Dark Shape's/ Box's WOTW Experience (Filled With Spoilers)
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neo_wolf
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Maverikk wrote: Spoilers...
OMG...that is a terrible ending. I hope you're joking. That's worse than Signs. These intergalatatic explorerors who are much more advanced than we are didn't gauge the atmosphere before they decided to make this their new home? It like the Signs aliens who didn't realize that water was harmful to them before they invaded a planet that has 75% water and moisture in the air that sometimes causes water to pour from the sky. Has anyone read the book?
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Thats the point,in the book the aliens were thinking so far ahead that they didnt think about how they would react on earth thus they being defeated by something as simple as the commen cold.
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MikeQ. wrote: I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine. PEACE, Mike  Amen to that, Mike. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Box wrote: Maverikk wrote: Spoilers...
OMG...that is a terrible ending. I hope you're joking. That's worst than Signs. These intergalatatic explorerors who are much more advanced than we are didn't gauge the atmosphere before they decided to make this their new home? It like the Signs aliens who didn't realize that water was harmful to them before they invaded a planet that has 75% water and moisture in the air that sometimes causes water to pour from the sky. Oh yes, oh yes. Spoiler They've been planning this bloody thing for 1 million years, and not once did these aliens, who are technologically superior in every way, consider the possibility that the bacteria might do them harm. Not once? How can these aliens be so hyper-intelligent and so stupid at the same time?
/Spoiler _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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Dr. Lecter wrote: MikeQ. wrote: I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine. PEACE, Mike Amen to that, Mike. Every objection I have had about 2005's releases, I have backed up. If someone wishes to ignore the serious flaws in WOTW, which btw are not limited to the ending regarding the aliens, but also extend to the emotional (and crucial aspect) of the film, then they're clearly dismissing much of which needs to be taken into consideration. _________________In order of preference: Christian, Argos MadGez wrote: Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation. My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/
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Box wrote: Oh yes, oh yes.
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They've been planning this bloody thing for 1 million years, and not once did these aliens, who are technologically superior in every way, consider the possibility that the bacteria might do them harm. Not once? How can these aliens be so hyper-intelligent and so stupid at the same time?
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That's totally lame. That would be about as stupid as going out in the dead of winter with your hair soak and wet, and not worrying about getting sick or pnuemonia. The first thing you do when buying a new house, is find out if the electrical and plumbing stuff works, how the crime level is, what the schools are like, etc... I would think that an advanced culture would have the same home shopping sensibilities.
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Box wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: MikeQ. wrote: I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine. PEACE, Mike Amen to that, Mike. Every objection I have had about 2005's releases, I have backed up. If someone wishes to ignore the serious flaws in WOTW, which btw are not limited to the ending regarding the aliens, but also extend to the emotional (and crucial aspect) of the film, then they're clearly dismissing much of which needs to be taken into consideration. _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Box wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: MikeQ. wrote: I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine. PEACE, Mike Amen to that, Mike. Every objection I have had about 2005's releases, I have backed up. If someone wishes to ignore the serious flaws in WOTW, which btw are not limited to the ending regarding the aliens, but also extend to the emotional (and crucial aspect) of the film, then they're clearly dismissing much of which needs to be taken into consideration. He hated Raiders of the Lost Ark because "it didn't have a message". That says it all  _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Oh, and a note of caution: Crying and screaming are not substitutes for genuine emotion. Neither are tears.
The film, btw, gets a C/C- rating from me. Only because Kingdom of Heaven (D/D-) and Mr and Mrs Smith (D) were so much worse.
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More spoilers, and addressing the book...
I don't care if it's the same ending as in the book, it's dumb. These things planted their giant mechs in the ground long before humanity showed up. You'd think one or two of them might have gotten sick on that little run. Further, in the space of maybe three minutes screentime, we go from Cruise finally taking one of these things down -- the first in the movie -- to every single one of them dead because of disease. It's an idea that just doesn't work, and it's executed poorly to boot.
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In terms of rating, it's a B- for me. But it was an A- until the final five minutes.
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Maverikk wrote: Box wrote: Oh yes, oh yes.
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They've been planning this bloody thing for 1 million years, and not once did these aliens, who are technologically superior in every way, consider the possibility that the bacteria might do them harm. Not once? How can these aliens be so hyper-intelligent and so stupid at the same time?
/Spoiler spoiler... That's totally lame. That would be about as stupid as going out in the dead of winter with your hair soak and wet, and not worrying about getting sick or pnuemonia. The first thing you do when buying a new house, is find out if the electrical and plumbing stuff works, how the crime level is, what the schools are like, etc... I would think that an advanced culture would have the same home shopping sensibilities._________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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Box wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: MikeQ. wrote: I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine. PEACE, Mike Amen to that, Mike. Every objection I have had about 2005's releases, I have backed up. If someone wishes to ignore the serious flaws in WOTW, which btw are not limited to the ending regarding the aliens, but also extend to the emotional (and crucial aspect) of the film, then they're clearly dismissing much of which needs to be taken into consideration. Its a matter of opinion box,i respect yours but what people find as flaw is a matter of opinion,what you might see as flaws another person will see it as a positive.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: He hated Raiders of the Lost Ark because "it didn't have a message". That says it all Oh yes, how dare I give less credit to a purposeless film than one which might attempt to provide someone with something of substance?
And I find, btw, WOTW to be filled with much greater insight into human emotions and feelings than the Indiana Jones films. Spielberg has grown up much after Schindler's List. _________________In order of preference: Christian, Argos MadGez wrote: Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation. My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/
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neo_wolf wrote: Its a matter of opinion box,i respect yours but what people find as flaw is a matter of opinion,what you might see as flaws another person will see it as a positive. Without exaggeration, several people in the audience boo'd when the film faded to black.
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Box wrote: Oh, and a note of caution: Crying and screaming are not substitutes for genuine emotion. Neither are tears.
The film, btw, gets a C rating from me. Only because Kingdom of Heaven (D/D-) and Mr and Mrs Smith (D) were so much worse.  Crying and screaming are part of emotions.. What the hell do you want them to do??  _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Come on Mav.. That's reading a little too much into this.. I doubt when folks saw AVP That they thought how could 2 species survive on our planet's atmosphere in a Rite of Passage for over 200 years... I'm just being a realist here. Anything below an A for me is disappointing, and endings are something that make a lot of difference to me. If the execution isn't satisfying, it falls apart.
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The Dark Shape wrote: More spoilers, and addressing the book...
I don't care if it's the same ending as in the book, it's dumb. These things planted their giant mechs in the ground long before humanity showed up. You'd think one or two of them might have gotten sick on that little run. Further, in the space of maybe three minutes screentime, we go from Cruise finally taking one of these things down -- the first in the movie -- to every single one of them dead because of disease. It's an idea that just doesn't work, and it's executed poorly to boot.
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In terms of rating, it's a B- for me. But it was an A- until the final five minutes. see white text
But the earth was not contaminated before the humans arrived,it seems to me that the aliens didnt expect or think about humans contaminating the earth so really contaminating the earth is what saved humans. lol!
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The Dark Shape wrote:
In terms of rating, it's a B- for me. But it was an A- until the final five minutes.
Oh, ok, so we're not that far off. My rating is C/C-, so it's just a notch below yours.
Had the ending being a worthy conclusion to the film, I might have come out thinking "Ok, so the film stumbles here and there, it drags here and there, and so on. However, it was overall a good experience, so what the heck". _________________In order of preference: Christian, Argos MadGez wrote: Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation. My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/
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Woah I cannot understand the reasoning why the grade should be dropped down by a grade because the ending never satisfied you. I can understand if the ending basically disproves everything about the movie like The Village and Basic did but not the type of ending that WOTW gets. Can you elaborate more on that reasoning?
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The Dark Shape wrote: neo_wolf wrote: Its a matter of opinion box,i respect yours but what people find as flaw is a matter of opinion,what you might see as flaws another person will see it as a positive. Without exaggeration, several people in the audience boo'd when the film faded to black. _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Kind of like you like everyne else didn't ####### read what I had said in that I gave BATMAN BEGINS A Goddamn 9.5 out of 10 when comparing it to the last 2 BATMAN Movies which were horrible.. Why is that so damn hard to accept??? Why??? You can give a movie a good grade and still have flaws in it Guy.. Because comparing it to only two movies doesn't give an accurate opinion on the movie and it's a flawed review. _________________
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The Dark Shape wrote: neo_wolf wrote: Its a matter of opinion box,i respect yours but what people find as flaw is a matter of opinion,what you might see as flaws another person will see it as a positive. Without exaggeration, several people in the audience boo'd when the film faded to black. Hey,without exaggeration i can say many walked out of batman begins half way through when i saw it opening night.
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Maverikk wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Come on Mav.. That's reading a little too much into this.. I doubt when folks saw AVP That they thought how could 2 species survive on our planet's atmosphere in a Rite of Passage for over 200 years... I'm just being a realist here. Anything below an A for me is disappointing, and endings are something that make a lot of difference to me. If the execution isn't satisfying, it falls apart. _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Box wrote: Oh, and a note of caution: Crying and screaming are not substitutes for genuine emotion. Neither are tears.
The film, btw, gets a C rating from me. Only because Kingdom of Heaven (D/D-) and Mr and Mrs Smith (D) were so much worse. Crying and screaming should be the result of an emotion felt, not the emotion's source in itself. The problem in many parts, especially in the case of the Dakota's Rachel character, the crying and screaming is represented as being the emotion itself. _________________In order of preference: Christian, Argos MadGez wrote: Briefs. Am used to them and boxers can get me in trouble it seems. Too much room and maybe the silkiness have created more than one awkward situation. My Box-Office Blog: http://boxofficetracker.blogspot.com/
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 neo_wolf wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: More spoilers, and addressing the book...
I don't care if it's the same ending as in the book, it's dumb. These things planted their giant mechs in the ground long before humanity showed up. You'd think one or two of them might have gotten sick on that little run. Further, in the space of maybe three minutes screentime, we go from Cruise finally taking one of these things down -- the first in the movie -- to every single one of them dead because of disease. It's an idea that just doesn't work, and it's executed poorly to boot.
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In terms of rating, it's a B- for me. But it was an A- until the final five minutes. see white text But the earth was not contaminated before the humans arrived,it seems to me that the aliens didnt expect or think about humans contaminating the earth so really contaminating the earth is what saved humans. lol!See mine:
That's bullshit. There was bacteria before people appeared, and there will be long after we're extinct.
BKB, there were 500 people, and at least twenty boo'd.
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BKB_The_Man wrote: OK, but does your grade go from an "A" being nearly great like Box suggests to an ending which he didn't find plausible and all of a sudden drops it down to a C-?? Hell, a C- might just as well be a D since that's what it appears to be closer to.. Calling a film nearly great to a monumental disaster is quite a drop for merely the ending alone.. Well, I can sorta understand how somebody could get pissed at a great movie being ruined by the ending, and crucifying the shit out of it for the letdown.
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