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 Quantum of Solace 

What grade would you give this film?
A 15%  15%  [ 7 ]
B 43%  43%  [ 20 ]
C 33%  33%  [ 15 ]
D 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
F 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
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 Quantum of Solace 
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It would be hard to hate a movie as much as I hate Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and yet...that's not a terrible choice. I could dig that.

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But they'll probably think outside the box, as they did with Forster. Hopefully to better results.

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I don't understand why that matters. There's never been anything super "British" about Bond. Sean Connery was Scottish, Pierce Brosnan was Irish. And nobody liked Timothy Dalton...who's even more British than Craig or Moore.

Liman at least understands his plots and characters. He wouldn't suppress the whole Bond character under a myriad of borrowed, incompatible ideas.

I think a reserved, non-intrusive director is the way to go. Someone who's not ambitious, but has a knack for the language of film. The next Bond has to put Daniel Craig in the spotlight.


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Maybe Joe Wright? At least there'd be a good romance angle and the action would surely be cut down.


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My thoughts:

People say that Quantum is more of a second half of Casino Royale than a complete piece. I'd agree with that. But not that that's necessarily bad.

As the second half of Casino Royale it really plays it's part well, it introduces the larger evil organization and Bond finds a measure of closure in his relationship to Vesper (and Matthias). Like Casino, it has a bad guy who seems rather unimportant when it is understood that he's a cog in a bigger machine of this enemy called Quantum.

As a stand alone it does have it's problems, from the acting standpoint it is surprisngly solid, except for maybe the British Secret Service Sex Device, who seemed like a nod to Bond's more ditzy conquests. The action was top notch, and one of the better Bond films when it comes to action.

I'd agree with people that the problem with it is that, although it doesn't take a degree to decipher, is unwilling to really develop it's plot the way it should have, lest it get in the way of the action, which is a shame because the movie could have easily sacrificed a bit more exposition in exchange for 20 minutes on the runtime.

Also the end battle, in a fancy abandoned hotel, in the middle of the desert in Boliva, which is filled to the brim with explosive hydrogen apparently, was rather silly, but although simplistic, I liked the action and the drama that came out of these scenes. I especially liked the idea of Bond not killing the villian/the villian not dying on camera in some elaborately staged plot device.

Quantum did do a lot of things right, however, and one of them was setting up a SPECTRE like organization that Bond can play against, which is one of the things people have complaining about since the end of the Cold War (or when Cold War became to old/difficult to work into the plot... see GoldenEye).

When taken into the Bond catalog, it's an odd entry, being that it is a real sequel, but is far from being middling or the worst of the bunch, but yes, it doesn't have the class, style and patience of Casino Royale, and that's what it's being judged against. Which is fair I guess.

Looking forward to the next one, but I always do anyway.


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This wasn't nearly as good as Casino Royale because I felt it lacked much of the complexity, but this was still a solid action movie. Daniel Craig is again great as Bond, and I thought Olga Kurylenko's Camille was a pretty good Bond girl. The villain left a little to be desired, though.

This won't have the same sort of impact Casino Royale did but I still thought it was definitely entertaining and worthwhile. B


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I'm a bit dumbfounded: Are Marc Forster and EON Productions serious? After Casino Royale was an enormous financial hit and critical favorite, with everyone (from high-brow critics to mainstream moviegoers) rooting for Bond again, this festival of mediocrity is the best they could come up with? Daniel Craig continues to be a terrific, intense Bond, but otherwise... there's not much here to praise. In fact, there's not much here AT ALL. Dominic Greene is a bland villain (a pity since Mathieu Amalric is a tremendous talent) and his grand evil plot (involving dams in Bolivia) is laughable. Also, the entire film feels very truncated and underdeveloped -- more a Casino Royale extended epilogue/afterthought than a satisfying standalone entity. A 106 minute race from one action sequence to the next, without much in between or much of a reason to exist. I will admit the action is impressive, though none of the sequences (not the opening metal-crunching car case, not the aerial shoot-'em-up) are as memorable as Casino Royale's best action moments.

Overall, this isn't a bad movie. Daniel Craig continues to shine and I was entertained. I just can't believe how inferior this is to Casino Royale in most every way. I'm disappointed.

B- (vs. an A+ for Casino Royale)

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This thread is making me want to see this movie more and more.


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This thread is making me want to see this movie more and more.

Explain.

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I suggest you rewatch Dr. No and From Russia With Love.

They're both extremely satisfying compared to QoS, which is more like a Tomorrow Never Dies.


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Well mostly that last review. I didnt much care fore Casino Royale, so the idea of a Bond that is "a 106 minute race from one action sequence to the next, without much in between or much of a reason to exist" sounds appealing. :O


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If they were clear, well-shot and cleanly edited sequences. Which they are not. Good luck making sense of them.

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Yeah. I mean, I probably wont be seeing it til DVD, because there should be too much stuff and not enough time or money in the next month or so...I just like this supposed drastic change from CR.


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But at least CR felt cohesive. At least it had a "tone."

QoS is just plain bad...because of Forster.

And to think...ChipMunky thought this would be nominated for an Oscar :funny:


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The best action scenes I have ever seen. This movie just kicked ass.


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The best action scenes I have ever seen. This movie just kicked ass.


A-

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I really enjoyed it. It started off a bit ropey (the car chase was a bit too Greengrass edit-y for my liking, and the footchase across the rooftops that followed seemed to happen a bit too soon after the car chase for my liking), but overall I think I preferred it to Casino Royale.

To those complaining of a lack of plot, it's most definitely there, it's just a bit vague, runaroundy and, at times, overpowered by the action sequences, which is nothing new to the Bond franchise. More than Casino Royale, this film seemed to have a clear idea of what it was doing and where it was going. Casino Royale's fourth act syndrome is nowhere to be seen, and in its place are a string of mostly excellent action sequences with a clear throughline and a classic Bond villain holding it all together.

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OK, I'll say it. Never again. Don't ever let this happen again to James Bond. "Quantum of Solace" is his 22nd film and he will survive it, but for the 23rd it is necessary to go back to the drawing board and redesign from the ground up. Please understand: James Bond is not an action hero! He is too good for that. He is an attitude. Violence for him is an annoyance. He exists for the foreplay and the cigarette. He rarely encounters a truly evil villain. More often a comic opera buffoon with hired goons in matching jump suits.

"Quantum of Solace" has the worst title in the series save for "Never Say Never Again," words that could have been used by Kent after King Lear utters the saddest line in all of Shakespeare: "Never! Never! Never! Never! Never!" The movie opens with Bond involved in a reckless car chase on the tollway that leads through mountain tunnels from Nice through Monte Carlo and down to Portofino in Italy, where Edward Lear lies at rest with his cat, Old Foss. I have driven that way many a time. It is a breathtaking drive.

You won't find that out here. The chase, with Bond under constant machinegun fire, is so quickly cut and so obviously composed of incomprehensible CGI that we're essentially looking at bright colors bouncing off each other, intercut with Bond at the wheel and POV shots of approaching monster trucks. Let's all think together. When has an action hero ever, even once, been killed by machinegun fire, no matter how many hundreds of rounds? The hit men should simply reject them and say, "No can do, Boss. They never work in this kind of movie."

The chase has no connection to the rest of plot, which is routine for Bond, but it's about the movie's last bow to tradition. In "Quantum of Solace" he will share no cozy quality time with the Bond girl (Olga Kurylenko). We fondly remember the immortal names of Pussy Galore, Xenia Onatopp and Plenty O'Toole, who I have always suspected was a drag queen. In this film, who do we get? Are you ready for this? Camille. That's it. Camille. Not even Camille Squeal. Or Cammy Miami. Or Miss O'Toole's friend Cam Shaft.

Daniel Craig remains a splendid Bond, one of the best. He is handsome, agile, muscular, dangerous. Everything but talkative. I didn't count, but I think M (Judi Dench) has more dialogue than 007. Bond doesn't look like the urge to peel Camille has even entered his mind. He blows up a hotel in the middle of a vast, barren, endless Bolivian desert. It's a luxury hotel, with angular W Hotel-style minimalist room furniture you might cut your legs on, and a bartender who will stir or shake you any drink, but James has become a regular bloke who orders lager. Who are the clients at this highest of high-end hotels? Lawrence of Arabia, obviously, and millionaires who hate green growing things. Conveniently, when the hotel blows up, the filmmakers don't have to contend with adjacent buildings, traffic, pedestrians, skylines or anything else. Talk about your blue screen. Nothing better than the azure desert sky.

Why is he in Bolivia? In pursuit of a global villain, whose name is not Goldfinger, Scaramanga, Drax or Le Chiffre, but ... Dominic Greene (Mathieu Amalric). What is Dominic's demented scheme to control the globe? As a start, the fiend desires to corner the water supply of ... Bolivia. Ohooo! Nooo! This twisted design, revealed to Bond after at least an hour of death-defying action, reminds me of the famous laboratory mouse who was introduced into a labyrinth. After fighting his way for days through baffling corridors and down dead ends, finally, finally, parched and starving, the little creature crawled at last to the training button and hurled his tiny body against it. And what rolled down the chute as his reward? A licorice gum ball.

Dominic Greene lacks a headquarters on the moon, or on the floor of the sea. He operates out of an ordinary shipping warehouse with loading docks. His evil transport is provided by fork lifts and pickup trucks. Bond doesn't have to creep out on the ledge of an underground volcano to spy on him. He just walks up to the chain-link fence and peers through. Greene could get useful security tips from Wal-Mart.

There is no Q in "Quantum of Solace," except in the title. No Miss Moneypenny at all. M now has a male secretary. That Judi Dench, what a fox. Bond doesn't even size her up. He learned his lesson with Plenty. This Bond, he doesn't bring much to the party. Daniel Craig can play suave and he can be funny and Brits are born doing double entendre. Craig is a fine actor. Here they lock him down. I repeat: James Bond is not an action hero! Leave the action to your Jason Bournes. This is a swampy old world. The deeper we sink in, the more we need James Bond to stand above it.


Loyal, i am 100% with you and Ebert. I hate the new Bond... This movie was appalling to the once great and FUN series. I'm leaning between D+/C-. I'll post my full review when it gets published on Tuesday.


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yoshue wrote:
It would be hard to hate a movie as much as I hate Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and yet...that's not a terrible choice. I could dig that.


Really? I dunno. Mr. and Mrs. Smith was absolutely terrible, but it was still better than Armageddon.

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I was totally dissappointed. Craig fits the role but like I said in cr, it isnt james bond.

Please...can we get hugh jackman in the role yet?

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it started off with some horrific shaky cam that put me off but it improved. i didn't mind the action sequences for much of the middle part because to be honest, i was having a ton of fun in the film.

while loyal may have enjoyed the last third of the film and me not so, i think we both ended up running into the same problem. by this time, when i thought i had a complete grasp of what was going on, shit started happening. it excited me, intrigued me and eventually left me feeling 'what the fuck is going on'. what are all these people trying to do and accomplish. why is bond going there .. no wait .. how does bond know to go there, how did these people show up, why is that girl all of a sudden getting raped, is this all really about water, why doesn't bond like .. just change his clothes or something ... and eventually, i was like .. fuck it .... lets watch the explosions.


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it started off with some horrific shaky cam that put me off but it improved. i didn't mind the action sequences for much of the middle part because to be honest, i was having a ton of fun in the film.

while loyal may have enjoyed the last third of the film and me not so, i think we both ended up running into the same problem. by this time, when i thought i had a complete grasp of what was going on, shit started happening. it excited me, intrigued me and eventually left me feeling 'what the fuck is going on'. what are all these people trying to do and accomplish. why is bond going there .. no wait .. how does bond know to go there, how did these people show up, why is that girl all of a sudden getting raped, is this all really about water, why doesn't bond like .. just change his clothes or something ... and eventually, i was like .. fuck it .... lets watch the explosions.


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don't know what all the bad hoopla is all about. This is the best bond movie I've ever seen. (I wasn't a fan of bond at all until Casino Royal btw.)

The editing on some of the beginning sequences was a bit annoying, but overall, I had a great time watching this. A-


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Sam wrote:
This is the best bond movie I've ever seen. (I wasn't a fan of bond at all until Casino Royal btw.)


I think that explains a lot. :P


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I wasn't a fan of Bond until Casino Royale either. CR was a masterpiece; this was barely passable.

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