Rusty, I edited my post, look back at it.

They are lunatics out of delusion. Not because they want to live the olden life, but because they think they can escape technology forever. Our technocracy across the world is omnipotent and will eventually be omnipresent--some day, they will succumb to it, and they are deluded if they think they can escape.

Don't put words into my mouth, Neo, I was only talking about religious purges in Stalinist USSR, not about the various other purges.

As long as there are billions of people in this world there will always be wars,weather there is religion or not.There was already wars even before organized religion was invented,in those days their was war for territory(and still today)and those wars that killed many people had nothing to do with religion.

Of course, I never said that religion was the only cause of war. Many, many wars have been started because of religion, however, like al-Qaida's "Jihad" on us, the ethnic and religious cleansing in the Sudan, or further back, the Crusades, etc., etc., etc.

I have good personal values based on my upbringing than any stupid religion which was basically setup to control the weak minded. More people have been killed using religion as an excuse. Religious fanatics in history have been bad enough to put even the most evil dictators like Hitler and Stalin to shame.

We need organized religion like we need a hole in the head. Believe in a supreme being and live your life to the best of your ability with good virtues. That is far better than any religion.

Iran and Saudi Arabia currently are the most religious nations. Do you want our country to be a theocracy modeled after those? Look what has religion done to Ireland. Religion is the problem not the answer.

I noticed you edited it after and well just didn't feel like editing my post...

But you're right that the Amish will eventually succumb and they are starting to. I've seen an Amish family driving a minivan once. Don't ask, I just seen it. And please don't think I'm defending Amish culture. Amish culture has so many problems, especially on the women's rights issues.

Those are excuses for starting wars.the real reason those wars happen not because of diffrence of faiths but for territory,the thing is that the power that be used religion to have support from the people,they lied to those people and brainwashed them by using their faiths and pitting them against others,those leaders didnt really give a shit about religion,it was all because of power.

*smack* ZZ Top aren't Amish.

a) Ooh, Yiddish terms!

b) Religion isn't the problem, the problem is that most leaders and people are too stupid, evil or corrupt to properly balance it.

... they're jewish... obviously

You are making the best case for not having religiion. The teachings are not the problem. Unfortunately, flawed human beings preach it and follow it the way they see it right.

The Crusades WERE for territory, yes, but in the name of religion (the Arabs, Christians and Jews all wanted Jerusalem in the name of their beliefs), the religious purges in the Sudan are for religious and ethnic reasons, and al-Qaida's Jihad is because they are misguided in their interpretation of Islam and insane in bloodlust for "infidels".

Yes, those are religious reasons, however misguided.

An example of what you are saying is Hitler, who was a Christian, but a sick and evil one.

Religion is most certainly needed! You can even look at ancient civilisations, they needed religion to base their laws and keep people in check so anarchy doesn't break loose. Ancient greece had myths that taught people not to do certain things so that the gods would not be angered. That kept people in check. Now-a-days religion is not as big of a social factor as it used to be but it's still needed. So if you want religion gone, might as well say goodbye to all of our laws because it is based upon the ten commandments. Just look how old those are and see how we still use/need religion.

Sure, but there are plenty of religious people who use it for good and benevolence, too bad there aren't more of them and especially more of them in power in places like the Middle East.

It is possible to be not religious and have set values, but how common that would be if people without a religion were far more widespread, I have no idea.

Hitler was most defenitly not a christian and he never said he was.Hitler didnt go after christians or the church because he was afraid he was going to lose support from the people.Read your history books,hitler always hated the catholic church and he had plans with mussolini to kidnap and take away The Pope and destroy the catholic church but his advisers said he shouldnt or he would lose support from people.You can say that the majority of german christians in those days were sick for turning a blind eye to what was happening.

Ok, it's been disputed if Hitler was a Christian or not, so I won't argue. He wanted to kill everyone, so I doubt he cared. (Besides, he might have been a Protestant rather than Catholic.)

Destroying Pope Pius would have been the ONE good thing Hitler done, considering how morally vile he was. Then again, it's strange Hitler wanted to rid of him, considering Pius was an anti-semite and turned a blind eye on the Jews of Europe rather than helping them. They should have been friends. :???:

I know, which is why I'm cautious when approaching those ancient texts.


You know, it's quite interesting. I have been discussing the issue of the differences in ideas and concepts between different periods of time with my friends. Considering that the term 'homosexual' did not exist until the late 19th century, I am opposed to a re-evaluation of texts written prior to that period to suit our tastes.

For examples, there are no homosexuals in Dante. You can call them sodomites if you will, but I am highly uncomfortable with using the term 'homosexual', and what it implies, when discussing Dante.


I'm even more reluctant to use it to refer to The Bible.

That being said, I think I stated in the first few pages that there are grounds for abuse; people will use passages from the Bible and interpret them in whichever way they like, which is unfortunate, but has been a consistent feature for millenias.


Dolcevita, what do you think of taking current concepts and ideas and applying them to the past? I personally am not comfortable with the idea.

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Boxie, check your pm box for my response. I wouldn't want to bore people who think that interesting posts involve genocide suggestions or molestation. Just do me a favor bkb while you snooze there and fantasize about Auswitz part due with Algren. Since you guys seem so confortable with the idea, by all means shave your heads, strip, lather up with a soap bar made from the burned bodies of your brether and suffocate on the gas first ok? Since you guys seem so comfortable with the idea of course, and so encouraging of it you should lead the way. Treat others as you would have them treat you?

Honey, do me and yourself a favor and take some time off from this site will ya??? [-o< I put :Sleep: as my response cause this topic has been done a 100 times over and everytime, we still come up with the same results: People being offended cause others not agreeing with the engagement and subject of "Butt Pirating" and as a result, it's like a Parting of the Red Sea at this site when it comes to the subject and you goddamn know fully well it does nothing but cause a huge fucking flame war, LITERALLY... What was the point of this thread that differs from any other thread posted in the past about the topic of homosexuality??? No one is swayed either way and alot of people don't agree with it.. Now what Dolcevita?? Now what??? What have you accomplished here?? ](*,) Nothing cause it's the same response every time.. Some agree with it, others don't.. Got it?? It's that simple so on that note: :Sleep: is what I think of this and you..

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Please provide me with the link where algren said gays should be put into concentration camps?

If you think it's such an unwarranted and ignorant topic then don't post in it, and while your at it try to refrain from despariging remarks about the gay community we have here at KJ."But Pirating"

I seriously hope he is joking with that asinine comment. That is without a doubt the most disgusting thing I have ever heard on any message board. Algren, you dont look cool or "hard" by trying to act all tough and throw out remarks at gay people...your just making yourself look like an ignorat bigot...