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It is interesting to read.
Several interviews in there.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/fi ... 1000999352
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Horror genre boxoffice
Fright flicks are not scaring up many viewers of late.


By Borys Kit
The only thing scary these days about horror movies is the state of their boxoffice grosses.

Since May 6, when "House of Wax" was released, five horror films have been unveiled -- and they have consistently under-performed. Warner Bros. Pictures' much-hyped "Wax" grossed a modest $32.1 million, zombiefest "George A. Romero's Land of the Dead" limped away with a meager $20.3 million, Asian horror remake "Dark Water" grossed a murky $23.1 million, and French import "High Tension" yielded a limp $3.6 million.

Lions Gate Releasing held high hopes for last weekend's debut of Rob Zombie's "The Devil's Rejects," but the fright-fest debuted No. 8 at the boxoffice, grossing a modest $7 million, and will likely suffer a steep falloff on its second weekend.

In the midst of a genre glut, spookmeisters are definitely on edge, wondering if the horror bubble has burst. "It seems like some good things are getting lost," said Brad Fuller, a partner at Platinum Dunes, which produced the successful "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" remake in 2003 and is now prepping a prequel. The company is also developing a remake of the 1980s horror flick, "The Hitcher." "We're looking at the numbers and questioning how we can do it better and smarter, so that we can get high grosses."

In fact, New Line Cinema, whose seeds were sown in the horror field decades ago, is taking a breather from the genre. "This glut is why we don't have (a horror film) until the first quarter of next year," said David Tuckerman, president of domestic theatrical distribution at New Line, referring to "Final Destination 3." As for scary genre projects in the development pipeline, he said, New Line is making sure that they will be satisfying to horror fans.

While some industry watchers have long predicted that the ax would fall on this popular genre, as late as this winter, horror movies were making a killing. January's "White Noise" and "Hide and Seek" both opened to over $19 million and grossed over $50 million, while "Boogeyman" earned $46 million.

New Line and Dimension, which was created on the strength of the "Scream" movies and kept Miramax Films in the black for many years, have been joined by more companies seeking to hack their way into the fright market, such as Raw Nerve and Sam Raimi's Ghost House. Universal's Focus Features recently spun off its own genre division, Rogue. Off the strength of "Saw," Lions Gate signed a nine-picture deal with Twisted Pictures, the genre label of Evolution Entertainment.

Yes, the last few years have been heady times for horror geeks.

The scary-movie business is a good one to be in because the budgets are usually low and profit margins wide. But too much of a good thing can be bad for business, as evidenced by the current horror boxoffice slump.

"How many zombie movies have we seen in the last couple of years?" asked one studio production executive. "How many Asian creepy kid movies have we seen? What you're seeing is a burning out of the sub-genres within the horror genre as a whole."

The most glaring explanation for horror's fall from grace is the recent product glut. Counting "Rejects," there were five horror movies released in an 11-week period. "Try and picture any other genre with the same output at the same budget level," Fuller said. "It's hard to get people that excited."

"There's so much horror now and the audience is getting tired," Tuckerman seconded. "They can smell the bad ones."

The flood of titles continues in August with Ian Softley's New Orleans voodoo movie "The Skeleton Key" and the underwater monster flick "The Cave." Also still to come are September's "The Exorcism of Emily Rose," October's remake of John Carpenter's "The Fog" and December's black-rubber vampire sequel "Underworld: Evolution."

There is also a seasonal aspect to horror's boxoffice performance.

Spring and summer have traditionally not been seasons that work for spooky cinema. Each of the three "Scream" films, which grossed over $100 million, was released in December or February. "Land of the Dead" was released in March of 2004. And then there is the traditional September/October window which spawned such hits as "Texas Chainsaw," the original "Halloween" movies and last year's "The Grudge."

Horror flicks often can't compete against traditional summer tentpoles, either on a "wow" or marketing level. "The audiences who are driving the summer boxoffice want to go to the big spectacle film," Fuller said, "and by the nature of the genre, these movies are not spectacles, because you can't spend $130 million on a horror movie. Most are made for under $35 million. The tricks in those movies don't compare with the 'War of the Worlds' or 'The Island.'"

According to one studio production executive involved with one of the recent horror disappointments, his team believed that horror was invincible. "They got carried away with horror films and thought that they could release them whenever," he said. "But these summer releases are being promoted by massive marketing campaigns, and if you don't do the same, you're going to get lost. The money spent on the horror films was more like a fall campaign."

"Dark Water," for example, had to contend with the marketing might of "The Fantastic Four." 20th Century Fox's comic-book movie, which even had a skywriting campaign, opened at $56 million while "Water" opened at $9.9 million.

One problem with the current crop of horror movies is their scope and budget, which have been steadily increasing. "Water," for example, is an arty horror film targeted at adult women -- not the typical horror crowd.

The $35 million "Wax" may eventually break even, but Warner insiders say that while casting tabloid fave Paris Hilton was great for publicity, she couldn't lure her younger fans to an R-rated film. Casting Hilton, who was bigger than the movie, may also have taken audiences out of the story, rather than building suspense.

In the end, "Rejects," which boasted a modest $9 million-$11 million budget, will make a profit for Lions Gate. After all, one of the attractions of making a horror movie is the fast and easy buck.

There are some who feel the horror downturn is actually a good thing.

Let the cycle run its course, said Tuckerman: "Hopefully the film companies are going to burn out on it and then there'll be room for good ones again."



Published July 25, 2005


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THE SKELETON KEY could turn this around some, but I'm not sure. Depends if they can get people to choose originality over a sequel (Deuce).

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Compared to how action films and their large budgets have been performing lately, horror films are looking good right now. Why? They never cost much more than 40 million (and that's the high end) and thus have less to lose. By the way, how in the world did 'House of Wax' cost 35 million? It looked like a 10-15 million dollar movie. Nonetheless, once its DVD sales are factored in, it'll undoubtedly turn a profit.

The other recent horror films:

High Tension - Lions Gate couldn't have expected this to do all that well given its foreign nature. It'll do decent on DVD, at least tripling its theatrical gross.

Land of the Dead - It cost 15 million and made over 20 million, so it actually performed decently when its budget is taken into consideration. I hope it does well on DVD because I want a sequel with the same cast (At least Argento has to return).

Dark Water - This was released up against big competition in the form of 'Fantastic 4'. Even so, I'm betting Touchstone wanted more than 23 million from it. A lackluster premise is mostly to blame here. How is water scary? The ads try to sell us that water can be frightening but instead ended up looking mostly lame. The final product was saved by good to great performances by a veteran cast.

The Devil's Rejects - The film has already surpassed its budget and, for being a niche market product, that's pretty good.

Upcoming Horror Films:

Skeleton Key - This could go the way of 'Dark Water' but I'm thinking not because it has a better (read: scarier) premise and decent marketing. This could gross 40 million plus.

The Cave - The film looks no better or worse than 'Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid' from last August so a run similar to that giant snake film could be in order, perhaps going a little higher with the opening because it appears to be more original.

The Exorcism of Emily Rose - Great trailer and a good cast leave me with high hopes. A gross exceeding 50 million could be in the cards if it's as good as the trailer makes it appear.

The Fog - The big Halloween horror film of the year, this film should reach at least 70 million after an opening at or surpassing 30 million.


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Funny the article doesn't mention The Ring Two, which made $76 million. Hardly spectacular, but still in the black. And The Fog will be lucky to pull in Boogeyman numbers.


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Don't you think coming out right in time for Halloween will help THE FOG do better than a February release like BOOGEYMAN?

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No it won't because it will have a lot more competition that targets the same audience than Boogeyman did.


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Joe wrote:
The other recent horror films:

High Tension - Lions Gate couldn't have expected this to do all that well given its foreign nature. It'll do decent on DVD, at least tripling its theatrical gross.

Land of the Dead - It cost 15 million and made over 20 million, so it actually performed decently when its budget is taken into consideration. I hope it does well on DVD because I want a sequel with the same cast (At least Argento has to return).



Lions Gate put considerable amount of P&A on High Tension.(From my experience, a wide release use at least $7 million P&A) They would hope it gross more than $5 million, at least.

Land of the Dead performed OK, but not decent. This movie will eventually break even (and make profit) on DVD market.

In short, what those films lost are P&A.


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Oooh, HOUSE OF WAX only cost $35M...BOM reports $40M....$35M seems a little bit more reasonable...anyway, it grossed $65M worldwide so far. and will break even.

They missed out RING TWO and THE AMITYVILLE HORROR, the 2 biggest hits this year...

They also got WHITE NOISE and HIDE AND SEEK wrong, both movies opened between $22-$25M...not $19M.



Very selective in their use of facts....id' say the only worrying one is DARK WATER.

LOTD covered it's budget in 2 weeks.
DEVILS REJECTS has covered it's budget of $7M AND outgrossed it's original in 2 weeks.


SKELETON KEY, THE FOG, THE CAVE, SAW 2, RED EYE, EXORCISM OF EMILY ROSE and FLIGHTPLAN will hopefully help turn this around, and all gross over $30M totals.


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LOTD didn't covered it's budget yet.

(It will break even on DVD market, though)


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It's budget was reported at $15,000,000.

We weren't including marketing.


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mansonmyers wrote:
It's budget was reported at $15,000,000.

We weren't including marketing.


Yes, but it only received about $10 million from box office receipts, leaving it with a defecit of $5 million still. :wink:

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I don't really think 'Red-Eye' could be considered a horror film. It seems like more of a thriller ala 'Don't Say a Word', etc. I hope it is a success because Wes Craven hasn't had one in a while.


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Don't you think coming out right in time for Halloween will help THE FOG do better than a February release like BOOGEYMAN?


No. This "October release date equals gold" bit is a myth. Horror films do best in August, late summer. Nobody went to see The Grudge because it opened around Halloween -- they went to be scared, and they thought it would be as good as The Ring. Look no further than the Halloween films. Halloweens 4, 5, and 6 were all released in October and grossed $45 million between them. H20 and Resurrection come out in August and July, respectively, and more than double that.

An October release date means nothing. It's neither a blessing nor a curse.


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I think January is becoming the horror month, I don't mind it that way. They don't work as well in summer, they work better with less competition where they can take the weekend with like 19 million easily. Halloween scares people.


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The Dark Shape wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
Don't you think coming out right in time for Halloween will help THE FOG do better than a February release like BOOGEYMAN?


No. This "October release date equals gold" bit is a myth. Horror films do best in August, late summer. Nobody went to see The Grudge because it opened around Halloween -- they went to be scared, and they thought it would be as good as The Ring. Look no further than the Halloween films. Halloweens 4, 5, and 6 were all released in October and grossed $45 million between them. H20 and Resurrection come out in August and July, respectively, and more than double that.

An October release date means nothing. It's neither a blessing nor a curse.


I always thought that 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' which opened to around 37 million, was aided by opening near Halloween and looking like a creepy film. Also, there's little doubt that the Halloween weekend release helped 'Saw' last year. I doubt it could have made over 18 million on a normal weekend.


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RogueCommander wrote:
mansonmyers wrote:
It's budget was reported at $15,000,000.

We weren't including marketing.


Yes, but it only received about $10 million from box office receipts, leaving it with a defecit of $5 million still. :wink:


land of the dead has made almost $21 million so far


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The first slew of horror movies next year have got their official release dates....

The Grudge 2 10/20/06
When a Stranger Calls 2/3/06
The Hills Have Eyes 3/10/06

Pulse has moved from March to November.

The Grudge 2 should make over $50M total in the Halloween 2006...
When A Stranger Calls could make a fair amount in the 1st week of Febuary...
The Hills Have Eyes could land a fantastic trailer and awesome tv spots and breakout in March...


January: The Gathering, Slither, Feast, Underworld 2
Febuary: When a Stranger Calls
March: The Hills Have Eyes
April
May
June: Omen 666
July
August
September
October: The Grudge 2
November: Pulse,
December


Then we still have TCMPrequel, Final Destination 3, Rise (Lucy Liu), GrindHouse (Tarantino/Rodriguez project), The Reaping (Dark Castle's Hilary Swank horror), Hostel (Eli Roths) and:

CRAWLSPACE
SHUTTER
AMUSEMENT
DAY OF THE DEAD
ONE MISSED CALL
THE EYE (Hideo Nakata's US Version)
THE HITCHER (From Platinum Dunes)
TERROR TRAIN
BLACK CHRISTMAS
CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH DEAD THINGS
THE LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT


2006 is gonna bring the house down.


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The reason for horror fatique is clear. Weve been subjected to utterly awful horror films for the first quarter of the year; and now everyones not going to dish out hard earned to see another mistake.

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Terminator1997 wrote:

land of the dead has made almost $21 million so far


Theaters only receive about 50% of the domestic box office gross. So, $21,000,000 * .50 = $10,500,000.

$10,500,000 - $15,000,000 = $4,500,000 deficit. :wink:

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