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Post Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
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Hard to believe this is the most popular president in history



https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/tv-rat ... 234889655/


:funny: :funny: :funny: you know Trump's in his Florida bunker mad as hell at that report.


I’m sure just like with the election results he won’t believe this nor will a majority of those who voted for them. These are people who only believe in news that they like rather than what is true.


Oh yah forgot that they’re all delusional & live in an alternate reality.

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Because Trump was anti-China (and possibly good at it) does not mean anyone else who becomes the President cannot be anti-China as well. I am sure the approaches will be different but to blindly say that the other party will discontinue all of Trump's efforts before they even had a chance to sit on the chair is.......


If the president was going to be Elizabeth Warren, we wouldn’t be questioning her loyalty to the US over China, but that’s also why she lost her early front runner primary status as Biden was pushed through. Biden and Bloomberg were the two main CCP-compromised candidates that had shady business deals with China, and it’s already been revealed that many of Biden’s cabinet picks and staff have deep ties to China.

In terms of media and internet censorship, I’m now wondering if it’s really that much worse in China than it has been in the last several months for US. China’s pandemic lockdown policies has not been as prolonged as in several US states. And I doubt the % of China’s population who questioned if illegal acts were committed in China’s elections has ever been as high percentage as in the US recently,


Yet it's still a speculation because Biden hasn't yet taken the oath. For next couple of days he is not yet President. Also politicians change their tactics or strategies pretty much every day.


Biden has already taken steps to allow US power grid to be compromised by CCP or other foreign interests,

https://disrn.com/news/biden-reverses-t ... power-grid

Coincidentally, my home and surrounding neighborhood had a power outage for 3 hours today.


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Even if the article is leans towards China the policy says "all foreign countries" and believe it or not China is still a developing nation.


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Cancelling Keystone is worse for the environment cause it forces oil to be shipped by train. But it's good for Warren Buffett.

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From my understanding it has less to do with the environment and more to do with the actual pipeline going directly through a sacred Native American land. This was what all the protests were about in 2016

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Looks like the Democrats winning the senate won't make too much of a difference as they can't get 50/50 to abolish filibuster and pass the radical stuff, good thing cause they first though they did was introduce a bill attempting to make voter ID security worse not better

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Looks like the Democrats winning the senate won't make too much of a difference as they can't get 50/50 to abolish filibuster and pass the radical stuff, good thing cause they first though they did was introduce a bill attempting to make voter ID security worse not better

I actually agree with you

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Looks like the Democrats winning the senate won't make too much of a difference as they can't get 50/50 to abolish filibuster and pass the radical stuff, good thing cause they first though they did was introduce a bill attempting to make voter ID security worse not better


Doesn’t really matter if they don’t legalize cheating nationwide, they have enough states they get away with illegal balloting. And the legislative branch won’t matter anyway with the rate of executive orders being signed by Biden. Still waiting for Biden to ban the terms “Spanish Flu” and “West Nile Virus” as xenophobic like “China Virus”


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Looks like the Democrats winning the senate won't make too much of a difference as they can't get 50/50 to abolish filibuster and pass the radical stuff, good thing cause they first though they did was introduce a bill attempting to make voter ID security worse not better


Doesn’t really matter if they don’t legalize cheating nationwide, they have enough states they get away with illegal balloting. And the legislative branch won’t matter anyway with the rate of executive orders being signed by Biden. Still waiting for Biden to ban the terms “Spanish Flu” and “West Nile Virus” as xenophobic like “China Virus”


It sounds like some of the states with Republican legislatures are making movement on election integrity


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Post Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
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Hard to believe this is the most popular president in history



https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/tv-rat ... 234889655/


:funny: :funny: :funny: you know Trump's in his Florida bunker mad as hell at that report.


I’m sure just like with the election results he won’t believe this nor will a majority of those who voted for them. These are people who only believe in news that they like rather than what is true.


Oh yah forgot that they’re all delusional & live in an alternate reality.


Not all of them are delusional though. Some are bad-faith actors like their leadership. They engage in an information operation (they called it IO in the Capitol video I posted earlier) to shape and drive a false narrative to deceive the public. I hope these people will soon realize they are working for a wrong cause that has induced so much damage to the moral standing and integrity of the country and society.


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Not all of them are delusional though. Some are bad-faith actors like their leadership. They engage in an information operation (they called it IO in the Capitol video I posted earlier) to shape and drive a false narrative to deceive the public. I hope these people will soon realize they are working for a wrong cause that has induced so much damage to the moral standing and integrity of the country and society.


High level information war is exactly how I would describe the Democrats and media's approach to the last four years

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Unfortunately, I have seen enough disinformation campaign from the pro-Trump accounts to draw that conclusion.

For example, on the executive order regarding bulk-power system:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-public-health-and-environment-and-restoring-science-to-tackle-climate-crisis/
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Executive Order 13920 of May 1, 2020 (Securing the United States Bulk-Power System), is hereby suspended for 90 days. The Secretary of Energy and the Director of OMB shall jointly consider whether to recommend that a replacement order be issued.


Biden's new EO "suspended" Trump's EO for 90 days during which it will be reviewed for a possible replacement order. Some right-wing sources incorrectly said the EO was "revoked", while it was one of a handful of Trump's EOs not being revoked by the Biden administration.

And some sources conflated Trump's EO with a 2020 December prohibition order by Trump's Secretary of Energy that would ban utility companies from buying bulk-power system equipment from China. Interestingly, the prohibition order waited until January 16 to take effect, 4 days before the end of Trump's term, meaning the order was never meaningfully enacted during the Trump administration.

And there were many many more disinformation campaigns regarding the election results. To name some: over 14,000 dead people voting in Michigan, conflating turnout as a % of voting-eligible population with turnout as a % of the number of registered voters.


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Unfortunately, I have seen enough disinformation campaign from the pro-Trump accounts to draw that conclusion.

For example, on the executive order regarding bulk-power system:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-public-health-and-environment-and-restoring-science-to-tackle-climate-crisis/
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Executive Order 13920 of May 1, 2020 (Securing the United States Bulk-Power System), is hereby suspended for 90 days. The Secretary of Energy and the Director of OMB shall jointly consider whether to recommend that a replacement order be issued.


Biden's new EO "suspended" Trump's EO for 90 days during which it will be reviewed for a possible replacement order. Some right-wing sources incorrectly said the EO was "revoked", while it was one of a handful of Trump's EOs not being revoked by the Biden administration.

And some sources conflated Trump's EO with a 2020 December prohibition order by Trump's Secretary of Energy that would ban utility companies from buying bulk-power system equipment from China. Interestingly, the prohibition order waited until January 16 to take effect, 4 days before the end of Trump's term, meaning the order was never meaningfully enacted during the Trump administration.

And there were many many more disinformation campaigns regarding the election results. To name some: over 14,000 dead people voting in Michigan, conflating turnout as a % of voting-eligible population with turnout as a % of the number of registered voters.


There is grifting and disinformation on both sides, on the right especially when emotions were running high after thinking the election was stolen. It's possible the Dominion stuff wasn't real and Powell deserves to be sued, for example. We don't really know one way or the other whether they would have needed it to steal the election.

But if people on the left think that the right is constantly spewing misinformation but that sources like CNN and NYT are still real news instead of essentially state media, they are sleeping on what's been happening. The left has embraced the idea of controlling the flow of information for the betterment of the masses, whether it's through partisan journalism or censorship. The reason for the censorship is the "information is dangerous" idea, so they are obviously conscious of information and how it's spread. There is no more objective media on either side, at least for now.

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Unfortunately, I have seen enough disinformation campaign from the pro-Trump accounts to draw that conclusion.

For example, on the executive order regarding bulk-power system:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-public-health-and-environment-and-restoring-science-to-tackle-climate-crisis/
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Executive Order 13920 of May 1, 2020 (Securing the United States Bulk-Power System), is hereby suspended for 90 days. The Secretary of Energy and the Director of OMB shall jointly consider whether to recommend that a replacement order be issued.


Biden's new EO "suspended" Trump's EO for 90 days during which it will be reviewed for a possible replacement order. Some right-wing sources incorrectly said the EO was "revoked", while it was one of a handful of Trump's EOs not being revoked by the Biden administration.

And some sources conflated Trump's EO with a 2020 December prohibition order by Trump's Secretary of Energy that would ban utility companies from buying bulk-power system equipment from China. Interestingly, the prohibition order waited until January 16 to take effect, 4 days before the end of Trump's term, meaning the order was never meaningfully enacted during the Trump administration.

And there were many many more disinformation campaigns regarding the election results. To name some: over 14,000 dead people voting in Michigan, conflating turnout as a % of voting-eligible population with turnout as a % of the number of registered voters.


There is grifting and disinformation on both sides, on the right especially when emotions were running high after thinking the election was stolen. It's possible the Dominion stuff wasn't real and Powell deserves to be sued, for example. We don't really know one way or the other whether they would have needed it to steal the election.

But if people on the left think that the right is constantly spewing misinformation but that sources like CNN and NYT are still real news instead of essentially state media, they are sleeping on what's been happening. The left has embraced the idea of controlling the flow of information for the betterment of the masses, whether it's through partisan journalism or censorship. The reason for the censorship is the "information is dangerous" idea, so they are obviously conscious of information and how it's spread. There is no more objective media on either side, at least for now.


There are different degrees of media bias. NYT and CNN often engage in both-sidesism, blaming both sides and always caring about what the "economically anxious" Trump voters (but not Hillary/Biden voters) think. Most mainstream media control the flow of information. Fox News does it to do damage control for Trump.

But Fox News stands out in one aspect: it is in-your-face partisan and often devoid of objectivity. You can't find the equivalent of Lou Dobbs, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Doocy, and Sean Hannity on CNN or MSNBC. They are cheerleaders and attack dogs for Trump and Republicans. I sometimes wish Democrats had a Fox News on their side to spread misinformation and cast Republicans as demons so they would have a hardened base to turn out when electorally called for.


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But Fox News stands out in one aspect: it is in-your-face partisan and often devoid of objectivity. You can't find the equivalent of Lou Dobbs, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Doocy, and Sean Hannity on CNN or MSNBC. They are cheerleaders and attack dogs for Trump and Republicans. I sometimes wish Democrats had a Fox News on their side to spread misinformation and cast Republicans as demons so they would have a hardened base to turn out when electorally called for.

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You think that cause you agree with them, from the other side CNN was nothing but partisans who's job was to attack Trump for four years.

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MSM is pro-Democrat Party establishment/swamp and don’t even try to hide any anti-Trump bias. Just because they are also anti-Bernie Sanders does not make them “neutral”.

Fox News is pro-Republican Party establishment/swamp, which at some point meant they like Mitch McConnell also became anti-Trump (eg when they also suppressed the Hunter Biden story before the election). It became super obvious to Trump supporters after the election, which is why Fox News lost unprecedented ratings as betrayed Trump supporters had to watch other media,

Joe Biden being more similar to Mitt Romney than Bernie Sanders does not make him conservative, it just mean he is part of the corrupt swamp who will sellout Americans for foreign profit. In that sense, Trump is more similar to Bernie Sanders than to the neo-Con Republicans,


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The Democrats have more political moderates on their side which is why it seems like they have less of a “hardened base”, but their “hardened base” is likely the same size as the Republican “hardened base”. Their moderate appeal is keeping them popular at the national level.


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This Gamestop thing is Biden’s first chance to show that he’s different. Please side with the people and not the hedge funds

But then I picture some intern trying to explain the situation to a 78 year old man and lose a little bit of hope...


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Reinstating the Mexico City policy is hands down the worst think Biden has done. My tax dollars going to fund foreign abortion? Nice!


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Reinstating the Mexico City policy is hands down the worst think Biden has done. My tax dollars going to fund foreign abortion? Nice!


Actually Biden rescinded the Mexico City policy. And that will save the US money. Now there will be less unintended pregnancies. Men and women will have access to family planning education and reproductive care. Lower birth rate and better health will lift under-developed countries from the vicious cycle of poverty, which tends to lead to a host of problems (e.g. wars, orphans, human trafficking, drug cartels, disruption in global energy and food supplies...). Less of my tax dollars will be spent on tackling these problems. And with more people out of poverty, there will be more demand for US products.


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By the way, Biden signed an executive order to increase food aid to low-income families with children. This will soften the problem of child poverty in the US amid the pandemic.


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Biden’s DOJ now going after companies like SpaceX for daring to prioritize hiring citizens and permanent legal residents over candidates who should legally only be in US on a temporary basis.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/technology/spa ... imination/


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The Democrats were already given the message the impeachment won't work based on only 5 Republicans voting for it being constitutional. So why still do it and waste time that they could be using on things like stimulus? Probably for all the wrong reasons, because they think them and the media having a stage to grandstand about Trump's darkest moment will help them win elections in the future, or they want the GOP to take Trump's side to use it against them. It's all about political games and manipulating people with the media for them at all times.

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I think their base expects it at this point. They have cornered themselves into proceeding

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