Excellent numbers all around.

The big questions now are: Will Fockers pass $200 million? Will Polar hit it's budget?

Yes and yes. :wink:

Agreed.

Other questions:

Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million?

Will Polar have a life after the holidays?

Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even?

Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

Other questions:

Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million?

Will Polar have a life after the holidays?

Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even?

Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

Agreed.

Other questions:

Will Lemony pass $100 million? $110 million? $120 million?

Will Polar have a life after the holidays?

Will Fockers pass $225 million? $250 million, even?

Will Darkness have a 3 multiplier?

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

The Phantom will make more than any of you can imagine. I promise

No, it won't. Our expectations are so low, I think even if it made $5 it would be suprising.


Anyways, the film isn't worth considering. My concentration is on the Fockers, which is doing amazing, my Incredibles, which deserves to do incredible business, and Polar Express, which will be strong well into January.

Yeah, sure. Might overtake Shrek 2 for the number one movie of 2004

Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake.

Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

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Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

Don't be silly. But it will do very, very well on its expansion platform, I suspect. I am refering to you assclowns who think it will make 20m and fall off the face of the planet. I have confidence on a much more robust intake.

Box, if anything, The Phantom deserves incredible business. It's better than The Incredibles. Who cares if you don't think every verse isn't poetic.... the very idea, which you fail to grasp, I suppose (after seeing your tasteless bashing of the film earlier in the Awards area), is poetical. IMHO

Forget it. I was being an ass by hoping a movie fan would appreciate a brilliant movie. Then, I remembered you liked the shit fest Lord of the Rings.

Maybe I can provide an explanation of why the critics, as well as those who appreciate music, might bash this kid to hell and back. Consider these lyrics:


Christine:
In sleep he sang to me
In dreams he came
That voice which calls to me
And speaks my name
And do I dream again?
For now I find
The phantom of the opera is there,
Inside my mind

Phantom:
Sing once again with me
Our strange duet
My power over you
Grows stronger yet
And though you turn from me
to glance behind
The phantom of the opera is there
Inside your mind


Ok, so what is the intended scenario? One of two things, I should hope:

1) The Phantom wants to turn Christine into a successful singer. The relationship is between a teacher and a student then

2) They're in love.

Do those lyrics suggest anything of that kind? Of course not! The poor girl is terrified, and the horrific words of the phantom imply an almost violent overtaking of the girl. This is a terrible way to communicate either 1) or 2).

Consider the lyrics that follow up on it:

And in this labrinth
Where night is blind
The Phantom of the opera is here/there

How can night be blind? What does that mean? The night cannot be possibly blind; that's a qualification reserved for living beings, not for a concept of time. People can be blind during the night, yes, but the night itself is not.

Consider another atrocious song:


Slowly, gently
night unfurls its splendour . . .
Grasp it, sense it -
tremulous and tender . . .


Grasp what? What exactly is there to grasp? What splendour is this guy talking about? If I were Christine, I'd be confused as hell right now. What am I supposed to look at? The freak? Or something in the night that isn't there? Well, it's supposed to be night's splendour, so I guess that's a clue. Urgh, awful awful lyrics.

Let's go further:

You alone can make my song take flight -
help me make the music of the night . .


Oh ya, ok, so that's why he's got her down there. He wants to make babies then? If you view it from that perspective, consider how the meaning of those lyrics beforehand changes:

Close your eyes
and surrender to your
darkest dreams!
Purge your thoughts
of the life
you knew before!
Close your eyes,
let your spirit
start to soar!
And you'll live
as you've never
lived before . . .
Softly, deftly,
music shall surround you . . .
Feel it, hear it,
closing in around you . . .
Open up your mind,
let your fantasies unwind,
in this darkness which
you know you cannot fight -
the darkness of
the music of the night . . .
Let your mind
start a journey through a
strange new world!


So, he wants Christine to:

1) surrounder to her darkest dreams. I wander what those are supposed to be, hm...

2) let her spirit soar? How, orgasm? Nice...

3) you know you cannot fight it -- oh ya, that is real smooth, ain't it? As if the freak abducting you isn't enough, now he will force you to do anything he wants. How romantic.

This is bad music, really bad music. And the lyrics aren't the only problem, it's the bombast. Too much of a (to begin with) bad thing just is...wrong.


The original story was meant to be very creepy, and it was. You can see how the Phantom really is a creepy character. How can a film possibly attempt to turn this into a romance? It's just nonsensical. And as for the merit of the music, well, I gave some reasons above as to why it's not all that great as it seems to be.


So, I'd say no, this definitely does not deserve a nomination when you have other much better films out there.