Dark Shape's/ Box's WOTW Experience (Filled With Spoilers)
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matatonio
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well i loved signs so....
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Maverikk
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Box wrote: The monumental failure was somewhat of a play on words.
The film is so close to being great, and just falls flat at the end, which makes it even worse. You know that there are professionals behind this film- some of the stuff is amazing- but man, they rushed it. Else, I can't understand how Spielberg could give us a film like this.
I hope it's not rushed, as this was one of my most anticipated movies, but I always worried that it might be the result after the late shooting start and the deadline to have it done for 4th of July. If everybody recalls, they jumped into that spot very late, and not a frame of film had been shot yet.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:30 am |
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AgentX
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Box wrote: Jiffy208 wrote: I have a feeling that this is Signs all over again. You're closer to the truth than you would want to be.
Whew. Guess I'm the only one who didn't intensely hate the ending to Signs.
Still I am going to prepare myself with the fact that ending may be somewhat lacking.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:30 am |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Box wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: It's not a monumental failure, but it has one of the worst endings I've ever seen. The film is a monumental effort, and its ending (as well as some things throughout the film), render it a failure. The monumental failure was somewhat of a play on words. The film is so close to being great, and just falls flat at the end, which makes it even worse. You know that there are professionals behind this film- some of the stuff is amazing- but man, they rushed it. Else, I can't understand how Spielberg could give us a film like this.
Oh come on!! A movie that is close to being Great and an ending which turns the movie from great to a monumental disaster?? How about it's close to being great and the ending reduces it to merely good cause I don't buy that a movie can go from nearly great to a monumental disaster.. I don't buy that..
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Jiffy
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I_Was_Your_Sam wrote: Jiffy208 wrote: I have a feeling that this is Signs all over again. what was wrong with signs? it did make over $200million too.. you probably mean The Village 
Well, no, I really loved Signs, but a lot of people hated the ending with a passion - yet it was still a really big hit.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:30 am |
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The Dark Shape
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I think I actually liked the film a lot more than you did, Box. The money shots are awesome and I liked the characters. But the film drags down once Tim Robbins is introduced, and the ending is so god-awful it invalidates the whole thing.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:31 am |
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El Maskado
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Some of the answers make no sense?? :???: Have you read the H.G Wells novel?? If so, it makes sense.. Reads the book and see it again and perhaps your opinion will change of it.. I can't believe that an ending would ruin an entire movie after the other 98% of it kicked ass.. This sounds like the movie HIGH TENSION where supposedly the movie is great, but the ending sucks which in tuirn could cause someone to hate the movie based on the ending..
I heard they changed alot of stuff from the book so it wouldnt of help if he read the HG novel
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:31 am |
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neo_wolf
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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Signs and AI all over again
That makes me happy,i love those endings.
\:D/
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:32 am |
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Mr. Reynolds
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The Dark Shape wrote: I think I actually liked the film a lot more than you did, Box. The money shots are awesome and I liked the characters. But the film drags down once Tim Robbins is introduced, and the ending is so god-awful it invalidates the whole thing.
Does it turn out to be that Tom Cruise is wacko and it's all in his head? oh wait, we're talking about the movie right?
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:32 am |
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Maverikk
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Oh come on!! A movie that is close to being Great and an ending which turns the movie from great to a monumental disaster?? How about it's close to being great and the ending reduces it to merely good cause I don't buy that a movie can go from nearly great to a monumental disaster.. I don't buy that..
Kinda like a movie getting a 9.5/10 grade one week and being shit all over the following week. :razz:
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:32 am |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Maverikk wrote: Box wrote: The monumental failure was somewhat of a play on words.
The film is so close to being great, and just falls flat at the end, which makes it even worse. You know that there are professionals behind this film- some of the stuff is amazing- but man, they rushed it. Else, I can't understand how Spielberg could give us a film like this. I hope it's not rushed, as this was one of my most anticipated movies, but I always worried that it might be the result after the late shooting start and the deadline to have it done for 4th of July. If everybody recalls, they jumped into that spot very late, and not a frame of film had been shot yet.
Mav, how can a movie be classified as quote 'Nearly Great" and all of a sudden an ending causes it to go from great to a monumental disaster??? Wouldn't it make more sense to say that it went from great to just good cause the ending didn't jive with the moviegoer?? Again, I think this sounds more like an overreaction than anything..
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:33 am |
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El Maskado
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Would the movie of been better if it had been 20 mins longer or more? Like you said Box, some questions were left unanswered
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:35 am |
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MikeQ.
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I don't trust box. Not in that I don't believe he truly he is disappointed, but his taste is wacky and he hates films that are loved by the rest, so really I take this as a good sign. I never expected box to actually like this film. Meanwhile, some reviewers are gushing over this film, so I'm fine.
PEACE, Mike 
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:35 am |
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STEVE ROGERS
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Maverikk wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Oh come on!! A movie that is close to being Great and an ending which turns the movie from great to a monumental disaster?? How about it's close to being great and the ending reduces it to merely good cause I don't buy that a movie can go from nearly great to a monumental disaster.. I don't buy that.. Kinda like a movie getting a 9.5/10 grade one week and being #### all over the following week. :razz:
Kind of like you like everyne else didn't ####### read what I had said in that I gave BATMAN BEGINS A Goddamn 9.5 out of 10 when comparing it to the last 2 BATMAN Movies which were horrible.. Why is that so damn hard to accept??? Why??? You can give a movie a good grade and still have flaws in it Guy..
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The Dark Shape
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You know what, I'm going to flat-out say the ending so everyone knows where we're coming from. Read it if you want to or wait till Wednesday, but 90% of you will agree with us.
MAJOR SPOILERS
Really
Still here?
Okay. The aliens' giant mech weapons suddenly stop working. Tom Cruise makes it to Boston and finds one has just crashed into a building without being attacked. He also finds the shields on one have stopped working, the military is able to destroy it, etc. He makes it home with his daughter, finds out his son is alright (despite the fact the valley where he left him was incinerated three seconds after he turned away). Yippee. We get a wide shot of every single alien vehicle down, and all the invaders dead.
Then Morgan Freeman gives a us a nice voiceover that explains that the aliens couldn't survive for long on our planet due to atmospheric conditions. The end.
END MAJOR SPOILERS
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:36 am |
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Maverikk
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Kind of like you like everyne else didn't ####### read what I had said in that I gave BATMAN BEGINS A Goddamn 9.5 out of 10 when comparing it to the last 2 BATMAN Movies which were horrible.. Why is that so damn hard to accept??? Why??? You can give a movie a good grade and still have flaws in it Guy..
BKB, calm down, huh? I was clearly teasing you and mocking those that have given you a hard time over that.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:38 am |
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neo_wolf
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The Dark Shape wrote: You know what, I'm going to flat-out say the ending so everyone knows where we're coming from. Read it if you want to or wait till Wednesday, but 90% of you will agree with us.
MAJOR SPOILERS
Really
Still here?
Okay. The aliens' giant mech weapons suddenly stop working. Tom Cruise makes it to Boston and finds one has just crashed into a building without being attacked. He also finds the shields on one have stopped working, the military is able to destroy it, etc. He makes it home with his daughter, finds out his son is alright (despite the fact the valley where he left him was incinerated three seconds after he turned away). Yippee. We get a wide shot of every single alien vehicle down, and all the invaders dead.
Then Morgan Freeman gives a us a nice voiceover that explains that the aliens couldn't survive for long on our planet due to atmospheric conditions. The end.
END MAJOR SPOILERS
Not much diffrent from the book.
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Box
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The Dark Shape wrote: I think I actually liked the film a lot more than you did, Box. The money shots are awesome and I liked the characters. But the film drags down once Tim Robbins is introduced, and the ending is so god-awful it invalidates the whole thing.
Dark Shape, I think your opinion might be closer to that of the general public than mine might be. I felt that there were some awkward moments from the very beginning, but the ending, oh man. This is one of those things that is simply preposterous. It simply doesn't make sense. If one is to look back and reassess everything, it just doesn't add up.
With Signs, the emotional core of the film was so strong that the end didn't really matter; the film was about Gibson and his family all along, and it came across convingly. WOTW tries to do the exact same thing, but there is no resolution of the kind that Signs had.
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STEVE ROGERS
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Maverikk wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Kind of like you like everyne else didn't ####### read what I had said in that I gave BATMAN BEGINS A Goddamn 9.5 out of 10 when comparing it to the last 2 BATMAN Movies which were horrible.. Why is that so damn hard to accept??? Why??? You can give a movie a good grade and still have flaws in it Guy.. BKB, calm down, huh? I was clearly teasing you and mocking those that have given you a hard time over that.
Ok.. Deep breath.. :wink:
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:40 am |
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Box
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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Would the movie of been better if it had been 20 mins longer or more? Like you said Box, some questions were left unanswered
No. The whole script needs reworking. If someone doesn't actually see that there are flaws from the very beginning, then I'm positive they are being selective, concentrating on the action, and ignoring much else.
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Maverikk
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Spoilers...
OMG...that is a terrible ending. I hope you're joking. That's worse than Signs. These intergalactic explorers who are much more advanced than we are didn't gauge the atmosphere before they decided to make this their new home? It like the Signs aliens who didn't realize that water was harmful to them before they invaded a planet that has 75% water and moisture in the air that sometimes causes water to pour from the sky.
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STEVE ROGERS
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The Dark Shape wrote: You know what, I'm going to flat-out say the ending so everyone knows where we're coming from. Read it if you want to or wait till Wednesday, but 90% of you will agree with us.
MAJOR SPOILERS
Really
Still here?
Okay. The aliens' giant mech weapons suddenly stop working. Tom Cruise makes it to Boston and finds one has just crashed into a building without being attacked. He also finds the shields on one have stopped working, the military is able to destroy it, etc. He makes it home with his daughter, finds out his son is alright (despite the fact the valley where he left him was incinerated three seconds after he turned away). Yippee. We get a wide shot of every single alien vehicle down, and all the invaders dead.
Then Morgan Freeman gives a us a nice voiceover that explains that the aliens couldn't survive for long on our planet due to atmospheric conditions. The end.
END MAJOR SPOILERS
Alright.. So what was so bad about this??? I think it's certainly more plausible than the ending to SIGNS where the Aliens come to our planet knowing that most of our planet consists of water which there afraid of.. Sounds like this movie is pretty spot on with the 1957 H.G Wells classic of the same title.. It sounds like this movie is being more sold on the action portion of it than logic, in which case, we could make this same argument about the ALIENS in AVP which came to our planet for a Rite of passage and both species survived at the end when they came out of that chasm on the ice..
_________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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AgentX
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I'm still waiting for the super ridiculous part of the ending where it would cause me to loathe the film, because the one that The Dark Shape posted, isn't doing it for me.
I find the Computer Virus and Crop Duster ending to ID4 more laughable than this one. But then again I found nothing universally wrong with the ending to Signs or Contact, so I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority with that one.
It's like the ending to a few episodes of ST: Voyager, or The Outer Limits. C'mon Wednesday.
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:43 am |
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zingy
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The Dark Shape! You bastard!
I'm so tempted to read your spoiler. :razz:
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:44 am |
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Box
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Maverikk wrote: Spoilers...
OMG...that is a terrible ending. I hope you're joking. That's worst than Signs. These intergalatatic explorerors who are much more advanced than we are didn't gauge the atmosphere before they decided to make this their new home? It like the Signs aliens who didn't realize that water was harmful to them before they invaded a planet that has 75% water and moisture in the air that sometimes causes water to pour from the sky.
Oh yes, oh yes.
Spoiler
They've been planning this bloody thing for 1 million years, and not once did these aliens, who are technologically superior in every way, consider the possibility that the bacteria might do them harm. Not once? How can these aliens be so hyper-intelligent and so stupid at the same time?
/Spoiler
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