Didn't Hurley tell Locke to push the button with the wrong code? I guess for fear that the numbers are unlucky so only good would happen if the wrong numbers were entered.

No, he didn't say anything but when Jack said the right number, he dropped his head in disappointment.

I think alot fo viewers are getting "iffy" with the exact direction the show is going with all different plots but the thing you have to realize is everyone didn't know what AT ALL to expect and all these theories came up and people speculated for months where it could go. When we actually get there, alot of fantasy plots or directions fans created aren't what we are seeing.

Now I'm nto saying you're getting diappointed because it's not the way you want it. In fact, I'm not even responding to your post directly....

they are taking a very long time (not that it's a bad thing) setting up the plot for this season. And I think they are doing a masterful job. they barely showed anything from the raft survivors, so how can you be that let-down? All we found out is that Ana-Lucia has formed some sort fo friendship/alliance on some of the people on the island!

anyway... too much too talk about, too little time. I gotta go catch a movie.!!

At this pace, the entire season will span one week.

I was just so happy we got back to daylight. The night scenes are so dreary visually-wise. We want to see the beautiful Hawaii!

According to the training film, they implied their were 3 other stations on the island. I only watched the episode once, so if I'm wrong on the three part, at least they strongly implied their were others. The most logical thing for the team to do now would be to take a journey around the island, get a rough general map of it's circumference and try to deduce where the other stations are.

But instead I have a feeling what they will do is:
"I'm a man of science!"
"I'm a man of faith!"
"Dude those numbers are evil, oh look food."
"Hey I'm a sexy fugitive, why is Jack ignoring me?"

My main issue is that this might turn out as another X-Files which was great in the beginning, but ruined later on. I am afraid that the story will be way too confusing and there will be more mysteries than the authors can plausibly solve at the end. I am fine with getting new mysteries along the way, but what about starting to find out something about the older ones. All we get are more and more and more questions with none of them being answered. That is good for the time being, but if it goes on for another whole season with not a single clear solution, then I would be very disappointed.

The training film is online by the way. You can view it in flash right here: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

It's interesting to try to figure out all the "cuts" and such that were made to the video...all of the bits of audio spliced out.

It depends on what you cosnider the most important questions...

I think this last episode answered a huge question for me and did it in style... the basis for Locke's faith!

The fact remains that the season is only starting. It's not a good start for Lecter, Loyal, or Archie, but wait till the season progresses a little.

Well, I have come to realize that our interests for the show just lie in different areas which is fine of course. Glad to see you satisfied, but I need a little more for myself. Your interest is obviously good character development, but I think that ths far we have already had a lot of it(some of the best I have ever seen on TV), but too little stuff being revealed. Frankly, I just don't want this to be another Twin Peaks either, where nothing ever gets resolved.

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on it, it's just at it's best it is the best TV show I've ever seen and I hate to see it make misteps. I guess my fear is that it will go down the Alias/Rambaldi path of incomprehensibility and boredom but I know you like Alias so I don't expect you to agree, I'm just explaining my p.o.v.

I love Alias and I don't wholeheartedly agree, but I understand exactly what you mean.

The thing that so many fans and viewers don't get is that Lost isn't the kind of show where they can keep going and adding huge series arcs. It's not like Alias where it can re-invent itself. Starting the show off with some mystery and sci-fi they have to know what this show is going to be and how they're going to go about doing it.

As the writers have mentioned, they paved the way for about 4-5 years when in initial writing but left room to kind of shift or find new avenues to explore. I think that's what Season 1 did... Season 1 was about finding its focus. The point is you can't start a show liek this and then add all this huge amount of mystery-mythology without knowing where its going. It can't even really be compared to X-Files... because X-files you kind of know what's out there and the show is in not the search for the truth, but the search in exposing it.

We don't know what the truth is on Lost. the creators do. They most certainly do. They have an endgame, they've stated it... they're molding the show to start fitting into the grand scheme of the entire series. The thing is, I can see them stretching it out for a 6th year, assuming everybody is on board.

I think what might kill Lost prematurely or have it die a slow painful death is not the lack or loss of steam the writers/creators might have but keeping all the actors and all the talent attached for so long. they have enough genius in them to spin it around for years and years. I, personally, would like to see it top off at Season 5, max, but I do have faith that they can carry it on! I think what they should do is make the entire series one year on the island!

You do realise it isn't really an actual foundation? A site in the same field as OceanicFlight815.com etc

Don't worry, I'm with Raffiki on this and I understand completely. I agree with it a bit, too. Sure, I didn't mind the Rambaldi stuff as much as others did, but I certainly don't want to see Lost go down a path where they basically talk circles around themselves, and lose sight of everything.

Seeing parts of the 2nd episode again, here are 2 interesting things.

- One locke said that when Desmond met him, Desmond was asking lots of questions about the Lost people. If Desmond was really stresses and into his job, I would think that he should have been more convincing in explaining to LOcke the importance of pushing the button.

This just seems like a set-up or an experiment I talked about before.

- And when the tape was played, it seemed like the tape was cut. In the middle it said, use the computer only to ......... and then there was a break in the tape onto a different topic.

Can anyone confirm that.

Yeah I noticed the tape being cut too, it looks like the explanation of why to push the button is cut out on purpose.

Yeah there quite a few cuts in the tape, also did you find it strange at all Locke wanted to rewatch it? I think he mentioned 2-3 time to Jack.

A theory going round was that in the season premier, the man shown waking up, making breakfast, working out etc was not Desmond but maybe Kalvin (the guy who died).

It would make quite a bit of sense.

How does that make any sense.
And it does look like Desmond, though they don't show his face!

C'mon this is lost dammit! Anything is possible.
twas a flashback. It would make a bit of sense : Do you think in a few minutes Desmonds state of mind would change in such a big way? In the beginning he seems normal, sliding across the floor on the chair, working out, jumping out of bed, washing up dishes -maybe someone elses? All in all, seemingly happy about hatch-life. Once we actually get to meet Desmond, he seems very aggravated, moody and generally in a totally different state of mind, compared to a few moments before. The "explosion" could have been maybe the Nigerian plane crashing or possibly Desmond finding the hatch. I recomend rewatching the that first scene, you'll see it in a different light.

Ummm.. ok

When he feels the xplosion he starts to look into that telescopy thingy... from mirror to mirrot to mirrot until from the final mirror we zoom up the stairwell of the hatch and see Locke and Jack's heads looking down. So, the esplosion was indeed them blowing open the hatch door!

As far as why his stae of mind is so different? He's been down there quite some time, living as normally as he can... getting used a pretty repetitive and mundane lifestyle! When he finds that there are intruders, who BLOW UP the hatch door, he gets very anxious and doesn't exactly know what to do. To him the fate of the world lies in his fingers and now that may be compromised. He wasn't ready for new people... how would one normally react???

oh well. We'll find out soon I guess. Also with the mirror to mirror to see locke and jack thing, I was thinking it was a flashback (sort of similar to the Boone scene - dream sequence; it seemed very rreal)Also I could've sworn the computer was in a different place. Wasn't the computer in the same room as the beds? Also, it deliberately leaves out "desmonds" face in the entire scene.

Yeah, so the ending would be surprising because Jack had met him before. Also, the first scene was to keep people guessing as to who it was.. I first thought it was Jack or Locke.

Hmmm, not sure if it has been mentioned here, but I read at IMDB boards that the truck driver that died when Jack was saving Sarah in the season's premiere was Shannon's father. They said the name "Rutherford" could be seen somewhere...

Also something someone pointed out to me, in the 3rd episode you sort of make out the dharma logo on the plane wreckage. It a bit faded, but looks awfully similar