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Post Re: Democratic Primary 2020
He needs to upset in Michigan again, but that seems unlikely.


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Maybe Biden does not have an image problem which seemed to have tarnished Hillary Clinton. Uncle Joe seems more friendly and less formal. Is this what it takes to win the general?
Except that the Ukraine scandal that got Trump impeached directly involves him. :pinch:


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Coronavirus won't take down the teflon Don. He responded early to it (travel restrictions in late January), the rest is just complaining about his rhetoric which has never stuck to him.

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HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.

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Trump responded with near non-existing diagnostic testing and downplaying the high transmission rate and congratulating himself.

I want a president who puts health and safety first before political correctness.


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i.hope wrote:
Maybe Biden does not have an image problem which seemed to have tarnished Hillary Clinton. Uncle Joe seems more friendly and less formal. Is this what it takes to win the general?
Except that the Ukraine scandal that got Trump impeached directly involves him. :pinch:


That has not tarnished Biden as much as "her emails" and Wall Street speeches had on Clinton. Trump and his family have retained business interests after entering the government. There are lots of conflict of interest for the media and campaigns to dig into. Whether they stick with the public is another matter.


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HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.


Late January was relatively early. The WHO actually criticized him for it.

It seem people are mainly mad about what is he saying, not the actions the government has actually took against coronavirus which seem to be reasonable. But even with that, there is a logic to not trying to cause mass panic. It’s still unclear how much deadlier this is than the flu. I’m not sure the death count can be trusted for a variety of reasons. As it stands Coronavirus is still catching up to the flu in raw casualty numbers as it averaged 100 deaths per day in the US last year.

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Chippy wrote:
HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.


Late January was relatively early. The WHO actually criticized him for it.


Many countries did travel restrictions. They also had containment measures inside the country in the early stage. The US government botched testing capacity. Trump slashed funding to the CDC and shut down the global pandemic response team in 2018.


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i.hope wrote:
Shack wrote:
Chippy wrote:
HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.


Late January was relatively early. The WHO actually criticized him for it.


Many countries did travel restrictions. They also had containment measures inside the country in the early stage. The US government botched testing capacity. Trump slashed funding to the CDC and shut down the global pandemic response team in 2018.


He didn’t actually slash funding, he just proposed slashing funding in 2021, but it got shot down by congress.

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Another big night for Biden, one that should nearly lock up the nomination barring some disaster.

Michigan is looking to go Biden by 10-15 points (maybe even 20), Missouri will probably be a 25-30 point victory, and Mississippi unsurprisingly coming in big for him by 50-60 points. Biden is outperforming Clinton across the board, while Sanders is doing worse than himself across the board compared to 2016. Sanders doesn't appear capable of forming a viable coalition.

And next week should make the math nigh impossible for Sanders to mount a comeback. I doubt he drops out after next Tuesday, but he probably should assuming further expected landslide losses. I mean, it's possible he won't win any more states, including tonight if Idaho or North Dakota fails him.

Also, note that Biden and Sanders have cancelled their scheduled rallies this week, and the next debate won't have a live-audience, due to the coronavirus.

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Shack wrote:
i.hope wrote:
Shack wrote:
Chippy wrote:
HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.


Late January was relatively early. The WHO actually criticized him for it.


Many countries did travel restrictions. They also had containment measures inside the country in the early stage. The US government botched testing capacity. Trump slashed funding to the CDC and shut down the global pandemic response team in 2018.


He didn’t actually slash funding, he just proposed slashing funding in 2021, but it got shot down by congress.


https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

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The cuts started in 2018, as the White House focused on eliminating funding to Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded.

That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China.

Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)

Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process.

The effects of those cuts are being felt today. While the CDC announced plans to test people with flu-like symptoms for COVID-19, those have been delayed and only three of the country’s 100 public-health labs have been able to test for coronavirus. The administration’s request for additional funding came roughly two weeks after officials said HHS was almost out of funding for its response to the virus.


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i.hope wrote:
Shack wrote:
i.hope wrote:
Shack wrote:
Chippy wrote:
HE RESPONDED EARLY?!?!

Good lord dude.


Late January was relatively early. The WHO actually criticized him for it.


Many countries did travel restrictions. They also had containment measures inside the country in the early stage. The US government botched testing capacity. Trump slashed funding to the CDC and shut down the global pandemic response team in 2018.


He didn’t actually slash funding, he just proposed slashing funding in 2021, but it got shot down by congress.


https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

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The cuts started in 2018, as the White House focused on eliminating funding to Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded.

That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China.

Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)

Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process.

The effects of those cuts are being felt today. While the CDC announced plans to test people with flu-like symptoms for COVID-19, those have been delayed and only three of the country’s 100 public-health labs have been able to test for coronavirus. The administration’s request for additional funding came roughly two weeks after officials said HHS was almost out of funding for its response to the virus.


It appears the CDC was given 600 million in 2014 to battle Ebola which then ran out

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Most of the funding comes from a one-time, five-year emergency package that Congress approved to respond to the 2014 Ebola epidemic in West Africa. About $600 million was awarded to the CDC to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics. That money is slated to run out by September 2019. Despite statements from President Trump and senior administration officials affirming the importance of controlling outbreaks, officials and global infectious-disease experts are not anticipating that the administration will budget additional resources.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -outbreak/

So I guess you can classify that as cutting spending, but in terms of real proposed cuts going forward, he didn’t have the power to get them through.

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If more resources are used on coronavirus, less resources are used on other illnesses. So there is a cost to being bullish on coronavirus. I assume the damage in Italy is as much the people sick with other things who can’t get treatment from overwhelmed hospitals.

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If more resources are used on coronavirus, less resources are used on other illnesses. So there is a cost to being bullish on coronavirus. I assume the cost of what’s happening in Italy is as much the people sick with other things who can’t get treatment from overwhelmed hospitals.


Nah, precautionary measures for coronavirus help prevent other respiratory diseases too.



You see a broad awareness of personal and social hygiene during the potential outbreak. Death rate overall drops.


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Bernie will drop out next Tuesday/Wednesday after Biden sweeps Florida and Arizona huge, Ohio by a good margin, and Illinois by a tad. Facing another blow out the following week in Georgia, Bernie has no choice but to give up

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I hate this fucking place lol


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It's actually a good thing that the Sunday debate doesn't have a live audience. The audience reactions made it much worse in the last debate. Biden is a poor debater. Sanders is a good debater. So there's still a slim chance for Bernie if he destroys Biden Sunday and can get enough attention to move the needle Tuesday with a lot of delegates on the line. But I wouldn't bet on it.


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I guess we all underestimated just how sexist this country is. Turns out a big portion of Bernie supporters were just sexist! Who knew!

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Or maybe Hillary was just really flawed hence why she lost to charismatic outsider twice?? :whaa: :whaa: :whaa:

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when did she lose twice?

also, that would make sense if Biden was charismatic and drew voters from Bernie. but he's not. they were just sexist.

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when did she lose twice?

also, that would make sense if Biden was charismatic and drew voters from Bernie. but he's not. they were just sexist.


Hillary was heavy fave in both 2008 and 2016. Lost to 2 people everyone initially wrote off. Also Biden is charismatic in his own way similar to W.

You and others need to stop saying "If you are enthusiastic for Biden, and were not for Hillary, you're sexist". That is insane :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

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lol that's not what I'm saying.

Hillary drove a lot of people away in her own right, etc etc etc. But people flocked from her to Bernie, and then BACK from Bernie to Biden. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the sexism.

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Hilarious to see Gabbard finish below candidates who have dropped out in many states. She did not even get 1% of vote. Why the fuck is she wasting time and who is paying for it if she is not a Russian Spy as alleged.

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Hilarious to see Gabbard finish below candidates who have dropped out in many states. She did not even get 1% of vote. Why the fuck is she wasting time and who is paying for it if she is not a Russian Spy as alleged.


1. She finished below dropped candidates because they got votes from early voting that can't be changed.
2. She believes in her platform of anti-war, fighting corrupt politics, and bringing people together. She sees it as service to the people of this country to continue fighting for these things by talking to people locally. To her and her small group of supporters, it's certainly not a waste of time.
3. Her campaign is funded by small grass roots donations. She's made that work by minimizing costs.

Her campaign was held back by the DNC because she wasn't afraid to point out political corruption, including their own. They stifled her debating ability with ridiculous qualifying restrictions. She stood up to Hillary and basically got shut out of most media shortly after.

Despite all this, she is still going to town halls and discussing the issues BECAUSE SHE ACTUALLY CARES.


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lol that's not what I'm saying.

Hillary drove a lot of people away in her own right, etc etc etc. But people flocked from her to Bernie, and then BACK from Bernie to Biden. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the sexism.


I think you got the first part wrong...how did people flock from her to Bernie?

It just seems that Biden is getting Hillary's votes + people from Bernie that Hillary wasn't able to convert (for whatever reason, I don't see how you can proof sexism from it).


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