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baumer72
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 Dr. Lecter wrote: baumer72 wrote: Maverikk wrote: KidRock69x wrote: So is David Spade, does that make him a big star? I think not. Having consistently LARGE movie grosses, makes a person a big star. Large being the $100m range or more. So Sean Connery and Clint Eastwood aren't big stars? So everybody but Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, and Will Smith aren't big stars? I see that as the same mindset as equating box office to quality. You don't have to be a bankable box office actor to be a big star. Nicole Kidman is a star. She's headlined 2 films this year that will go onto respectable grosses. Sure, having Sean Penn and Will Ferrell co-starring hasn't hurt, but she's still doing fine. Compare her to all other females, and you'll see she's near the top of the list. That is a fallacy. I would say that there are many actresses that can headline a film better than she can but she has this ridiculous stigma attached to her that says that her films do well. I'll give you that Interpretor did better than I thought it would, but this film will putter out with about 50-60 mill, not great. She is the Hollywood IT girl right now. She is not a bona fide star. Then who is a bona fide female star? Kidman is one of Hollywood's most consistent, a female Denzel Washington. The movies are not huge, but still always deliver solid numbers. Moulin Rouge made $57 million, The Others made $96 million, The Hours made $41 million (which is good for what the movie was), Cold Mountain made $95 million The Stepford Wives made $59 million, The Interpreter will end up with over $72 million and Bewitched will still make around $65-70 million. Now that is consistent, if you ask me. Of course there are movies like The Human Stain or Birth inbetween, but still, she is bankable and well-marketed and accessible movies starring her, usually assure a $20+ million opening. Nothing there except Cold Mountain is a great success. The Others is, but her other films are big didsappointments. You can't tell me that The Hours is good for the type of film it is and TSW just plain tanked. That is not good box office.
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baumer72 wrote: Maverikk wrote: baumer72 wrote: That is a fallacy. I would say that there are many actresses that can headline a film better than she can but she has this ridiculous stigma attached to her that says that her films do well. I'll give you that Interpretor did better than I thought it would, but this film will putter out with about 50-60 mill, not great. She is the Hollywood IT girl right now. She is not a bona fide star. If there are many who can headline and open a movie better, who are they? I can think of a few off the top of my head, but only a few. She's won an Oscar and she has name recognition enough to headline over Will Ferrell and Sean Penn. If that's not a star, what is? She is a star for sure, no doubt. But it bothers me that every time she is in a film many peoiple start to think that her films will go on to make 100 mill or something close to it. I know she is one of the most recognizabl;e names right now in Hollywood, but again, the amount of money being spent on her films, and the return that is coming back just doesn't add up. The Hours tanked, Stepford Wives tanked, and this will underperfomr as well. So what does that make her? She can't be miscast every time, if that was the case, then what do you cast her in? Cold Mountain 2 and 3, and that' it? made $41+ million in the USA against a $25 million budget (and $8 million marketing costs) and considering the lowly-released, despressing kind of a movie it is, it's a very respectable gross. Worldwide it made a very respectable $109 million.
The Stepford Wives was a disappointment, for sure, but it still made almost $60 million in the States despite being released on a weekend on which another four movies made $20+ million. Kidman did bring it to a $20+ million opening, it's just the movie's quality that failed the legs.
Bewitched will take in around $65-70 million in the States and probably over $130+ million worldwide, it will make its costs back eventually on DVD. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Everything makes their money back on DVD these days.
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baumer72 wrote:
Nothing there except Cold Mountain is a great success. The Others is, but her other films are big didsappointments. You can't tell me that The Hours is good for the type of film it is and TSW just plain tanked. That is not good box office.
is a purely older-female-oriented movie (the epitome of it, actually) and it is as depressing as it gets. It also never got more than 1,010 theatres. Also, the worldwide gross more than makes up for the US gross.
Moulin Rouge was quite a success, moreso than Cold Mountain. It was the movie to revive the dead musical genre and it was released in the summer, the most untypical date for such kind of a movie. Yet it made $57+ million against a $50 million budget AND it made around $178 million worldwide which is MORE than what Cold Mountain made worldwide.
Seriously, why don't you just call Denzel Washington not bankable either and give me another laugh?
Let's take a look at Washington's recent box-office track record:
The Manchurian Candidate - $65,955,630 (budget: $80 million)
Man on Fire - $77,911,774 (budget: $70 million)
Out of Time - $41,088,845 (budget: $50 million)
John Q. - $71,756,802 (budget: $36 million)
Training Day - $76,631,907 (budget: N/A)
Remember the Titans - $115,654,751 (budget: $30 million)
Hurricane - $50,699,241 (budget: $50 million)
The Bone Collector - $66,518,655 (budget: $73 million)
The Siege - $40,981,289 (budget: $70 million)
Fallen - $25,232,289 (budget: N/A)
Courage under Fire - $59,031,057 (budget: N/A)
As you see, Remember the Titans aside, there are not "exceptional hits" there either. So would you call Denzel Washington not a really bankable star? Consider that his movies usually make overseas much less than Kidman's... _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Jeff 42 wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Begins had a better increase on Friday then all the other Bat flicks, that should lead to a better Saturday increase aswell, maybe even 30%+ that would be just fantastic for the flick. Below 45% drop seems to be in store. It should be around 27m for the weekend, and some people said WOM doesnt matter for a comic flick =; pssh You must be jumping for joy like that crazy guy in your avatar The wrath of CruiseMan  :laugh: :laugh: :2up: =D> NICELY DONE!
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I thought it was funny. We had this guy come out last night at the theatre as I was leaving and he wanted to talk to a manager. Luckly a Manager was right there I heard that he wanted to get a Refund because the movie he was seeing Sucked. He was in Bewitched so I guess people have their own opinons of movies however I haven't seen Bewitched yet and I probally never will.
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jb007 wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote:
Well, it will stand at over $122 million after this weekend. Even if it drops 50% next weekend, it'll still have $145+ million by the end of its third weekend. And from then on, with 45% drops each weekend (which is quite pessimistic), it's still a lock to break $175 million. If it manages to drop just around 42% on average after it's third weekend, it'll easily pass $185 million. Neither scenario takes it any closer $200M like roid is hoping for. Except it will drop 40% or better on average from here on out. In fact 30% would not surprise me which would take it to over 230m.
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Pretty good numbers all around. Bewitched should do well, but I'm so glad Batman is going to be at the top for the second consequetive week!
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PresidentPalmer wrote: I thought it was funny. We had this guy come out last night at the theatre as I was leaving and he wanted to talk to a manager. Luckly a Manager was right there I heard that he wanted to get a Refund because the movie he was seeing Sucked. He was in Bewitched so I guess people have their own opinons of movies however I haven't seen Bewitched yet and I probally never will. I hope the manager told him to shove it.  _________________
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DP07 wrote:
Except it will drop 40% or better on average from here on out. In fact 30% would not surprise me which would take it to over 230m. It could. But I think WOTW and F4 will hurt it. I see 180M at this point.
Here we are talking about good WOM for BB. M&MS which was not as well liked by critics fell less than 50% with direct competition from BB and looks to fall less than 37% this weekend. What is that all about? Does M&MS have good WOM? I thought it was poorly made.
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jb007 wrote: DP07 wrote:
Except it will drop 40% or better on average from here on out. In fact 30% would not surprise me which would take it to over 230m. It could. But I think WOTW and F4 will hurt it. I see 180M at this point. Here we are talking about good WOM for BB. M&MS which was not as well liked by critics fell less than 50% with direct competition from BB and looks to fall less than 37% this weekend. What is that all about? Does M&MS have good WOM? I thought it was poorly made. I think it'll drop at least as much as this weekend, but probably even more facing War of the Wolrds next weekend. War of the Worlds is going to be HUGE. By that, I mean over $100 million in 5 days. That is immense and will hurt every single movie. The weekend after that, I see Fantastic Four taking in AT LEAST $50 million with War of the Worlds still making $30+ million and Dark Water opening to at least $15 million. That will take a huge chunk out of all movies as well. So for the next two weekends I see 45+% drops. The question is what will come after that...
But hey, even $180 million would be amazing considering it'd be much more than expected once the movie opened. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter wrote:
I think it'll drop at least as much as this weekend, but probably even more facing War of the Wolrds next weekend. War of the Worlds is going to be HUGE. By that, I mean over $100 million in 5 days. That is immense and will hurt every single movie. The weekend after that, I see Fantastic Four taking in AT LEAST $50 million with War of the Worlds still making $30+ million and Dark Water opening to at least $15 million. That will take a huge chunk out of all movies as well. So for the next two weekends I see 45+% drops. The question is what will come after that...
But hey, even $180 million would be amazing considering it'd be much more than expected once the movie opened.
Its not like Batman Begins is going to make so much money next week that it would be a threat at all to WOTW. The best scenorio would be the Matrix Reloaded vs the 3rd week of X-2. I think X-2 dropped 55% but then again its second week was still pretty huge at 40 million. I think that since Batman Begins is going to gross less than 20 million next week that the competition between WOTW wouldnt really matter. I still see it grossing something ike 17 million for 4 days which isnt bad at all. Also if F4 does open huge and people seeing it says it sucks, they will probably go back to watching Batman Begins or tell others not to watch F4 but BB instead so I can see BB holding out real well after F4 gets in its second week
Also by the end of July 4th, BB would already have 150 million. It will just need need to crawl to 190 million with daily numbers and hopefully it can do it so it will get a big WB push to 200 million. I give that around a 20% chance since its daily number is already ahead of Batman Returns
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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote:
I think it'll drop at least as much as this weekend, but probably even more facing War of the Wolrds next weekend. War of the Worlds is going to be HUGE. By that, I mean over $100 million in 5 days. That is immense and will hurt every single movie. The weekend after that, I see Fantastic Four taking in AT LEAST $50 million with War of the Worlds still making $30+ million and Dark Water opening to at least $15 million. That will take a huge chunk out of all movies as well. So for the next two weekends I see 45+% drops. The question is what will come after that...
But hey, even $180 million would be amazing considering it'd be much more than expected once the movie opened.
Its not like Batman Begins is going to make so much money next week that it would be a threat at all to WOTW. The best scenorio would be the Matrix Reloaded vs the 3rd week of X-2. I think X-2 dropped 55% but then again its second week was still pretty huge at 40 million. I think that since Batman Begins is going to gross less than 20 million next week that the competition between WOTW wouldnt really matter. I still see it grossing something like 17 million for 4 days which isnt bad at all. Also if F4 does open huge and people seeing it says it sucks, they will probably go back to watching Batman Begins or tell others not to watch F4 but BB instead so I can see BB holding out real well after F4 gets in its second week Also by the end of July 4th, BB would already have 150 million. It will just need need to crawl to 190 million with daily numbers and hopefully it can do it so it will get a big WB push to 200 million. I give that around a 20% chance since its daily number is already ahead of Batman Returns I see around $16 million for 4 days which isn't bad and will put Batman at over $145 million once the weekend is over. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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http://mirror.randomfoo.net/memes/2005/ ... _Oprah.mov
Just to go back on Tom Cruise killing Oprah. It's video with sound.
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Re: Friday Numbers (Showbizdata) BKB_The_Man wrote: Schlomo wrote: BKB_The_Man wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: BATMAN BEGINS - $8,400,000 - $104,200,000
BEWITCHED - $8,000,000
MR. AND MRS SMITH - $5,100,000 - $114,000,000
LAND OF THE DEAD - $4,400,000
HERBIE: FULLY LOADED - $4,100,000 - $9,600,000
MADAGASCAR - $2,200,000 - $155,000,000
LONGEST YARD THE - $1,700,000 - $138,000,000
STAR WARS: EPISODE III - REVENGE OF THE SITH - $1,600,000 - $354,000,000
ADVENTURES OF SHARK BOY & LAVA GIRL, THE - $1,100,000 - $28,300,000
CINDERELLA MAN - $1,000,000 - $47,300,000
Source: Showbizdata  Not bad for BATMAN.. I will more than take my lumps now, but first it's off to go for a dip in the pool.. It's 98 Degrees where I'm at..waits for BKB to suddenly change his position on BB and state how much he loves it...either way BKB LOSTBurton also gave us henchmen with purple jackets and boom boxes... _________________Setting most people on fire is wrong.Proud Founder of the "Community of Squee." 
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The_Game_1 wrote: http://mirror.randomfoo.net/memes/2005/06/Tom_Cruise_Kills_Oprah.mov
Just to go back on Tom Cruise killing Oprah. It's video with sound. That is fucking HILARIOUS!
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DOMESTIC - Day 10 (Estimates)
Spiderman 2 - $225,116,345 (Fri - $13,858,762)
Spiderman - $223,040,031 (Sun - $21,005,024)
Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $190,822,800 (Fri - $19,152,196)
Shrek 2 - $184,890,392 (Fri - $20,155,038)
The Passion Of The Christ - $174,307,053 (Fri - $13,665,114)
Lord Of The Rings: TTT - $168,056,221 (Fri - $16,873,539)
Star Wars 1: PM - $153,728,197 (Fri - $13,531,561)
X-Men 2: X-Men United - $147,677,021 (Sun - $10,551,383)
Meet The Fockers - $132,859,765 (Fri - $12,140,180)*
Lord Of The Rings: FOTR - $129,734,559 (Fri - $12,567,729)
Men In Black 1 - $118,777,580 (Fri - $9,254,927)
Men In Black 2 - $115,648,067 (Fri - $7,369,867)
Mission Impossible 2 - $111,140,363 (Fri - $7,951,000)
Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl - $109,478,015 (Fri - $10,505,198)
Jurassic Park 3 - $109,056,475 (Fri - $6,774,830)
Batman Forever - $106,614,713 (Sun - $8,831,113)
Batman Begins - $103,172,000 (Fri - $8,250,000)
The Matrix: Revolutions - $102,755,750 (Fri - $4,902,185)
The Hulk - $100,593,300 (Sun - $5,749,810)
Batman - $100,219,669 (Sun - $10,161,871)
X-Men 1 - $99,318,708 (Sun - $6,868,000)
Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $96,821,216 (Fri - $5,984,511)
Batman Returns - $96,770,068 (Sun - $6,862,594)
Toy Story 2 - $95,525,842 (Fri - $6,504,726)
Godzilla - $85,821,000 (Fri - $4,528,421)
Armageddon - $83,473,000 (Fri - $7,170,000)
Catch Me If You Can - $82,891,511 (Fri - $6,596,324)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - $75,928,803 (Fri - $6,237,525)
Batman & Robin - $75,208,048 (Sun - $4,959,234)
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FRIDAY - 2nd Friday (Estimates)
Shrek 2 - $20,155,038 (Day 10)
Spiderman - $19,906,574 (Day 8)
Lord Of The Rings: ROTK - $19,152,196 (Day 10)
Lord Of The Rings: TTT - $16,873,539 (Day 10)
Spiderman 2 - $13,858,762 (Day 10)
The Passion Of The Christ - $13,665,114 (Day 10)
Star Wars 1: PM - $13,531,561 (Day 10)
Lord Of The Rings: FOTR - $12,567,729 (Day 10)
X-Men 2: X-Men United - $12,372,432 (Day 8)
Meet The Fockers - $12,140,180 (Day 10)
Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl - $10,505,198 (Day 10)
Men In Black 1 - $9,254,927 (Day 10)
Batman Forever - $9,063,142 (Day 8)
Batman - $8,792,517 (Day 8)
Batman Begins - $8,250,000 (Day 10) est.
Batman Returns - $8,127,825 (Day 8)
Mission Impossible 2 - $7,951,000 (Day 10)
Men In Black 2 - $7,369,867 (Day 10)
Armageddon - $7,170,000 (Day 10)
X-Men 1 - $7,144,000 (Day 8)
Jurassic Park 3 - $6,774,830 (Day 10)
Catch Me If You Can - $6,596,324 (Day 10)
Toy Story 2 - $6,504,726 (Day 10)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - $6,237,525 (Day 10)
Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines - $5,984,511 (Day 10)
The Hulk - $5,694,700 (Day 8)
Batman & Robin - $5,124,908 (Day 8)
The Matrix: Revolutions - $4,902,185 (Day 10)
Godzilla - $4,528,421 (Day 10)
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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: OMG where did you find that? =D> _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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Great number for Batman Begins. After the huge Tuesday drop, I thought it was going to fall at least 50%, so i'm very happy that it rebounded quite nicely.
And another overpredicted Will Ferrell movie, it's now the third in a row. I don't know if 2003 was his lucky year, or if the movies he's done recently weren't just good enough. Anyway I think he should team up with Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson, or Ben Stiller for his next project.
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Re: Friday Numbers (Showbizdata) Squee wrote: Burton also gave us henchmen with purple jackets and boom boxes... I actually think that one of the things holding Begins back from true greatness was its conspicuous lack of purple jackets and/or boom boxes.
And would it have been that much trouble to put a little penis on the front of the batmobile?
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