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This is a better place like bABA said, and hopefully won't get derailed or locked...who am I kidding?


1. I have a problem with what threads get locked and which ones do not. I'm not looking up the thread where Gulli and I had a heated argument since it was months and months ago, but that thread/argument went on for awhile without anyone taking action to lock it. I'm not attacking Gulli, but he was saying stuff about how he can get me banned and whatnot too. I know he was given a warning for this, but that's not the problem. We later settled that dispute via PMs. But the problem here is why was it never locked during the argument? I was told by (I'm guessing the only mod/admin on at the time) that I bring some of this on myself. I'm guessing that was the reason it wasn't locked. I'm sorry, but when another member is saying they can have you banned, using caps lock on you, etc. on top of the heated argument, does that not require a locking of that thread? What are the requirements for locking a thread? Just what that mod/admin personally thinks at the time? Because the entire team can't be on all the time, and sometimes quick decisions need to be made. There is no time to attempt a response from everyone on the team in some situations. So I'd like to know if there are any requirements you guys follow for what is allowed to be locked? And to follow up on this, I'll bring up the Insult The Admin thread. A thread I started recently was locked because it was a "continuation" of a thread that had already been locked, when the only thing related to that thread was the title (because I had no idea what to call it) and the later topic that thread developed into. I PMed a mod just like you tell us to, and I get mocking responses. "I'm psychic". I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. If threads like Insult The Admin stay open for as long as they do, so should a thread where someone tries to clear things up, or every thread that could lead to drama needs to be locked immediantly. No double standards.


2. When you leave at the bottom of the post that we should PM a mod or admin with our problems, I feel I cannot do that. And it's because of recent responses that jujubee gave me. The only mod or admin I feel I can message without feeling like I'm the enemy in some way is Nebs and xiayun. I hate feeling this way, but I do. I already know that whatever problems I'm having isn't going to be settled, so why bother? That's what I ask myself. I'll just get a bullshit response. I know I'm not the only one with this problem either. There are a fair few.

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This is a better place like bABA said, and hopefully won't get derailed or locked...who am I kidding?


I was only giving Baba the truth of people's problems with her, and it was locked in 2 minutes. Baba even said to move complaints to here, then goes directly back on his word? Seems things are just trying to be swept under the rug without making a fuss, to me. I don't get what the big deal is if there are complaints about her. Why can't they be discussed?

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You were given a valid response. You did not accept that and replied sarcastically, so I replied in kind.

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Three of 'em in the ring tonight, boys! Where's Ripper and Dolce? Whooohooooo :towel:


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This is a better place like bABA said, and hopefully won't get derailed or locked...who am I kidding?


I was only giving Baba the truth of people's problems with her, and it was locked in 2 minutes. Baba even said to move complaints to here, then goes directly back on his word? Seems things are just trying to be swept under the rug without making a fuss, to me. I don't get what the big deal is if there are complaints about her. Why can't they be discussed?

This is for complaints about how mods/admins act in their roles as mods/admins. Your post was personally attacking me. I will say it straight out that I do not appreciate that, whatever other admins feel.

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To add to Korrgan's last thread that was locked, entitled "No.", it has nothing to do with jujubee being a girl. As Korrgan said, Libs and dolce got along fine and there were never any issues like this.

To add to that, Arsi claims it's "the fact that shes a girl and certain other members of the same sex seem to be having a major issue with it." I am not of the same sex and I have all of the same problems with jujubee. I haven't really felt the need to fully express them until lately. If anyone cares to hear what I think about the subject further, I will elaborate. For now, I'll let the thread develop.

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Korrgan wrote:
Apostle Ericka wrote:
This is a better place like bABA said, and hopefully won't get derailed or locked...who am I kidding?


I was only giving Baba the truth of people's problems with her, and it was locked in 2 minutes. Baba even said to move complaints to here, then goes directly back on his word? Seems things are just trying to be swept under the rug without making a fuss, to me. I don't get what the big deal is if there are complaints about her. Why can't they be discussed?

This is for complaints about how mods/admins act in their roles as mods/admins. Your post was personally attacking me. I will say it straight out that I do not appreciate that, whatever other admins feel.


I was merely correcting Baba. It's not because you're a girl and a mod, as we all know now. There were no problems with Libs and dolcevita, both girls and both once mods. I was letting him know why there even are problems with you. Sorry if you were offended, but I didn't want Baba saying things that are incorrect.

I'm leaving this before I get a warning from someone. I feel it's coming.

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To add to Korrgan's last thread that was locked, entitled "No.", it has nothing to do with jujubee being a girl. As Korrgan said, Libs and dolce got along fine and there were never any issues like this.

To add to that, Arsi claims it's "the fact that shes a girl and certain other members of the same sex seem to be having a major issue with it." I am not of the same sex and I have all of the same problems with jujubee. I haven't really felt the need to fully express them until lately. If anyone cares to hear what I think about the subject further, I will elaborate. For now, I'll let the thread develop.

You will elaborate despite my requesting that no one personally attack me?

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To add to Korrgan's last thread that was locked, entitled "No.", it has nothing to do with jujubee being a girl. As Korrgan said, Libs and dolce got along fine and there were never any issues like this.

To add to that, Arsi claims it's "the fact that shes a girl and certain other members of the same sex seem to be having a major issue with it." I am not of the same sex and I have all of the same problems with jujubee. I haven't really felt the need to fully express them until lately. If anyone cares to hear what I think about the subject further, I will elaborate. For now, I'll let the thread develop.

You will elaborate despite my requesting that no one personally attack me?


No one is personally attacking you right now. Why can't we discuss problems with you?

And no, I said I would elaborate if asked.

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To add to Korrgan's last thread that was locked, entitled "No.", it has nothing to do with jujubee being a girl. As Korrgan said, Libs and dolce got along fine and there were never any issues like this.

To add to that, Arsi claims it's "the fact that shes a girl and certain other members of the same sex seem to be having a major issue with it." I am not of the same sex and I have all of the same problems with jujubee. I haven't really felt the need to fully express them until lately. If anyone cares to hear what I think about the subject further, I will elaborate. For now, I'll let the thread develop.

You will elaborate despite my requesting that no one personally attack me?


No one is personally attacking you right now. Why can't we discuss problems with you?

And no, I said I would elaborate if asked.

Discuss whatever problems you have with my actions as a mod. Leave whatever you hate about me personally out of it. Which is what the purpose of this forum is for.

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Can I ask what that whole Korrgan is a racist thing was about? I really wish you guys would clear this silliness up here and now. It's not hard to do. You have no idea how hard it was to bury the hatchet and wipe the slate clean with loyal. Until we did, and it's been a lovefest for us ever since. :wub2: No problem!


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Can I ask what that whole Korrgan is a racist thing was about? I really wish you guys would clear this silliness up here and now. It's not hard to do. You have no idea how hard it was to bury the hatchet and wipe the slate clean with loyal. Until we did, and it's been a lovefest for us ever since. :wub2: No problem!

This is not the place to discuss this. Please don't purposely start drama.

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This is a better place like bABA said, and hopefully won't get derailed or locked...who am I kidding?


1. I have a problem with what threads get locked and which ones do not. I'm not looking up the thread where Gulli and I had a heated argument since it was months and months ago, but that thread/argument went on for awhile without anyone taking action to lock it. I'm not attacking Gulli, but he was saying stuff about how he can get me banned and whatnot too. I know he was given a warning for this, but that's not the problem. We later settled that dispute via PMs. But the problem here is why was it never locked during the argument? I was told by (I'm guessing the only mod/admin on at the time) that I bring some of this on myself. I'm guessing that was the reason it wasn't locked. I'm sorry, but when another member is saying they can have you banned, using caps lock on you, etc. on top of the heated argument, does that not require a locking of that thread? What are the requirements for locking a thread? Just what that mod/admin personally thinks at the time? Because the entire team can't be on all the time, and sometimes quick decisions need to be made. There is no time to attempt a response from everyone on the team in some situations. So I'd like to know if there are any requirements you guys follow for what is allowed to be locked? And to follow up on this, I'll bring up the Insult The Admin thread. A thread I started recently was locked because it was a "continuation" of a thread that had already been locked, when the only thing related to that thread was the title (because I had no idea what to call it) and the later topic that thread developed into. I PMed a mod just like you tell us to, and I get mocking responses. "I'm psychic". I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. If threads like Insult The Admin stay open for as long as they do, so should a thread where someone tries to clear things up, or every thread that could lead to drama needs to be locked immediantly. No double standards.


2. When you leave at the bottom of the post that we should PM a mod or admin with our problems, I feel I cannot do that. And it's because of recent responses that jujubee gave me. The only mod or admin I feel I can message without feeling like I'm the enemy in some way is Nebs and xiayun. I hate feeling this way, but I do. I already know that whatever problems I'm having isn't going to be settled, so why bother? That's what I ask myself. I'll just get a bullshit response. I know I'm not the only one with this problem either. There are a fair few.


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Corpse. You may not like the reasoning but as much as you may disagree with this, the admins/mods on this forum try very very hard NOT to interfere in most things around here. This forum has barely banned/warned people and most threads get locked either cause they are spam or have a threat of a previous behavior that may result in unpleasantness that the mods/admins are aware of or it has already reached that point.

the thread in question you are refering to, correct me if i'm wrong reached al level of heatedness late into the night when most admins are asleep. should the thread been closed or some mroe decisive action taken? Absolutely. there is no denying it. so why wasn't it?

a) We won't always be perfect. we won't always make the right decision at the right time. we are human. we hope that somethings will recify themselves. in that case, we made the wrong choice on the matter
b) it was late. i'm not sure if you noticed but most of the admin/mod staff was not around for what happened.
c) I have this dreaded feeling that julia's role will be brought into this. Julia was a a new appointee. as anyone taking any new role on a site/job/volunteer work or anything, it takes time for a person to know what executive decisions they can/cannot/should/should not/will/will not take. the warning she gave at the end of the day was supported unanimously by everyone yet for someone who was appointed recently, this was not an easy decision to make and her initial uncertaintly on the matter to an extent to me, showed a level of maturity. a decision was taken after using up all the remaining options that existed considering the situation at that moment. the thread was not locked ... in hindsight but understandable. not the right decision but quite understandable.

again bottom line. if people have issues with a certain thing, PM or let the admins know. they will take care of it because they are not running around the entire forum with the intentions of policing stuff or reading everything. they are on this forum for pretty much the same reason as everyone else .. .to have a bit of fun or to read more about movies.

b) It is quite understandable why you feel uncomfortable abt PMing admins .. and there is only one thing i can say. from everything i know of the staff here, as far as forum decisions go, as much as you would want to believe us or not, none of us take our personal likes/dislikes into account when making a decision, listening to a complaint or a recommendation. i do not expect you to take our word for this but in all honesty, this is the truth, as far as we can see or tell. you and me have had numerous personal issues. i do not use them to dictate any of my decisions here. there are certain members of the admin/mod team you have never had a confrontation with. if you do not feel comfortable with myself or someone else, i can't see why you can't speak with them.

thats really the best i can offer.


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Can I ask what that whole Korrgan is a racist thing was about? I really wish you guys would clear this silliness up here and now. It's not hard to do. You have no idea how hard it was to bury the hatchet and wipe the slate clean with loyal. Until we did, and it's been a lovefest for us ever since. :wub2: No problem!


I called her jewjewbee. Twice. Apparently that means I now hate all Jews and wish them death. When she asked me to stop, I did. Gulli apparently did not know that and went on to act as if I had done nothing but make Jewish slurs at her for weeks.

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This is not the place to discuss this. Please don't purposely start drama.


Whoa, please don't make those kinds of accusations, because you DON'T know me.

and this is the place to discuss that, actually. :funny:


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To add to Korrgan's last thread that was locked, entitled "No.", it has nothing to do with jujubee being a girl. As Korrgan said, Libs and dolce got along fine and there were never any issues like this.

To add to that, Arsi claims it's "the fact that shes a girl and certain other members of the same sex seem to be having a major issue with it." I am not of the same sex and I have all of the same problems with jujubee. I haven't really felt the need to fully express them until lately. If anyone cares to hear what I think about the subject further, I will elaborate. For now, I'll let the thread develop.


there is a difference between
a) feeling the same way
b) adopting a certain attitude based upon your feeling

i do not know why you haven't voiced your issues as yet. howeever, at least this post lets me know that you do have issues and neither me or the person in question who is being talked about would have any issues in the manner that you have addressed them in. there is a certain level of respect that you give to people in the way you have posted instead of implying "you got the job cause you sort of provide services to the admins by playing halo with them" or "calling her a jew just to entice her". there is a major difference between how you stated your problems and how others did. hell, i'm even okay with how michael presented his problems as much as i didn't like it.


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I called her jewjewbee. Twice. Apparently that means I now hate all Jews and wish them death. When she asked me to stop, I did. Gulli apparently did not know that and went on to act as if I had done nothing but make Jewish slurs at her for weeks.[/color][/b][/size]


Well, isn't that the kind of thing that you two civilized and mature young ladies can talk out pretty easy and make peace? It took me and Gulli about 5 minutes. We are supposed to be the irrational hotheads, not you guys! :funny:


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This is not the place to discuss this. Please don't purposely start drama.


Whoa, please don't make those kinds of accusations, because you DON'T know me.

and this is the place to discuss that, actually. :funny:

This is not the place to discuss a person problem between two members that has nothing to do with how the site is run. And you are, because I've discussed the matter with you and you seemed to fully understand it just a couple days go. So there was no reason to ask a question that you already have the answer to.

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I called her jewjewbee. Twice. Apparently that means I now hate all Jews and wish them death. When she asked me to stop, I did. Gulli apparently did not know that and went on to act as if I had done nothing but make Jewish slurs at her for weeks.[/color][/b][/size]


Well, isn't that the kind of thing that you two civilized and mature young ladies can talk out pretty easy and make peace? It took me and Gulli about 5 minutes. We are supposed to be the irrational hotheads, not you guys! :funny:


I would, but she has me on ignore and never responded to this PM I sent her. She asked me my problems with her and I responded, she never responded back. We could've worked out our issues then but she didn't care about me.

If this is not the place for these discussions, why on earth did Baba say to do it here then? If this ain't the place, maybe move all these threads to the Watercooler instead of just locking them?

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This is not the place to discuss a person problem between two members that has nothing to do with how the site is run. And you are, because I've discussed the matter with you and you seemed to fully understand it just a couple days go. So there was no reason to ask a question that you already have the answer to.


Sure there is, if you want to make sure that the answers match. If it's like she says, it sounds more like a misunderstanding that you could easily work out if you wanted to.


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This is not the place to discuss this. Please don't purposely start drama.


Whoa, please don't make those kinds of accusations, because you DON'T know me.

and this is the place to discuss that, actually. :funny:


you're right. this is the place to do this.

i have no issues with friends calling each other niggers, honkies, pakies, newfies or anything. there is an issue if its done to spite someone. as korrgan said it was said twice to her which jujubee did not appreciate at which point it was explicitly stopped.

however, while jujubee nor i really cared much for it, one of us personally received a PM about korrgan's signature that, while there is no official proof that it was meant to be an attack on jujubee again, seemed to imply another attack on jujubee and the whole jew thing. i do not remember the entire content of this but it was something along the lines of J to the b to the w to the something. however, no one ever did anything concerning it. it remained a non issue other than the fact that it was noticed.

really, jujubee has not brought this up in a bit at all, hence probably why she is mentioning lets not start the drama on it. the last few times, the jewish attack on her has been brought up by other people all together repeatedly and the past is the past .... i think we can all agree that something, as korrgan said has never been brought up before should just remain buried in the past.


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This is not the place to discuss this. Please don't purposely start drama.


Whoa, please don't make those kinds of accusations, because you DON'T know me.

and this is the place to discuss that, actually. :funny:


you're right. this is the place to do this.

i have no issues with friends calling each other niggers, honkies, pakies, newfies or anything. there is an issue if its done to spite someone. as korrgan said it was said twice to her which jujubee did not appreciate at which point it was explicitly stopped.

however, while jujubee nor i really cared much for it, one of us personally received a PM about korrgan's signature that, while there is no official proof that it was meant to be an attack on jujubee again, seemed to imply another attack on jujubee and the whole jew thing. i do not remember the entire content of this but it was something along the lines of J to the b to the w to the something. however, no one ever did anything concerning it. it remained a non issue other than the fact that it was noticed.


The sig thingy had nothing to do with her being Jewish. I quit all that when she asked me to. It was calling her jujubeetch, not jewjewbee. Yes, it was mean of me. :sleep:

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You were given a valid response. You did not accept that and replied sarcastically, so I replied in kind.


Anyone can tell you I don't do sarcasm. I can barely detect it, let alone use it. :lol:

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Is it the vision line? I don't see that being sarcastic at all. I just wanted to make sure that was your reason for locking the thread. The I foresaw it turning into a drama situation comment. I don't get it. And this comes back to bABA mentioning the team bit. Did anyone else decide to lock that thread with you or before you? See, we don't know this stuff. It's part of why we have negative opinions.

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the decision was made by jujubee. we expect her to make decisions like this. we do not always expect her (or even ourselves to be right) but we expect her to. we also expect her to consult everyone if she is not sure (this goes for the admins and other mods as well)

as eagle has stated, and so have i now, we both feel what she did was perfectly justified.


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