When it comes to an opinion of a form of art, yes, there is no such thing as right or wrong.

dp & wakerofwinds 4eva

...what?

Then it is my opinion that you are a retarded, moronic, obnoxious fool.

It's just my opinion! You can't criticize me for that!

The answer is movies serve different purposes. IMO, is 2001 greater than Iron Man in artistic/creative relevance? YES. Is it more entertaining? NO. There's no harm in thinking Iron Man > 2001 because the second is boring, and thus valuing entertainment over artistic value. Some think 2001 is more entertaining than Iron Man (a minority)... but the entertainment reaction is subjective and a total right brain/non analytical function anyways. Which is true for judging film in general, how a film sits and connects with a person, how much their personal unique tastes are satisfied, etc. is HUGE. This unique emotional connection is essential in judging art. To think otherwise is simply wrong from a psychological standpoint

I judge films on an artistic/directoral/etc. perspective, there's things for me that make movies good and bad, part of that entertainment value. But the trick is that's according to me, not everyone. Lots of people here don't like Funny Games... IMO it's a great piece of film, but I suppose it just doesn't sit with their taste of the goods and bads of film like it does mine

The problem with the snob club, is that not only do they claim a definitive good/bad scale for film, but then state THEY are the authorities of it, because they've seen more old and foreign films. In reality they're just the loudest voices in the room. Btw Mr. Price has seen more old and foreign movies than anyone here and he has 'mainstream taste'. What do you make of that? He's just 'wrong'? According to what criteria?

I'm not turning into another Doubt thread btw. I promise. This will be my last post on the subject.

Well, this forum has really turned into a mass of idiocy lately, has it not?

Shack has spent too much time reading DP posts.

and 2001 is far more entertaining than Iron Man, which is barely entertaining.

The world needs more DP07's!

Anyways I like debate and contrasting theories and perspectives on stuff a lot... so forgive me if I can't help myself when oppurtunities arise...

I don't see what's not so entertaining about 2001. Not all entertainment comes from the visceral. But if we're talking visceral thrills, compare say TDK vs. 2001, not Iron Man, which dragged and would have been pretty boring without the lead.

I am not a form of art.

I'll say.

You're claiming something as true. Those words have values that make claims about them true or not. Liking or dislike a movie can depend on many factors that are not dependent on ascertainable truths.

Plus, he's saying he doesn't like a movie. That's different than having a fight with someone by calling them something rather then dealing with anything substantial.

It's on Turner Classic Movies, just started!!!!!!

I've never seen 2001 on a television screen, and hope I never will!

But what if one has a 180 inch widescreen, ultra high-def plasmatronic 3D screen? Then what Brad, then what?

Sorry, in addition to seeing it in proper 70mm presentations on IMAX screens, I've also been blessed with seeing 2001 in a true Cinerama theatre - - I ain't goin' start slummin' now...

If you consider that slummin then it is clear you are the Sultan of Brunei!

My interests go beyond the technology - - I love to see movies in a great theatre surrounded by other movie fans. It's the difference between experiencing a song at a concert and listening to a song on an iPod (yes, even the Sultan of Brunei's tricked out iPod) - - they're both the same song/film, but the crowd's ambient energy kicks it up into another whole realm of experience...

yes, bradford needs to be there to experience all the populist grupthink.

It's not groupthink, it's groupfeel.

You're really not familiar with the phenomena of shared direct experience of emotion at a concert or movie?!?

In my experience, it is a distinct form of energy generated by crowds focused on the same event. It can be quite powerful at a great concert (eg: for me, the first U2 concert I went to, almost felt more like a religious experience than a musical event), or at comedy movies (I'm thinking of 40-Year-Old Virgin as an example of this), or the aforementioned 2001, again very close to a religious experience - - I have seen a tuned-in audience agog afterwards...

Does it then have the opposite effect when you see what's widely viewed as a horrible film (say Aeon Flux, 10,000 BC) but you have a great experience, while the moviegoers around you recoil in horror and disgust?

My particular theatre audiences enjoyed both thoroughly, so I wouldn't know about that...


{And I know for certain that you know about ACE (Ambient Crowd Energy), loyal - - you've been to all kinds of great concerts from your reports here at KJ...}

audiences are less discriminating on Xatar. Race relations haven't been an issue there since 11252 XE.

now i have tried it with drugs.