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What grade would you give this film?
A 58%  58%  [ 19 ]
B 27%  27%  [ 9 ]
C 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
D 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
F 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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@Heinrich M or Q??? WTF Judi has been M for 15 years or so... :utter shock:


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Was it cropped or did the mattes seem opened up?


Didn't look cropped at all. Seen it yesterday on IMAX and today at a regular screening again which showed me the difference as in how much of the image material was missing in the regular version.

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Although if Deakins composed for the tighter frame, I almost wonder if the IMAX version is preferable or not.

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He had both IMAX and regular frame in mind. I read that somewhere. And apparently the cameras they used can film in a so high resolution they they didn't need to convert anything for IMAX. It's all original film quality.


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Fantastic movie. The awesomeness is just on par with Casino Royale, minus Eva Green :( .

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Having seen it for the third time, I have come to the conclusion that this is the best blockbuster I have seen seen Star Trek, maybe even since The Dark Knight. I'm eager to see it again.

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Funnily, I'm about to watch Star Trek now. :)

The more I think about Skyfall, the more things come to mind which I liked.


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This was AWESOME. The best Bond movie I've seen and one of the best movies of the year. Daniel Craig, Javier Bardem and Judi Dench are all brilliant and the ending was actually really moving. I can't wait for the next one and hope Mendes returns. He did an amazing job with this one. A


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For me, the James Bond films are the literalization of a very particular Conservative fantasy in which a suave, quippy, emotionally-arrested sociopath battles Cold War foes, beds beautiful women without consequence, always has the latest technology, and engages in the endless murder of foreigners. Just suggesting a "license to kill" reveals a certain level of arrogance; and it's their confrontation of the noisome wake left by those attitudes that makes On Her Majesty's Secret Service and the more recent Casino Royale the powerhouses that they are. Skyfall, the latest in the decades-spanning series, tries but fails to do the same. A good part of the problem can be traced back to non-action director Sam Mendes (superseding Marc Forster, non-action director of the disastrous Quantum of Solace), who, in trying to honour the visceral requirements of the genre, finds himself unable to produce either a meaty melodrama or a capable action vehicle.

What's left is a movie that engages in hackneyed, hollow, pocket psychoanalysis of our brooding hero. It's tempting to compare it to the regressive introspection of Christopher Nolan's operatic Dark Knight trilogy, but Skyfall lacks the feeling that it's accessing myth. Because of this, it also lacks that crucial element of archetypal resonance. Neither contemporary nor timeless, it is, in other words, neither fish nor fowl. Trace the rest of its problems to a sledgehammer colonialist/misogynistic ethos that self-identifies in the picture's closing moments with a mission statement that it's done "playing" around with the complex, ambiguous groundwork laid out in Casino Royale and ready to "get back to work" at the destructive, brute, un-reflective, and incurious pastimes of little boys.

Bond (Daniel Craig) is presumed dead after a curiously lifeless prologue edited with far greater skill and intelligence for the trailer. The victim of a stray bullet from a ditzy colleague Biblically-tipped as Eve (Naomie Harris), he spends his time in self-imposed, Bourne-like exile until a terrorist plot takes out part of MI6's London headquarters, sending him back under the auspices of department head M (Judi Dench)--whom Bond calls "bitch" in one of this unpleasant film's more unpleasant moments--in an effort to stop evil ex-agent Silva (Javier Bardem, deserving an Oscar or something). The disappointing dearth of screentime for Silva goes back to Skyfall's dedication to the idea that Bond's worst enemy is his shitty childhood, and that once all totems related to that childhood--including any surrogate mother figures he may have picked up along the way--have been exorcised, Bond can stop being such a moody bastard and start molding the world in his image without conscience. It's a troubling thing handled as a triumphal return--very much the ending of The Silence of the Lambs where a serial killer is cheered for a little pun that promises the death of an undesirable.

Q (Ben Whishaw) appears for the first time in the reboot series as a computer hacker who hands out the film's lone gadget (a gun coded to Bond's handprint), leading to an encounter with a digital Komodo dragon that is unbelievably stupid. Q's role, like Eve's (like M's), is essentially as further belief that the reimagining of this franchise as a serious one instead of an essentially escapist one is akin to feminization and to be suffered no longer. Skyfall is motivated not by vengeance or duty, but by "stop acting like such a fucking pussy." It's reductive to the extreme. It's an old-fashioned Bond movie--or at least promises the next one will be--and that's good news for many.

Skyfall additionally introduces British war hero Mallory (Ralph Fiennes) and Bond girl/cannon fodder Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe), the latter given backstory as a child-whore saved from her fate of forced prostitution by mad Silva only to be summarily executed by him in a sequence cruel mainly for the total lack of interest anyone shows in her passing. That's par for the course in Bonds past, granted, but it lands with real impact in Skyfall for all the attempts to present the psychic damage of the male leads. Here, Silva, Bond, and a long list of dead agents are the orphaned children of Shiva-like M: the progenitor and the destroyer; Eve's decision to step away from field work to be a receptionist and the complete marginalization of a woman's role in this universe mean that the picture is best read as a bitter portrait of threatened masculinity. I love the pregnant moment beneath the surface of a frozen pond where Bond has to light a flare to find his way to the surface. What is it about if not regression and denial? In its way, it's the ideal counterpart to Julia Loktev's The Loneliest Planet, which likewise examines the toll that upholding a masculine ideal takes on men (as well as the directions this tension takes in our relationships with the opposite sex), albeit from a woman's perspective (Loktev's) as opposed to through the lens of the most testosterone-rich franchise in the history of film.

To that end, Skyfall's action sequences are more metaphor than kineticism. Mendes, stuck on a theme, predictably has no idea how to shoot an exciting chase and even less understanding of how to use Craig's craggy profile as iconography, making the picture's ending something like an apology for two-and-a-half hours of shallow character development. Skyfall isn't a disaster, but it is small and spiteful, maybe, and not nearly exciting enough to excuse its sins of simplistic self-justification. If only the movie were about Silva instead.


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Interesting review. Did you write it?

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The komodo dragon bit is wonderful. Bond's face...


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Interesting review. Did you write it?

http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/201 ... yfall.html

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As for myself, I think I prefer Casino Royale just a bit more (it's hard to compare to Bonds of other eras because they're so different in tone and style), but this is a welcome return to form for the franchise. Deeply personal and self-referential at times, without getting out of hand, and pleasantly ridiculous and superficial at others. It's also generally well-shot, though some of the action scenes unfortunately follow from the Quantum-of-Solace-prologue model (i.e. near-impossible to tell what's going on, though that could've been because I was sitting in the third row of the IMAX), and impressively well-acted (Bardem has to be the best Bond villain since, what, Robert Shaw?). Just an all-around good time.

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Also, I really liked Naomie Harris, and glad that she did turn out to be Moneypenny after all, but, while I like Fiennes, I can't help but feel he'll be a bit wasted as M. I don't know. We'll see. I'm glad they had the balls to actually kill off someone important, though.

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Oh, and you can really feel the influence of Nolan's Batman trilogy on this one, which is rather ironic. If the producers had any brains they'd throw all the money they have at Nolan to direct the next one.

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The komodo dragon bit is wonderful. Bond's face...


That was one of my favorite scenes.


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It must have been where you were sitting, trixter. The action is very cleanly shot and edited, and nothing like QOS' frenzied bits.


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I agree with TDS, the action is really very clearly shot here. Third row in IMAX is rather unfortunate. I saw it in the 8th row and that was fine, but it couldn't have been more than two rows closer.

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Caught it at a screening yesterday. First, I'm so glad James Bond is back. I like Craig is Bond and really enjoyed the previous films. I do wish that this film was connected to the past film storywise. This film was a good continuation of the series but it was lacking for me. There were the explosions and stunts and cool things but the story just wasn't really engaging. Another issue is the villain here. Bardem certainly did a good job but it was almost campy at times and I don't think of campy when it comes to this Bond. Maybe if it was Pierce Brosnan's series but not Craig's. This villain seemed like a throwback to older versions where they capture Bond and can kill him but don't. His flamboyant style was over the top as well. The whole capture escape deal could be seen a mile away too. The final battle was cool but again over the top villain wise. The end was sad but also cool. I love the tag that James Bond will Return.

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How awesome would it have been, if Sean Connery had played the part of Albert Finney?


Wow. Missed opportunity in retrospect.

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Well, he refused Indy, he would have probably declined this offer as well.

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The only thing I would've preffered that they've connected is:

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that they connected Skyfall to Die Another Day. M says she gave Silva to the Chinese partly to get 6 agents back. I think that the personal connection between M and Bond would've even been better if instead of China they used North Korea. I wouldn't like for them to be blunt and state that M traded Silva for 6 agents and one of them was Bond, but the fans would get it immediately. It would fit perfectly with the movie I think. Especially when it was said that Silva was M's favorite agent between late 80's and '95 - the years when Bond movies took a big hiatus and the Brosnan picked up the role.


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Only Zao was traded for Bond in DAD, and M was in charge in Hong Kong from '86-'97. The years don't match up with Brosnan. (Not that it matters -- Bond essentially exists whenever the movie comes out.)


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That aside, why would they want to connect it ton one of the series' LESSER entries? :)

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I'm still a pretty big believer in this film taking place after Die Another Day, and all the other non-Craig films. I think they happened between Quantum of Solace and now.


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I don't think there is a timeline at all. The Bond-films don't work like this, just looking at technology alone.

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