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Timayd
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 Re: Florida Primary
Hillary also is the only one that made a big deal about. As Corpse posted earlier she said she though votes should count and that makes voters lean towards her. Now I'm sure she said only because she was leading in the polls, but then again everything she said I think is mostly to make sure she can get elected.
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Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
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 Re: Florida Primary
Timayd wrote: Hillary also is the only one that made a big deal about. As Corpse posted earlier she said she though votes should count and that makes voters lean towards her. Now I'm sure she said only because she was leading in the polls, but then again everything she said I think is mostly to make sure she can get elected. It's funny, Hillary's campaign site has "HILLARY WINS FLORIDA" in humongous font, whereas Obama's campaign simply sent out a press release calling the vote a tie. (CLINTON: 0, OBAMA: 0) He should keep up the humor.
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Jim Halpert
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cnn and fox news declare mccain. good to see.
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nghtvsn
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So McCain wins florida. Ho Hum. I guess he'll be the nominee after all. I'll just have to live with it then but I'm confident he'll be able to defeat Hillary or Obama in the general.
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xiayun
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I don't exactly have a problem with what Hilary did the last several days; Obama would have tried to get them seated too if he were leading. However, I do have an issue that Hilary didn't fight for it earlier right after the decision from DNC was made but only change her stand after realizing she was leading. That's not right. You either do it right from the get go or not do it at all and simply honor your word instead.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Beeblebrox wrote: A Hillary win in Florida isn't even a symbolic victory. Not only do the delegates not count, but she's the only one who campaigned at all there, after all the Dem candidates had agreed not to.
The only reason she wants to re-instate the delegates is because she knew she was going to win the vote count. If Obama had won, do you really think she'd be making a big stink about it?
goodness. give it a rest. not even hillary supporters pay as much attention to her ups and downs as you do. If Obama had 50% of the vote, would you be saying the same about him?
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Rev
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32603 Location: the last free city
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I'm sooo glad Rudy lost florida.  Now go ahead and endorse McCain you ole fart. xiayun wrote: I don't exactly have a problem with what Hilary did the last several days; Obama would have tried to get them seated too if he were leading. However, I do have an issue that Hilary didn't fight for it earlier right after the decision from DNC was made but only change her stand after realizing she was leading. That's not right. You either do it right from the get go or not do it at all and simply honor your word instead. The only thing she honors is whatever will get her power...... by any means necessary.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Rev wrote: xiayun wrote: I don't exactly have a problem with what Hilary did the last several days; Obama would have tried to get them seated too if he were leading. However, I do have an issue that Hilary didn't fight for it earlier right after the decision from DNC was made but only change her stand after realizing she was leading. That's not right. You either do it right from the get go or not do it at all and simply honor your word instead. The only thing she honors is whatever will get her power...... by any means necessary.when there are dogs after you trying to keep you down, that's what I would expect anyone to do. so, mute point.
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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Eagle wrote: Fox News reporting that they heard via some TIME political blog that Guiliani will drop out and endorse McCain on Wednesday from California.
They contacted McCain and Guiliani camps and neither would confirm or deny.
The only way I can see this happening is if McCain has a back door deal with Guiliani for the VP spot. Giuliani dropping out after placing 3rd or 4th was pretty much expected. I knew he wouldn't make it to FEB 5th unless he won FL. (though he did tell CNN he'd be at the debate in Cali tomorrow night...before dropping out, which is strange) He spent near 40M in FL alone. He didn't have anything left to go on, plus no momentum, not leading in any state polls (I don't think), and no national poll love. But endorsing McCain is something. I can easily see why he sides with McCain over Hukcabee and Romney, but it was quite a quick endorsement and drop out endorsing other candidates haven't happened yet, have they?
And why is Gravel still in this?
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Beeblebrox
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 Re: Florida Primary
No Country for Sam wrote: If Obama had 50% of the vote, would you be saying the same about him? If Obama had decided that he wanted the votes re-instated despite agreeing that they shouldn't count, and he was doing so only because he was ahead in the polls, then he wouldn't be the candidate that I'm supporting. So no, I wouldn't suddenly change my position just because it's good for my candidate.
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Eagle
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Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm Posts: 14631 Location: Pittsburgh
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Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Fox News reporting that they heard via some TIME political blog that Guiliani will drop out and endorse McCain on Wednesday from California.
They contacted McCain and Guiliani camps and neither would confirm or deny.
The only way I can see this happening is if McCain has a back door deal with Guiliani for the VP spot. Giuliani dropping out after placing 3rd or 4th was pretty much expected. I knew he wouldn't make it to FEB 5th unless he won FL. (though he did tell CNN he'd be at the debate in Cali tomorrow night...before dropping out, which is strange) He spent near 40M in FL alone. He didn't have anything left to go on, plus no momentum, not leading in any state polls (I don't think), and no national poll love. But endorsing McCain is something. I can easily see why he sides with McCain over Hukcabee and Romney, but it was quite a quick endorsement and drop out endorsing other candidates haven't happened yet, have they?
And why is Gravel still in this? McCain and Guiliani are very close. Interestingly enough, if McCain did offer Rudy the VP, they create one hell of a ticket capable of reaching out to independents and strong on national security don't they?
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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Eagle wrote: Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Fox News reporting that they heard via some TIME political blog that Guiliani will drop out and endorse McCain on Wednesday from California.
They contacted McCain and Guiliani camps and neither would confirm or deny.
The only way I can see this happening is if McCain has a back door deal with Guiliani for the VP spot. Giuliani dropping out after placing 3rd or 4th was pretty much expected. I knew he wouldn't make it to FEB 5th unless he won FL. (though he did tell CNN he'd be at the debate in Cali tomorrow night...before dropping out, which is strange) He spent near 40M in FL alone. He didn't have anything left to go on, plus no momentum, not leading in any state polls (I don't think), and no national poll love. But endorsing McCain is something. I can easily see why he sides with McCain over Hukcabee and Romney, but it was quite a quick endorsement and drop out endorsing other candidates haven't happened yet, have they?
And why is Gravel still in this? McCain and Guiliani are very close. Interestingly enough, if McCain did offer Rudy the VP, they create one hell of a ticket capable of reaching out to independents and strong on national security don't they? Yeah, but it'd really hurt the ticket among Conservatives.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:29 pm |
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nghtvsn
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Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:13 pm Posts: 11016 Location: Warren Theatre Oklahoma
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I don't think McCain would pick Rudy for VP. Rudy has too much baggage and people have grown tired of him. It will probably be some governor somewhere. Would he take Romney?
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Chippy
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McCain + Romney?! 
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Eagle
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Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Fox News reporting that they heard via some TIME political blog that Guiliani will drop out and endorse McCain on Wednesday from California.
They contacted McCain and Guiliani camps and neither would confirm or deny.
The only way I can see this happening is if McCain has a back door deal with Guiliani for the VP spot. Giuliani dropping out after placing 3rd or 4th was pretty much expected. I knew he wouldn't make it to FEB 5th unless he won FL. (though he did tell CNN he'd be at the debate in Cali tomorrow night...before dropping out, which is strange) He spent near 40M in FL alone. He didn't have anything left to go on, plus no momentum, not leading in any state polls (I don't think), and no national poll love. But endorsing McCain is something. I can easily see why he sides with McCain over Hukcabee and Romney, but it was quite a quick endorsement and drop out endorsing other candidates haven't happened yet, have they?
And why is Gravel still in this? McCain and Guiliani are very close. Interestingly enough, if McCain did offer Rudy the VP, they create one hell of a ticket capable of reaching out to independents and strong on national security don't they? Yeah, but it'd really hurt the ticket among Conservatives.Not if there going against Hillary. Lesser of two evils. Republicans would turn out in droves, especially since McCain now has said he wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent. And McCain + Romney has no chance, though I wouldn't really be opposed to it.
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Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
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No Country for Sam wrote: Beeblebrox wrote: A Hillary win in Florida isn't even a symbolic victory. Not only do the delegates not count, but she's the only one who campaigned at all there, after all the Dem candidates had agreed not to.
The only reason she wants to re-instate the delegates is because she knew she was going to win the vote count. If Obama had won, do you really think she'd be making a big stink about it?
goodness. give it a rest. not even hillary supporters pay as much attention to her ups and downs as you do. If Obama had 50% of the vote, would you be saying the same about him? Yes, I would. I hold all the candidates to the same standard. For instance, I strongly disapprove of Obama's pandering to AIPAC. I also believe that Obama would not act as Hillary is acting. Yes, he would herald the "win", as all winners would, but I can't picture him flip-flopping on seating delegates.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:33 pm |
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Corpse
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Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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Eagle wrote: Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Corpse wrote: Eagle wrote: Fox News reporting that they heard via some TIME political blog that Guiliani will drop out and endorse McCain on Wednesday from California.
They contacted McCain and Guiliani camps and neither would confirm or deny.
The only way I can see this happening is if McCain has a back door deal with Guiliani for the VP spot. Giuliani dropping out after placing 3rd or 4th was pretty much expected. I knew he wouldn't make it to FEB 5th unless he won FL. (though he did tell CNN he'd be at the debate in Cali tomorrow night...before dropping out, which is strange) He spent near 40M in FL alone. He didn't have anything left to go on, plus no momentum, not leading in any state polls (I don't think), and no national poll love. But endorsing McCain is something. I can easily see why he sides with McCain over Hukcabee and Romney, but it was quite a quick endorsement and drop out endorsing other candidates haven't happened yet, have they?
And why is Gravel still in this? McCain and Guiliani are very close. Interestingly enough, if McCain did offer Rudy the VP, they create one hell of a ticket capable of reaching out to independents and strong on national security don't they? Yeah, but it'd really hurt the ticket among Conservatives.Not if there going against Hillary. Lesser of two evils. Republicans would turn out in droves, especially since McCain now has said he wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent. And McCain + Romney has no chance, though I wouldn't really be opposed to it. A McCain/Giuliani ticket, to me, sounds as though they are planning on going against Obama (assuming McCain picks Giuliani). Taking a few DEMS from him, big chunk of independents, and a good amount of women.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:35 pm |
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xiayun
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With the current percentage at 51%-32%, Hilary will gain about 40 delegates if all 210 are reinstated.
Either way, I still think Obama is setting himself up nicely to be at least a strong VP candidate. Yes, the SC week made a Clinton/Obama ticket increasingly unlikely, but if Obama has say 1,500 delegates heading into the convention, Clinton has to consider the possibility. Otherwise, Obama will just need to wait 8 years like McCain did, and he will still only be 55.
But this thing is far from over yet.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:38 pm |
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Eagle
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Realistically, Guiliani isn't a VP candidate.
It's far more likely he gets a cabinet position, specifically the Attorney General spot.
Personally, McCain / Romney with Guiliani as AG? I'd be impressed, where do I sign up?
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nghtvsn
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What is this fasination with Guiliani? He's just to polarizing for Republicans. He's even more Liberal than McCain on all fronts. I couldn't take it. I probably wouldn't even vote if he chose him. I feel confident McCain would pick someone with a profile but not in the headlines right now. C'mon, anybody know some good republican governors?
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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christ. Rommney is scary. and what the hell was that witht he crowd saying "no they haven't" as if saying amen in a mass. scary shit.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:39 pm |
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Eagle
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xiayun wrote: With the current percentage at 51%-32%, Hilary will gain about 40 delegates if all 210 are reinstated.
Either way, I still think Obama is setting himself up nicely to be at least a strong VP candidate. Yes, the SC week made a Clinton/Obama ticket increasingly unlikely, but if Obama has say 1,500 delegates heading into the convention, Clinton has to consider the possibility. Otherwise, Obama will just need to wait 8 years like McCain did, and he will still only be 55.
But this thing is far from over yet. What if Hillary goes against McCain, loses. McCain takes office, and for a majority of his term he is stuck dealing with a recession. Next election comes around ... Obama wins in a Clinton / Bush like battle.
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Beeblebrox
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Whatever cross-over appeal McCain has with Dems would evaporate with a Giuliani VP. No way he's going to take that chance.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:40 pm |
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Eagle
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Beeblebrox wrote: Whatever cross-over appeal McCain has with Dems would evaporate with a Giuliani VP. No way he's going to take that chance. Probably correct. Seems much more likely we see Guiliani as an AG.
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:41 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Eagle wrote: Probably correct. Seems much more likely we see Guiliani as an AG. That's not any better - and a good bit worse because unlike the VP, the AG has actual power. McCain needs to stay away from Giuliani entirely.
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