Can we please ban Joe already?

He is difficult and argumentative. He is not open to anyone's advice, because he feels that they are out to get him.

The only substantial thing he is doing for the board is spreading human interest headlines, or DVD release dates for STV movies.

I don't think the fact that he might be suicidal has anything to do with this; we should not have to feel responsible for that. Countless members here have offered him their help, through more personal invitations to chat or confidential phone numbers. If they are concerned, let him reach them outside of the board. But the rest of us should not have to deal with the boy who cried wolf.

There comes a time when you need to cut ties with someone because you cannot get along. KJ is like a family or close group of friends. In which case, Joe has proven himself to destructive and unreasonable, despite several second chances, that he is outside our circle. Why is he our burden anymore? He is simply not the kind of person that KJ should want in its community.

I say give him one more chance to fix up his act. If he harasses one more person, give him a ban. I mean a perm ban. You can't be sympathetic for someone who doesn't want to help himself. Maybe in a year he can come back.

Pushing away someone because they are different, or because you disagree with their actions isn't the way to go. In my opinion.

And someone who primarily posts in one or two forums, or about one or two topics shouldn't matter, should it? Many posters here post just in a few forums and about just a few topics.

Yes, he is argumentative, although, there are times when posters will quote him and take something meaningless in his post and make an issue of it. I'm not attacking everyone who has ever argued with him, because I can understand many reasons for some of those arguments. But many of those arguments are over the most idiotic things and all the sides are to blame. I won't pretend I think everything he does is right, I do NOT. And he can tell you this.

I do think he should be warned (which he has been before), but not banned right now. Especially for some of the reasons you listed. If I thought that way, I'd be making threads about how we should ban more than a handful of posters here, but I don't because I simply don't think being banned, or even warned half the time, is the right thing to ask/do. Simple discussions can resolve these issues most the time. If only people would try it.

Why not sweep the commies out of KJ? This is loyal's site, let him do what he wants. We disagreed with Sean Saulsbury because he wasn't very reasoned in his reasons for banning people (and letting other behaviors stick around), and chose to not stick around because of that, but what he did wasn't immoral - it was "his" forum.

Unlike Saulsbury, loyal administrates for us, not himself. But if we're having problems with Joe, because he is detracting from the forum's potential for interesting discussions that everyone else wants to have...why not get rid of him? This is not the environment for a twenty-page constitution, habeas corpus, and digressions about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. loyal won't say it, but he definitely wants a Joe-free board. If we all agree to it, why the fuck not? Because we didn't treat Mav the same way? MEH.

(And, it's not that Joe is different, or only posts in two forums - it's that Joe doesn't seem to agree with basic fundamental principles of KJ - being, you know, somewhat open-minded and respectful).

Joe has not done anything worthy of being banned. As far as warnings go, they need to be sent to every member and told not to respond his when he makes his wierd remarks. Hes a fine poster in box office n cinemania, but agree with the shit he tries to start; its very obvious he does for the attention which makes me feel sorry for him yet annoyed with him.

if people would stop fighting with him-wether he starts it or they do-the problem would be solved.

And it goes on..

I really don't think Joe is SUCH a big problem on this boards.. at least not ban-worthy.

You make an excellent point. Here is the problem, it is cyclical. Somebody says something. Joe responds with a comment that could be viewed as highly sarcastic, humorous or (to some people) insensitive or rude -- it all depends on how you view it. Then, somebody else responds calling Joe out on it, then Joe responds defensively, then another person tells Joe he's an idiot or something etc. etc. etc. and it is all downhill.

I am not advocating for some of the things he has said, however, I think the problem would become less if people would stop responding. Just ignore it. Nobody made you the god of the internet forums where you have to call out every person for what they say, be it unreasonable, insensitive etc. Just ignore it. By doing so you diffuse the problem.

The very nature of some of the comments (on both sides) is attention getting. They want a response. If you deny that response, then the situation is diffused, simple as that.

He's harmless, if you can just ignore him. I read his posts and see a LOT of shit that bugs me (all those little "meaningless" comments that aren't really meaningless if you pay any attention to anything)...but so what? Just stop engaging him if you don't like it. I don't think he deserves to be banned for it.

I agree. I haven't seen anything banworthy, except for creating around him a negative aura. But perception is a two-way street you know. I don't really like him, but I still read his posts and enjoy them if I can. Everything else I just let it flow over me and write it off as a conflict of personality. That really is not worth a ban.

But if I'm in the minority on this I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong.

Joe's comments to Loyal in the other thread are clearly picking a fight. He's also stated in another thread he wants to be banned. If he wants let it happen.

I know people say ignore him, and in general I think people do, but Joe goes out of his way to say stuff just to annoy people. I know there is the whole if you ignore them, they'll go away, he I doubt he will.

Honestly, I see two people advocating for Joe, Ericka his friend, and Jeff. In fact I keep reading both of them about how we all gang up on Joe.

If you go around forum trying hard to be asshole, and you get ganged up I'm not going to feel sorry.

And using the I am suicidal and need help thing comes off as piss poor crutch at this point.

I'm not saying ban him, but if you did, you know I wouldn't miss him, not one bit.

That is as diplomatic I can say what I actually think on this subject.

*cracks up*

As I've told Mav and Joe many times in the past, working for the main site has no bearing on the forum. You are still subject to the same rules as every other member.

shouldn't months of warning equal at least a one week ban already?

I'm more advocating for people actually just not over-reacting and trying to be civil rather than for or against any person. I would say the same things in the Mav thread but I didn't want to double post. And I adopt the same policy (usually) with people here that I "don't like".

I can't stand him.

That is known.

You and Michael/Getluv have your little run ins.

I'm fine with not over-reacting, but I'm not going to treat someone differently because they or others keep saying they are suicidal. I don't care if someone is claiming they are suicidal, it doesn't give them to right to be rude and everyone else is just supposed to ignore them.

When a poster attracts the dislike of several other posters, maybe it because its deserved attention.

Yes, we do. And they were a lot more common but I think we (well at least Michael. and myself) just pretty much ignore each other now. I'm not saying I'm perfect, and hell we all have our spastic moments.

It's just my opinion on a way to deal with it. Take it as you will: an opinion. I realize I'm in the minority and have little to no say in the matter so...ya know, I'm just giving how I felt since everyone else did.

I think alot of people, like myself mostly ignore Joe, but when I glance by something he says that funny, rude, whatever I am not filtering my response because he might have mental issues.

That is my ultimate, if you act like an ass, suicidal or not, its quite likely people will call you an ass.

Just to clarify: I do not have any spastic moments. Ever.

12 faces.

OMG. I was thinking the same thing too but I didn't say it.

There were 12 faces.

This.