. You're a good poster, and you've contributed a lot to the site in general, not just the forums. So why let a disagreement turn into a feud that ruins the experience here for you and others? What can be done so everyone moves on and continues with more pleasant interactions?

For a start, clean up the double standards here and quit excusing them so easily. I got a warning today for calling Libs a name because Royd wasn't paying attention and was looking for a reason, I guess, because I was clearly refering to Chip, who I did as royd asked and put him on my ignore, and royd did absolutely nothing and has allowed him to continuously follow me around making shitty comments toward me. You know, the very thing that is NOW against the rules because Mav did it to somebody?

Heh, I'm sure I've said it 1000x, but you just have to ignore bull shit like that. It's just not worth it. I also think that you know if you dropped 'Mean Mav' that many of these issues would vanish.

People here are generally pretty damn intelligent, and they make their own mind up about people. If Chip is following you around generally being rude and you are simply ignoring him, people will take notice of that. Again, there may be no moderation involved from an admin standpoint, but people know Mav, and people will come to respect that about you.

In general though, you reap what you sow. Chip is a decent guy when it comes down to it, and I think he would bury the hatchet with you if you turned over a new leaf and hid the whole 'Mean Mav' shtick.

I think in general you feel the Mod Team is failing you, and there could be some truth in that, but at the same time, I think you go about it counter intuitively. You take matters into your own hands, which you should, but you react with anger, when you should do what you do to a fire: cut off it's fuel supply. It generally takes two too tango, so just be the bigger man and walk off the dance floor. I know very well you can if you want too, so please! Want to!

Regardless if its directed at Libs or Chip, it still against the rules of personal attacks and profanity used against other posters. If it was truely double standard, I would have stopped Bradley from making jabs at Loyal and Libs but he hasnt broken any rules. Of course I cant get Chip to stop responding to your posts, if I did I almost have to do it for every single person and their relation from Bradley on Loyal, Box on Michael, and so on

No, I'm not changing for Chip, and I'm insulted, frankly, that you just excused his behavior as "Mav's fault" when he acts like that to everybody.

I never excused his behavior, I was just pointing out that if you took a different course of action, his behavior would change accordingly.

So if it wasn't for Mav, there wouldn't be a problem. Let's ignore the fact that he gets away with that bullshit with more than just me. You lost me, Karl.

Tell ya what. If you want to come to some accord, the ball is now in your court. When Chip is blamed for Chip's behavior, and not Mav, and when I see these double standards and excuses disappear, I'll guarantee you'll get the Mav you want. Want to?

Chip will get a warning when he refers to someone as a dick, asshole, cunt or makes fun of someones family. So far his attacks didnt break any rules with the exception of the the threat he made to getluv. He also had been warned before about rumple so I dont get this thing about him being our golden boy. I knew somehow the thread will be hijacked into a topic about posters getting preferential treatment

In other words...

I can follow Libs around and make shitty comments all the time as long as I don't call her any names?

Thanks!

Unfortunately I dont think I can really do much about it, if we feel the attacks are way too personal like if you make up her appearance,use of foul language or derogatory terms and bring up her family members, you will be warned. If the other mods feel different or otherwise, I cant stop them though

Please learn the rules better if you are going to issue warnings and bans...


8. Posting style and behavior: We do not dictate how a person should and should not post a message or where they should post a message. But sometimes, a member’s actions pose a threat to the health of the forums. A word of advice is to be tactful and respectful about how you post. We are all from different places here and have a different way of conversing. We find different things offensive. Joke around with who you know will take a joke. Also learn to take a joke from others. But if a member is purposely found bothering a poster again and again just because you feel they think they have the right to say what they feel like, it will not fly well with the moderators and administrators here. Action will be taken against that member.

But, as always, no action is ever taken. I guess it would help if you took the job serious enough to learn the rules, and weren't just interested in the power trips.

So it looks like you are playing the switch a roo again because you expected me to side against the ruling. Just like the peace and harmony thread where you switched your persona around when you said you were going to play nice

No, I'm not switching nothing on you, I just made you look like you don't know what you're doing and you did all the work for me. The warning was sooo worth it now!

I respond to new posts in active threads.

It's not my fault that Mav also responds to new posts in active threads.

I'm like Ali.

Because that rule was so abused by others especially those that are accusing others of being stalker stalker!. Sound familiar? Thats why that rule isnt applied so much anymore

i don't quite udnerstand whats going on here and how this whole thing has turned into libs bothering mav and personally attacking him.

mav since his return has explicitly called out libs a few times and said he doesn't like her and made attacks against the kind of person she is while the only time libs ever brought up mav was in the drama thread without provocation at least in my opinion. Many of lib's comments about KJ or people on kj in general have been quoted by mav and a new attack there has been launched. i don't know how the subject here has moved to chip. this is a libs vs mav thing and its clear to me and possibly the whole forum here which one of these 2 started randomly bringing the other up for no reason whatsoever.

From my understanding, Mav has been told to stop bothering libs over some PM he received (according to him in this thread) and has also been warned. I'm surprised there hasn't been a banning but if there hasn't, then be done with the thread. you guys have been going around in circles for the last few posts and we're barely upto the 2nd page.

close it, move on. if libs randomly calls out mav again, she gets the same treatment. if mav continues to bother her, ban. its a simple matter of person a, b and c.

Yes, you don't understand.



How about her deciding to reply about me to Jeff? You see, this is why I don't respect many here. I think details are important to notice. How about the other attacks before I finally went after her? Why are you trying so hard to conveniently sweep that aside within your analysis. Oh...I forgot, that's just details again.



Again, you speak without facts. Why do you do this so often and act like they ARE facts?



and for Chip, Tony, and all other participants, bABA has some lovely parting gifts. Thank you for playing Double Standards!

I take it this isn't ending any time soon.

bottom line mav is that you're sitting here and insulting someone's personal life and people in their life. i'm not even talking about saying 'you're a loser', i'm talking about you insulting how they spend their time, what their husband thinks and bringing those loved ones into a conversation. before you say another word and try to justify this by pointing out something libs said ... think about that. think about that very serioualy. that in itself should be an outright banning here. because it doesn't matter what anyone on this website ever says or does to you .. .even if you're terribly pissed off .. that shit is off limits. this isn't a situation where someone brought up their personal life to justify their attitude on the board .. this is compeltely completely unwarranted.