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zwackerm
Hold the door!
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
A good compromise for these statues would be putting them in a museum I guess. That way the protesters can have their history without the offended feeling like we're honoring slavers.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:43 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
They are putting some of them in museums and others in cemeteries. I don't think they are destroying any of them.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:20 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Musuems would be a great place
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:33 pm |
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
I think people who honor history and heritage should hold no objections to erecting a Robert E Lee statue with Lee posing as a surrenderer, hands up, weapons down. It is a beautiful, beautiful way to honor history and heritage.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:47 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Trump is also a fan of that stupid fake pig blood bullet story about General Pershing. What a history buff...
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:44 pm |
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Groucho
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Jedi Master Carr wrote: I think there are two things going wrong. Trump believes he is never wrong, and he will double down if people challenge him on that. Second is Steve Bannon and Steve Miller, those two guys are white nationalists who have pushed him in that direction. I think we will see his approval numbers go down further, and it will make things more difficult for him to accomplish anything before the midterms, except keep the government running.
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Groucho
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
i.hope wrote: I think people who honor history and heritage should hold no objections to erecting a Robert E Lee statue with Lee posing as a surrenderer, hands up, weapons down. It is a beautiful, beautiful way to honor history and heritage.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:33 am |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Bannondorf is out. If we can get Sessions and DeVos out we might be able to salvage these next few years if Trump doesn't resign by then
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25020 Location: Anchorage,Alaska
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
bye bye bannon
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:46 pm |
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DP07
Homo Dperious
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 14480 Location: Everywhere
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Jedi Master Carr wrote: Personally, I wish we could ban Nazis like Germany has. We could easily declare them a terrorist group since they spout terrorist ideas. And a few of there members have caused terrorism (Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh come to mind). If you want to use the law, the best way would be to amend the constitution that so person could be affected by the law for being who they are, or for making a decision that is only for themselves (at least if they are not hurting themselves). However, that would never pass because it would apply to things like abortion or gay rights.
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DP07
Homo Dperious
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:26 am Posts: 14480 Location: Everywhere
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Darth Indiana Bond wrote: So many nazi apologists It's not acceptable to think differently because you a convinced you understand it for everyone and will treat them the worst if they don't fall in line. The idea of the aryan race reflects something that is as false as ideas get. No culture or people can be denied respect for everything they are that is genuine and true. If you could remove the idea of the aryan race however, the person that remains, the same person, is not worthless. I don't care what you respect about blame for the nazis, because ultimately the truth speaks for itself.
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DP07
Homo Dperious
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Malcolm wrote: The orange POS has now come out in defense of statues/monuments to the Confederacy spouting the usual "heritage," "history," and "who's next? Washington? Jefferson?" line of garbage. He apparently suffers the same misconception that the people who created the country and those who actively tried to dismantle it in the name of continuing to own other humans are on the same footing.
So, is supporting/exalting treasonous figures from a country's past--people who tried to destroy the country as we know it, including the precious Constitution the GOP claims to love so much--another noble, defendable act? I bet if the rebels were breaking away from America because of slavery they would be traitors. But at least you're admitting it is nationalism at the root.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
DP07 wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: So many nazi apologists It's not acceptable to think differently because you a convinced you understand it for everyone and will treat them the worst if they don't fall in line. The idea of the aryan race reflects something that is as false as ideas get. No culture or people can be denied respect for everything they are that is genuine and true. If you could remove the idea of the aryan race however, the person that remains, the same person, is not worthless. I don't care what you respect about blame for the nazis, because ultimately the truth speaks for itself. You really unpacked a lot of a short sentence. Nice straw man points too. I don't have a problem with difference in opinion. I have a problem with Nazis and don't feel the need to waste energy defending them.
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 67043
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Terminating hate by hating the losers. Interesting approach.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:15 pm |
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DP07
Homo Dperious
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Darth Indiana Bond wrote: DP07 wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: So many nazi apologists It's not acceptable to think differently because you a convinced you understand it for everyone and will treat them the worst if they don't fall in line. The idea of the aryan race reflects something that is as false as ideas get. No culture or people can be denied respect for everything they are that is genuine and true. If you could remove the idea of the aryan race however, the person that remains, the same person, is not worthless. I don't care what you respect about blame for the nazis, because ultimately the truth speaks for itself. You really unpacked a lot of a short sentence. Nice straw man points too. I don't have a problem with difference in opinion. I have a problem with Nazis and don't feel the need to waste energy defending them. Maybe it's all the anger getting to me.
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DP07
Homo Dperious
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
i.hope wrote: I think people who honor history and heritage should hold no objections to erecting a Robert E Lee statue with Lee posing as a surrenderer, hands up, weapons down. It is a beautiful, beautiful way to honor history and heritage. Lol, you certainly can't say that's changing history. Post of the thread.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Trump tweets in favor of the counter protesters today. I wonder how the absense of Banondorf will effect the presidency
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tree and a half
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
The Electronic Frontier Foundation posted an important essay this week on the corporate reactions to Charlottesville: Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free ExpressionQuote: It might seem unlikely now that Internet companies would turn against sites supporting racial justice or other controversial issues. But if there is a single reason why so many individuals and companies are acting together now to unite against neo-Nazis, it is because a future that seemed unlikely a few years ago—where white nationalists and Nazis have significant power and influence in our society—now seems possible. We would be making a mistake if we assumed that these sorts of censorship decisions would never turn against causes we love. I recommend making time to read it.
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:26 pm Posts: 20347 Location: Where they shot Knock at the Cabin
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:57 pm |
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Groucho
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
zwackerm wrote: Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse Making a point obviously
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:58 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Groucho wrote: zwackerm wrote: Don't know if this is a true story, but it looks like the new Mayor of Hell, Michigan just banned heterosexuals from engaging in heterosexual intercourse Making a point obviously What point? All sorts of consensual intercourse are legal everywhere in America.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:23 pm |
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Algren
now we know
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
There is actually a place called Hell.
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
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Yah, it's called zwakwerms mind, where he chooses words like intercouse to sound less creepy
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Shack
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
I thought zwacks was just calling it Hell cause it's a place where the mayor bans hetero intercourse, that's funny
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