Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
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andaroo1
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Re: Yoda arriving on Dahgobah, if you go see a digital version of the film (IMAX? I'm not certain) that scene is on that print as a bonus. It will undoubtably be on the DVD.
Re: Mon Mothma, in the novel there is a subplot with Padme. Padme, Organa, Mon Mothma, etc. all meet in Padme's crib to discuss the future of the rebellion. Padme then is chosen as the representitive to go to Palpatine and get him to hand over his powers, which of course he doesn't do. This leads Padme into hiding this from Anakin, Anakin finds out that she's been hiding things from him, and this kind of drives a wedge into their relationship...
...before you know... he chokes her.
I have no idea if the Mon Mothma scenes were actually filmed. If they were, they will probably be deleted scenes on the DVD.
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:53 am |
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Anonymous
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There is no Imax Sith, though they toyed with the idea of having the final act of Sith in IMAX 3D. And the digital print doesn't contain Dagobah.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:04 am |
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kypade
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yeah, l know the DLP screens have that scene (well, l know they have an extra scene)...but theres only like 100 or less of those in the country (well, thats what l read in the paper). l'll try to check it out there if l see it again (which l may, because my brother wants to see it either today or tomorrow.)
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:08 am |
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are-why-a-en
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10.1/10
The visuals were AWE STRUCKING!
The story was TERRIFIC!
The climax was the most AMAZING battle sequences ever..I think I'm not a virgin anymore!!!!
The story set stage for the best trilogy ever...and it just has such a STRONG end to a terrific saga.
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:22 am |
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Ripper
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Nebs wrote: Mon Mothma was apparently in that mix of senators that greeted Palpatine and Anakin when they returned. Ripper wrote: I agree with your complaints, and I'll add I would have liked to see Anakin actually kill a Jedi, in the orignal Obi-wan says darth Vader helped hunt down the Jedi. We saw Anakin kill the Separatist leaders, so what, we've known since the first movie that the Chancellor was Darth Sidious and he wa splaying both sides. To really hammar home Anakin's turn, I would have lied to se ehim kill an adult jedi, I can see Lucas not showing him kill the kids, but their had to be some adults left in the temple.
There have been adult Jedi in temple, and if I recall correctly it is shown Anakin killing them in that holo Obi watched. I think Ripper was referring to a scene in the film. The hologram wasn't very detailed. \
No it wasn;t nad it showe dhim attacking children/adolescent jedi, and therefore it made sense to not make it detailed, the film doesn't need to go that far and saw Anakin kiling 6 year olds. It wa simplied, which was god enough, but we are led to believ ein the OT that Vader hunted down and killed the jedi, I rewatched Star Wars last night, Obi-Wan even says Vader helped hunt down the jedi.
I di d like the clones turning on the jedi, that waas neat, except that some of the jedi were really caught by surprise...they could have at least have put up a fight. It makes Obi-Wan's survival seem a bit lucky, he happened to be far away when the order came.
All in all a good film, which I am seeing agian in 45 minutes, this is the kind of film I was waiting for when Lucas announced new Star Wars films. It has faults, but its fun, it has tension, its felt like Star Wars to me...it was jsut pretty visuals that meant nothing.
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:43 pm |
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Anonymous
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I wasn't talking about younglings.
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:47 pm |
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Ripper
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I wasn't talking about younglings.
I was just clarifying my stance on the whole Anakin in the temple sequence, and the overall death of the jedi.
I'll also add that Yoda fightin g in thie movie was much cooler then in the last film, where he looked like a bouncy ball on crack.
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Sat May 21, 2005 1:05 pm |
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dolcevita
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Better than New Hope -PUH-LEEZ
Sith was by far more watchable than its two predecessors, but its is nowhere near the creative package of Lucas' first Star Wars directorial outing nearly three decades ago. Sith is all package and no surprising gift within. There was marginal intrigue, no introduced characters, no loose ends, and the weakest "love" story I've heard in ages. On the plus side, Lucas took alot more time building the action scenes, and it pays off. They are a bit too seemless to hold my attention, and the ability to move from one digital world to the next is so quick and easy that it fails to build a sense of the galaxy.
I don't mind Lucas' philosophy, so Sith wasn't offensive, and Greivous's pnuemonic cough (left unexplained) was actually quite interesting. Yoda steals the show. Jackson was a miscaste, Portman should be shot.
B- (on early thoughts)
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Sat May 21, 2005 1:48 pm |
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bABA
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dolcevita wrote: Better than New Hope -PUH-LEEZ
Sith was by far more watchable than its two predecessors, but its is nowhere near the creative package of Lucas' first Star Wars directorial outing nearly three decades ago. Sith is all package and no surprising gift within. There was marginal intrigue, no introduced characters, no loose ends, and the weakest "love" story I've heard in ages. On the plus side, Lucas took alot more time building the action scenes, and it pays off. They are a bit too seemless to hold my attention, and the ability to move from one digital world to the next is so quick and easy that it fails to build a sense of the galaxy.
I don't mind Lucas' philosophy, so Sith wasn't offensive, and Greivous's pnuemonic cough (left unexplained) was actually quite interesting. Yoda steals the show. Jackson was a miscaste, Portman should be shot.
B- (on early thoughts)
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:01 pm |
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bABA
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my 4 year old nephew has now reviewed the movie.
his words .. paraphrased.
"Its not a very good movie. they were always just fighting. But i liked it caused daddy liked it and daddy liked star wars"
my sister, who was rather taken aback is now planning on using this quote everytime he decides to watch Power Rangers
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:07 pm |
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Anonymous
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Ripper wrote: No it wasn;t nad it showe dhim attacking children/adolescent jedi, and therefore it made sense to not make it detailed, the film doesn't need to go that far and saw Anakin kiling 6 year olds. It wa simplied, which was god enough, but we are led to believ ein the OT that Vader hunted down and killed the jedi, I rewatched Star Wars last night, Obi-Wan even says Vader helped hunt down the jedi.
There are still Jedi in the galaxy, that's why Obi Wan and Yoda shut down that signal (can't remember exactly what is called), so they don't come back to Coruscant. Plenty of time for Vader to hunt and kill the remaining Jedi.
We are led to believe from OT that Yoda and Obi Wan are the last Jedi in galaxy, so seems Vader succeded.
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:10 pm |
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dolcevita
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bABA wrote: dolcevita wrote: Better than New Hope -PUH-LEEZ
Sith was by far more watchable than its two predecessors, but its is nowhere near the creative package of Lucas' first Star Wars directorial outing nearly three decades ago. Sith is all package and no surprising gift within. There was marginal intrigue, no introduced characters, no loose ends, and the weakest "love" story I've heard in ages. On the plus side, Lucas took alot more time building the action scenes, and it pays off. They are a bit too seemless to hold my attention, and the ability to move from one digital world to the next is so quick and easy that it fails to build a sense of the galaxy.
I don't mind Lucas' philosophy, so Sith wasn't offensive, and Greivous's pnuemonic cough (left unexplained) was actually quite interesting. Yoda steals the show. Jackson was a miscaste, Portman should be shot.
B- (on early thoughts) you are dead to me
Still "fresh" on an rt type standpoint. Rememeber, I haven't given any movie this year an A, so I'm a bit more demanding. I don't like how neat it was. Its like he really struggled years ago to build these storyline and characters, and now he's coasting. And seriously, the "love" scenes were too obviously "love" scenes. Weepy, whimsical, and unconvincing. Also, if you've already hired 300 people to work on your movie, what, you couldn't hire ten more as script doctors?
I liked what they did with Grevious. His wort of spider-hitler thing going. And I think the double dual scenes at the end (Sith vs. Yoda, and Anakin vs. Ob Wan) were great, weaving between them was well timed, and I could really get into them. On the other hand, some of the other duals were shot in too close, and didn't really let you get a sense of the entire fight, so didn't build much tension. I thought Sith/Senator's lines were the best, and the best delivered, and it was much more interesting to see him manipulate Anakin until he comes right out with it. Then it dgoes a bit downhill. When he finally says "I can help you save Padme" it was like, thanks, I think we figured out what you were suggesting to him. Lucas' dialogue, characters, and istuation, were a bit of a spoon feed. His visual success is much better, and he does procur three memorable characters (though the rest are not). I like how he explores Castro/Mussolini/so many others-esque rise to power and faulter, but in all the movie fell a little flat.
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:23 pm |
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Schlomo
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are-why-a-en wrote: 10.1/10
The visuals were AWE STRUCKING!
The story was TERRIFIC!
The climax was the most AMAZING battle sequences ever..I think I'm not a virgin anymore!!!!
The story set stage for the best trilogy ever...and it just has such a STRONG end to a terrific saga.
LOL
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:34 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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dolcevita wrote: Jackson was a miscaste...
Can you explain the Jedi caste system - I've never quite understood the different levels...
:wink:
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:47 pm |
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bABA
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Wendu's casting was perfect. the guy behaved exacty how i expected him too.
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:50 pm |
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Sauron
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bABA wrote: Wendu's casting was perfect. the guy behaved exacty how i expected him too.
my thoughts exactly =D>
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:09 pm |
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matatonio
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this suppose to be a review thread, not a discussion, but whatever!
i might see it tonight! 
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:26 pm |
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Chippy
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I'm gonna see it a 3rd time tomorrow... and I just realized why it was so much better the 2nd time...
The first time you see it your so overwhelmed by the fact your actually getting to see the last Star Wars movie...
The second time you see it, you realize... this is the last Star Wars movie  It's so much more emotional, you don't take anything for granted...
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:54 pm |
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BennyBlanco
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I enjoyed it, but was pretty disappointed at the level of cheese and general awkwardness found in the movie.
I have enjoyed all previous Star Wars movies and although the prequels had some atrocious dialogue and delivery, they amazed with the sheer vision and imagination. You know it's funny, last night I rewatched episode 1 and 2 and found that the two characters that came off the best were R2-D2 and Yoda. I ended up making a crack to my buddy that the heart of these movies lies in a tin can and a cgi/puppet creation. Of course this is an exaggeration, as Ewan, Mcdiarmid and Neeson all make good accounts of themselves, but what the films really needed was an emotional connection with Anakin. That right there is the biggest complaint I have about the series and consequently the latest episode, Revenge of the Sith.
Almost every scene Hayden is in seems poorly written and badly acted. God love Natalie Portman, but nearly every scene she shares with him is completely unconvincing, bordering on laughable to me. Sure the franchise can at times be campy, but in a charming way, not in a roll your eyes in embarrassment sort of way. Anakin's eventual fall to the dark side is serverly weakened because of the treatment of his character and the lack of emotion felt.
Then comes the pivotal scene where Windu and company attempt to arrest Palpatine and what follows was cringe-worthy. I would be in agreement that Jackson was miscast in the trilogy. He just doesn't seem to be giving his all in this role, I don't know  . When he and Sidious throw down the results are just what you would expect from two old, uncoordinated guys trying to do lightsaber choreography. The screams of pain and the ranting of Sidious was just too much to bear and then Anakin immediately swears allegiance? I just never expected such a pivotal scene in the whole series to end up such a mess.
But, from that point on the movie really took off. The existing feelings I had for the characters took over and things got pretty emotional. Everything was wrapped up nicely and the closing shot added a great touch.
Some other general impressions:
- The opening tracking shot was great, but I would love to have seen a little more of the huge battle that was going on in the background as opposed to the strict focus on Obi-Wan and Anakin.
- The best duel in this movie was during the space battle, where that droid and R2-D2 went at it. I'm being completely serious, since the lightsaber battles were less than impressive. It sort of shows you what an experienced martial artist can do for you (Ray Park in Phantom Menace).
- I loved General Grevious. His design was awesome and his spinning of those lightsabers was a damn cool moment.
- Way too much human cgi used to show flips and characters jumping and being knocked around. More so than usual and it tended to take you out of the moment, especially when we see it out of Chris freaking Lee. Simpler is better George.
- The scene with the Wookies helping out Yoda was golden. I wish there would have been more stuff like this in the movie.
- Amazing cgi work on Mustafar and in general, aside from the human stuff as mentioned above.
- As usual, great display of imagination in the planets, creatures and ship designs. I love that stuff.
- Way too much slashing of droids
- The voices for the droids at the beginning of the movie are horrendous. Why not keep the voices from the 2 previous movies?
- R2-D2 and Yoda are still the heart of these movies :wink:
Revenge of the Sith gets a B.
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Sat May 21, 2005 4:32 pm |
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Nazgul9
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BennyBlanco wrote: Sure the franchise can at times be campy, but in a charming way, not in a roll your eyes in embarrassment sort of way.
So true... Quite a number of dramatic moments in Ep3 instead of making me  made me  . Lucas can't for the life of him direct actors, which is a shame, really, so much wasted potential in the prequels...
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Sat May 21, 2005 7:33 pm |
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andaroo1
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A second screening helped the movie a great deal in my estimation.
I was actually able to laugh to the stupid battle droids.
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:03 pm |
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andaroo1
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BTW, the person known as "Star Wars" on this site, doesn't even understand what Empire Strikes Back is about, don't give into his blind fanboy fanatisism and publish his menace for all the internet to see.
If you want to interview someone, interview Mav or baumer, not the troll who will be g-o-n-e in one month after firestorm dies down.
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:22 pm |
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Anonymous
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andaroo wrote: BTW, the person known as "Star Wars" on this site, doesn't even understand what Empire Strikes Back is about, don't give into his blind fanboy fanatisism and publish his menace for all the internet to see.
If you want to interview someone, interview Mav or baumer, not the troll who will be g-o-n-e in one month after firestorm dies down.
When Mav or Baumer watch Sith 23 times in a row, they'll be interviewed. As of now, no one is being interviewed unless they can provide proof of such an insane feat.
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:31 pm |
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andaroo1
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DO
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:32 pm |
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Anonymous
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andaroo wrote: DO NOT GIVE ATTENTION TO ATTENTION SEEKING WHORES
That's a great anagram. DNGATASW.
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