I simply don't see why this of all films would be so DOM-skewing normally, especially considering the film still came out during covid and so that 300M INT total should reasonably have been higher. It just seems like a foolish claim to me.

It's not really a cinematic type film. I'm not saying it wasn't made with cinema in mind and the cinematography was rubbish. But in terms of the target audience, I don't think cinema was a clincher like, say, F9: The Fast Saga was. It can easily be enjoyed (by those that wish to) in the comfort of one's basement, as I am sure was one of the reasons why day-and-date VOD was approved. Not all films will benefit from being in cinemas. Dune is such a geeky IP that I suspect most of the geeks were happy they didn't have to venture outdoors and speak to people to watch the film. And they probably upvoted it en masse to skew online audience ratings as well.

I also never felt a wave of excitement and a stirring in the entertainment environment when it came out. If a film is something special, you can feel it in such a way. It didn't hit the industry and wow the world. I suspect a lot of people didn't like it or care for it, and will drop off. Those dropoffs will probably be replaced by the geeks that use their once-a-month outing to see the film at a cinema. So that's why I see it making around the same - maybe a small increase, maybe a small decrease - as the first.

I LOVE DUNE! can't wait for part 2 and I still think it'll do okay domestic but not $300m +
the max I see for it is $250m

When even Rev isn't going crazy with his predictions, you know it's a stinker.

Yeah Dune 1 did ok but it wasn't huge and it felt a bit unsatisfying as a film experience because it's only half the story. It was decently acclaimed and got a ton of Oscar noms but don't think it was an instant classic or anything with your average moviegoer. It wasn't Gladiator. The film itself like all of Dennis Villenueve's films also felt a bit detached and cold. I thought it worked well for the Dune universe but I'm not sure if your average audience member would've loved it. Legs weren't exactly great. So I could actually see a fair chunk of the audience of film 1 not returning at all. I would not be shocked at an opening only marginally higher than the first one. Trailer views are also kind of on the low end. The Meg 2 trailer has more views on YouTube...

STOP IT!

No offense but the argument is just getting sillier by the minute. The film was shot with IMAX cameras and a big chunk of it is quite literally in IMAX aspect ratio (which is now 100% for the more action-packed sequel). The film wasn't a day-and-date release because WB deemed it didn't need to be seen in theaters, it was a day-and-date release because WB decided their slate would get fully thrown to streaming to support their streaming machine during the pandemic, which even led to full blown disagreements with Nolan and other creatives (this eventually ended up seeing Nolan leave WB altogether).

Case in point, Dune had a huge PLF (and particularly IMAX) share. Your argument is just clashing with reality every step of the way

And again, Dune had a really good shelf life and did quite great on home video. Its audience metrics for the kind of film it was were quite good. Pointing out subpar legs (and not even all that subpar: it was still over 2.6...) over a film that was literally already on streaming, during the covid outbreak is moot.

It's pointless to argue if your reasoning is to decide the film won't increase because you hated it and then make up random arguments to support it, rather than actually make an informed decision based on things that actually happened regardless of your opinion of the film. The conversation just won't go anywhere this way. See you in october, I guess.

Dude, I already said it was made with cinema in mind from a technical point of view. But from a viewer perspective, as in: the target audience, I don't really see them caring if they see it at the cinema or at home. Most of them have been content with seeing the 1984 version in their basement for the last almost-40-years so I think they're used to it. But I did use a double negative when saying it was made for cinema, so I understand if you didn't catch it. #ReadingComprehension

And I didn't even realise we were arguing, lol. I just thought I was putting forth my opinion, and others were chipping in.

I never said you did, so I guess right back at you?

Rest of the message is nothing I haven't already answered, so I'll reiterate by saying we'll see what happens. I'll eat crow if Dune2 doesn't atleast pass 200M domestic.

This isn't encouraging for me on Marvels

From the director:



I think the forced comedy and silliness in Marvel movies has been feeling more and more dated. It works with Deadpool and an R rating but I'm mixed on if it will work here. Think it's the opposite tone they should be aiming for on this.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the- ... 235694441/

Eh. I mean the trailer looks less serious but fun so I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. If it's goofy to the point of it not being enjoyable then that'd be a problem.

Marvels look like a trainwreck. I am surprised DaCosta did not know about Thor 4 and Ant 3.

Isn't that a longwinded way of saying that the film changes nothing so that more movies/money/universes can be made with the same characters?

So in the end its a goofball film that kind of leaves to nowhere and thus is unimportant. Add to that the whole multiverse mess which is a bore to just about everyone by now.

I really feel this does Eternals numbers at this point.

Captain Marvel would've done about half as much without Avengers hype.

So if this does half of what it would've done originally we're looking at a what, $120M gross?

$45-50M/$120M doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility

You're crazy man, captain marvel definitely got boosted by endgame but it didn't do TWICE what it would've done normally, wtf?

This isn't going to do half of shang-chi, be real now, jeez lol

yes bfr, Barrabás

Welp. Dune moves to March! This will help Marvels a lot, should move up a week now.

Zendaya has her other big movie Challengers coming out in April. So it will be the spring of Zendaya!

October 2023 though is SO light. Just watch the Dragon Ball re-release make the top 5.

Hunger Games should seriously considering an October release even if last minute.

This seems certain at this point. Dune could win this with as low as 150m total.

You could be close the way things are going :-)

Our 40-60% drop for Marvels box office was too optimistic.

With Timothee having Wonka over the holidays, going to open up his fanbase even more going into Dune 2 3 months later.

Very hard to see Dune 2 miss $120M where Marvels is heading at best. It made $108,327,830 in a pandemic and with HBO Max release. This club seems sealed at this point. Great call!