I'd say that it has to be said that Mike is an utter moron. Luckily, his posts do the job wonderfully on their own.

I don´t care how you call it... It someone tells me I´m unnatural, perverted, that the love I feel for my boyfriend/girlfriend is not "real" and that I live in sin, but then add... "But I don´t hate you, you know. Hate is bad", I think my only appropiate response would be walk away thinking They´re assholes - or just to give the middle finger. Is that hatred? Whatever? I´m entitled to feel aversion for those who denigrate me. I don´t care if it´s a pope or a bum.

Or maybe the Pope is just not a "true Bible follower". Some people think so

I hate idiotic gay people.
But i also hate idiotic straight people.
Idiotic black people.
Idiotic purple people.
Idiotic people people.

I hate myself.

Well I can't be a complete and utter moron if I can read and write fine. Just because I have a couple of opinions you disagree with I'm a complete and utter moron? Umm, ok . At least I know better than that.

But then you can't just say that you hate The Pope and single him out, but say that you hate every relgious person (at least Christians and Muslims) who all think that homosexuality is a sin, no?

It's not the opinions you have, Mike, it's the way you express them.

I just find it funny how you make these assumptions that everyone hates gay people and there out to get you so you must hate everyone FIRST.

Who are you referring to?

Not us, I suppose.

Holy shit, are you just trying to prove my point or something? Like seriously... I think my brain just died a little bit...

We are entering in word play territory. Do I have the time or strenght to hate everyone who thinks I am pervert? No.

Do I have the time and strenght to hate someone that represents all those people and what they stand for, hate-wise? Yes.

Do I have the time to hate every nazi soldier? No. Do I hav the strenght to hate Hitler, who was their visible leader? Yes. (BTW, no, I am not comparing nazis with the catholic church. The same could be said with anti-enviromental institutions. Do I hate anyone that doesn´t recycle? No, but I do hate strong feelings against those who are public advocates for not recycling)

That is what happens to political heads. I wouldn´t hate even one single member of the KKK if I met them, probably: but their leader, that is another matter. I can hate him, what he represents, and what he says... which is what others follow.

The pope is "everyone"?

News to me. I though God was everywhere, but apart from that...

Sunday ratings are so popular.

Gee, I didn't know you need time and strength to hate someone/something.

Considering what you are describing, though, you don't hate the persons, but the ideology.

Thus you must hate Islam and Christianity and not the Pope. Make up your mind.

This is like saying you can hate nazism, but not Hitler. Or the french far right, but not Le Pen.

The Pope reprsents the Christian church. He is the head of catholic organized religion. And therefore he stands for/advocates some ideas that I find terrible and full of - yes - hatred.

We all hate some people, some ideas, some institutions. I try to "hate", or dislike, only those who attack or try to put me, or those I love, down. And I don´t feel bad about it.

I hate Le Pen no more than his followers, anything different would be selective and hypocritic. Also, you don't want to say that you hate Hitler, but not hate nazism, right? Thus, you can say that you hate The Pope AND Christianity and Islam (and all the other religions condemning homosexuality), but not single out a person as a target of hatred.

Also, is it right to hate only those who say things openly, but not hate those who think exactly the same things and believe in them, but just don't speak about them?

I hate Le Pen more than his followers, clearly. They may be supporters, but this is the guy whose job is hate. He dedicates his life to it. He wakes up every mornibng and goes to work, work which consists, amongst other things, on making inmigrants look evil. He is not "just another racist guy". He is, to put it bluntly, the boss of them all... Why is that hypocritic at all?

Your second sentence, just simply, doesn´t make sense. If I tell you "I hate you", if It´s more right for you to hate me than If I think it but don´t say? Duh, If I don´t say it, how are you suppossed to know?

In any case, you know what´s funny? If the Pope would say "Gee, It´s not that bad to be gay, I even had some funbky experiences in the past" - or something like that -, or just acknowledge the fact that same-sex relationships can be sane, things would change. Many of his supporters would change too, like they have done in the past with othr matters. he has that power, yet he keeps, IMO, using it for the spread of hatred.

Ideologies change. They are always in the hands of people, mainly leaders. I don´t hate christianity but those guys who, having the chance of making it more human and stop insulting me personally, don´t do it.

I hate Le Pen more than his followers, clearly. They may be supporters, but this is the guy whose job is hate. He dedicates his life to it. He wakes up every mornibng and goes to work, work which consists, amongst other things, on making inmigrants look evil. He is not "just another racist guy". He is, to put it bluntly, the boss of them all... Why is that hypocritic at all?

Your second sentence, just simply, doesn´t make sense. If I tell you "I hate you", if It´s more right for you to hate me than If I think it but don´t say? Duh, If I don´t say it, how are you suppossed to know?

In any case, you know what´s funny? If the Pope would say "Gee, It´s not that bad to be gay, I even had some funky experiences in the past" - or something like that -, or just acknowledge the fact that same-sex relationships can be sane, things would change. Many of his supporters would change too, like they have done in the past with othr matters. he has that power, yet he keeps, IMO, using it for the spread of hatred.

Ideologies change. They are always in the hands of people, mainly leaders. I don´t hate christianity but those guys who, having the chance of making it more human and stop insulting me personally, don´t do it.

I hate Le Pen more than his followers, clearly. They may be supporters, but this is the guy whose job is hate. He dedicates his life to it. He wakes up every mornibng and goes to work, work which consists, amongst other things, on making inmigrants look evil. He is not "just another racist guy". He is, to put it bluntly, the boss of them all... Why is that hypocritic at all?

Your second sentence, just simply, doesn´t make sense. If I tell you "I hate you", if It´s more right for you to hate me than If I think it but don´t say? Duh, If I don´t say it, how are you suppossed to know?

In any case, you know what´s funny? If the Pope would say "Gee, It´s not that bad to be gay, I even had some funky experiences in the past" - or something like that -, or just acknowledge the fact that same-sex relationships can be sane, things would change. Many of his supporters would change too, like they have done in the past with othr matters. he has that power, yet he keeps, IMO, using it for the spread of hatred.

Ideologies change. They are always in the hands of people, mainly leaders. I don´t hate christianity but those guys who, having the chance of making religion more human and stop insulting me personally, keep their ways.

Interestingly enough those whose "job" it is to hate are sometimes less convinced of it than their followers and just say that to achieve their personal goals, knowing that they can garner a certain following.

The fact that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity has been there for thousands of years and it will not change. So if The Poipe is supposed to be a representative of the Christians, what on earth do you expect him to say? That Homosexuality is cool and all? And people would follow? No, they would just get another Pope who follows the laws of the Bible rightfully.

And my other point was the The Pope says these things, but millions of others think the very same things and they don't need The Pope to tell them that in order for them to think that. So why concentrate the hatred on one person?

And if the Pope just spreads hatred out of his own convenience... is that supposed to make me like him more or what?



That is debatable. Many people - not me, not an expert - will contest you the fact that what the Bible condems is homosexuality as we know it today. But, in any case, the church has changed its views on many aspects on life through the years. The earth was flat, remember? And those who said otherwise were sent to hell. The church changes its views, sometimes subtly, others not so much, to go along with the times.

But unlike It happens with other issues, as society gets more accpeting of homosexuality, the church goes more against it - hence the latest news about forbidding gay people to be priests. Of course things are better now than they were in past Centuries, but still, while society seems to go forward, the catholic church seems to go backwards. And the last Popes, obviously, have more than a say on that. They have full responsability. If they weren´t to do it, they would be replaced? Probably, It´s still their choice.



I don´t hate the people cause he causes all hompophobes to be homophobic. I hate him cause he helps spread hatred and homophobia around, and insults me personally, and that affects me cause he is powerful.

Honestly, if you can not understand why the rejection against one particular group can be concentrated on its leader, I don´t know what else to say...

Can we move this discussion on a different thread?

Sorry...

LOL!

I dunno... but it seems that "Sunday Ratings" can turn a lot of people off.