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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Libs wrote: In other news, Trump taking the U.S. out of the Paris accord is a despicable disgrace. Screw this guy. History will judge. Why didn't Obama submit the agreement to the Senate to try to make it a treaty? I can't believe Obama took such an important issue for granted and half-assed it. Under Nixon came the EPA. If Nixon (the most evil president after Trump), could do that, why couldn't Obama? I can't believe he just assumed Hillary would win and didn't protect his achievements. History will judge.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:27 pm |
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Caius
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Jmart wrote: zwackerm wrote: The Paris Agreement is going to lessen climate change by well less than 1% by the year 2100. I don't see what the big deal is. So fuck it? The US and China are #1 & #2 (I believe in that order) as being the worst offenders. With the US backing out, Trump is basically telling everyone to go fuck themselves as he'll set it up that there are no checks. No checks speeds up the warming (which he doesn't "believe" in because...greed and idiocy) and we won't have to worry about 2100, cause fuck our children. Hopefully not too much damage is done in 3.5 years even if we're already past the point of no return. I bet the near term goals of the agreement are met by the U.S. regardless of whether or not we are in it. Nobody will remember that in 4 years.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:34 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
It just seems like a lot of money and time for something that might just barely make a difference in the end.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:59 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Meanwhile we still don't use the metric system
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i.hope
Defeats all expectations
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
The White House is the house of "truths". Quote: From Dr. John Sterman, MIT/Climate Interactive and Andrew Jones, Climate Interactive, White House talking points on the decision to leave the Paris Agreement state: According to researchers at MIT, if all member nations met their obligations, the impact on the climate would be negligible. The impacts have been estimated to be likely to reduce global temperature rise by less than 0.2 degrees Celsius in 2100. We are not these researchers and this is not our finding. Our Climate Scoreboard is a collaboration between Climate Interactive and the MIT Sloan School of Management System Dynamics Group. Our business as usual, reference scenario leads to expected warming by 2100 of 4.2°C. Full implementation of current Paris pledges plus all announced mid-century strategies would reduce expected warming by 2100 to 3.3°C, a difference of 0.9°C. https://www.climateinteractive.org/insights/response-to-white-house-talking-points-on-paris-agreement/Quote: According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8° Celsius (1.4° Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade. A one-degree global change is significant because it takes a vast amount of heat to warm all the oceans, atmosphere, and land by that much. In the past, a one- to two-degree drop was all it took to plunge the Earth into the Little Ice Age. A five-degree drop was enough to bury a large part of North America under a towering mass of ice 20,000 years ago. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:24 am |
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48626 Location: Arlington, VA
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Caius wrote: I think you support Trump. Even if you're not conscious of it. What kind of inane, messy straw man is this supposed to be? I also can't believe you're blaming Obama for this. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, y'all like to blame Obama for every thing that's ever happened in history.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:34 am |
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Chippy
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Caius is a troll. Always has been, always will be. He purposely attempts to be a contrarian because he fucking hates himself.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:02 am |
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Libs
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
I don't think Caius is a troll, I just don't understand his viewpoints. I'd like to, without straw man fallacies and somehow blaming Obama for Trump taking us out of the Paris agreement.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:13 am |
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Chippy
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
"I got robbed!"
"Well, you didn't lock your front door, so it's your fault"
"Umm... no, it's the robbers fault, you dimwit"
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:21 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Quote: Trump will next try to bring down special interest group Netflix in an effort to bring back thousands of Blockbuster jobs.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:38 am |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Get those older Blockbuster employee votes
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:51 am |
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BK
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Trump is going to die in office.
I think it's depressingly hilarious that America has gone FUBAR with even China and Putin having the common sense to see the reality of global warming.
I mean, how stupid can people get? Really incredible how many idiots there are in America. Utterly hilarious. How does a country, how does a people become like this? Would make a good study for aliens, because you know, you'd all be dead by then.
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BK
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Excel wrote: Comey testifying next week. I know he won't be impeached, but it's really lovely how the blubbering, brainless Republicans are all lining up to suck The Donald's cock. In an ideal world, all of them will go to federal prison. Would love to see Trump in prison, and be a fly on the wall when some muscle dude decides he wants Trumps ass. Oh the spin he would be telling himself in his cell.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:16 pm |
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Groucho
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Nothing matters any more. Facts don't matter, reputations don't matter, friends don't matter. Everything we've ever been taught about politics don't matter.
It's like we're in Bizarro America.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:01 pm |
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zwackerm
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Libs wrote: Caius wrote: I think you support Trump. Even if you're not conscious of it. What kind of inane, messy straw man is this supposed to be? I also can't believe you're blaming Obama for this. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, y'all like to blame Obama for every thing that's ever happened in history. It's not like Obama blamed Bush for everything.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:22 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
zwackerm wrote: Libs wrote: Caius wrote: I think you support Trump. Even if you're not conscious of it. What kind of inane, messy straw man is this supposed to be? I also can't believe you're blaming Obama for this. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, y'all like to blame Obama for every thing that's ever happened in history. It's not like Obama blamed Bush for everything. You mean like the War Bush started? Or the Economy Bush collapsed? I'd so those are pretty clearly his fault. You're equating those things to... joining every other country on Earth in a Climate Agreement?
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:42 pm |
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i.hope
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
You can say the present is much more important than the future. You can ignore scientific findings. But when you twist the facts and put words into others mouths, you lose credibility and should be ridiculed. Quote: Trump announced during a speech at the White House Rose Garden that he had decided to pull out of the landmark climate deal, in part because it would not reduce global temperatures fast enough to have a significant impact.
"Even if the Paris Agreement were implemented in full, with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only produce a two-tenths of one degree Celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100," Trump said.
"Tiny, tiny amount."
That claim was attributed to research conducted by MIT, according to White House documents seen by Reuters. The Cambridge, Massaschusetts-based research university published a study in April 2016 titled "How much of a difference will the Paris Agreement make?" showing that if countries abided by their pledges in the deal, global warming would slow by between 0.6 degree and 1.1 degrees Celsius by 2100. 0.2 degree is not the same as 0.6-1.1 degrees. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-trump-mit-idUSKBN18S6L0http://news.mit.edu/2016/how-much-difference-will-paris-agreement-make-0422
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:47 pm |
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zwackerm
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Chippy wrote: zwackerm wrote: Libs wrote: Caius wrote: I think you support Trump. Even if you're not conscious of it. What kind of inane, messy straw man is this supposed to be? I also can't believe you're blaming Obama for this. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, y'all like to blame Obama for every thing that's ever happened in history. It's not like Obama blamed Bush for everything. You mean like the War Bush started? Or the Economy Bush collapsed? I'd so those are pretty clearly his fault. You're equating those things to... joining every other country on Earth in a Climate Agreement? Obama kept those wars going and while decreasing the unemployment rate, increased the debt by $9 trillion dollars.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:34 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
You did not make a point with your post. Did Obama blame Bush for keeping the wars going? Did he blame Bush for the increase in debt?
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:36 pm |
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zwackerm
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
When people criticize Obama for not ending the wars and not improving the economy significantly, people say "well you try cleaning up Bush's mess!"
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:29 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
zwackerm wrote: It's not like Obama blamed Bush for everything.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:39 pm |
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zwackerm
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Usually when someone says "but Obama" it's to point out hypocrisy, not to defend the act.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:18 pm |
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Caius
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Libs wrote: Caius wrote: I think you support Trump. Even if you're not conscious of it. What kind of inane, messy straw man is this supposed to be? I also can't believe you're blaming Obama for this. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, y'all like to blame Obama for every thing that's ever happened in history. You stated lots of white men are racist. Even if they are not conscious of it. Unless you are capable of reading minds, I don't understand how you know that. If they claim to not be racist and don't act racist, I will take them at their word. Just like I will take you at your word that you dislike Trump. As for being a troll, not sure why I have that reputation from Chippy. I dislike Trump--always have and did not vote for him. However, I dislike inconsistency in political views be they left or right. I can't really level that charge against Trump himself because he is incapable of complex thoughts and is only capable of holding a single view at any given time.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:34 pm |
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Caius
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Chippy wrote: You did not make a point with your post. Did Obama blame Bush for keeping the wars going? Did he blame Bush for the increase in debt? He did both. Or more aptly, he blamed Bush for starting a war without provocation and without evidence. I am not sure what point you are making. He related the debt increase to unfunded wars (the OCO budget).
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:38 pm |
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Groucho
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Re: The Trump Era: The Awkward Mix of Libertarianism and Fas
Caius wrote: Chippy wrote: You did not make a point with your post. Did Obama blame Bush for keeping the wars going? Did he blame Bush for the increase in debt? He did both. Or more aptly, he blamed Bush for starting a war without provocation and without evidence. I am not sure what point you are making. He related the debt increase to unfunded wars (the OCO budget). Not sure why stating the truth is being called "blaming."
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