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gotdane
Iron Man
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 Thanks for helping out my point!
Like I said:
Quote: The popularity of this is being underestimated once again.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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MadGez wrote: For the record - I predicted $90m for POTC and $280m for POTC2 so what do i know 
You know which film is going to obliterate the comp
Pirates 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:23 am |
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notfabio
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:30 pm Posts: 437
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 Reasoning...
Magnus wrote: I still think Disney has already screwed up. Hell, releasing it in May 2007 was the first step for them limiting POTC3 potential.
Fact is that as crazy as this sounds, POTC3 is the least original blockbuster coming this summer. It's not only a third one, but it's being released just 10 months after the 2nd one. At least films like SM3 had a three year break.
While I agree, May is nuts, excitement and anticipation is crazy huge, without *anything* out there for it other than text summaries and a few set photos, it has been the 2nd ranked film on preview views on Coming Soon forever practically. The site views that Coming Soon has for stories on Pirates 3 are insane.
That and if nothing else it secures screens and gets the cream of the crop trailer placement for Ratatouile.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
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Well seing that im predicting $350m and i underestimate this franchise - It will probably do $500m. 
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Magnus wrote: gotdane wrote: ^I'd argue the complete opposite about originality. POTC3 is the MOST original sequel this summer...
SM3...comic book superhero movie. S3...CGI movie that's satire of everyday (not very original) things.
Generally, all the other sequels are in the same categories. Tired sequels out for the buck.
POTC3 is a Pirate adventure movie. The popularity of this is being underestimated once again.
I still think it will be the highest grosser this summer. Pirates to me is just looking to be another adventure except much darker. I have already seen a pirate film a year ago wtih DMC. I'm more in the mood for Spider-man than for Pirates, and I like the POTC franchise A LOT more than SM franchise. It's just way too close honestly. If I'm forced to watch sequels, I at least want a sequel to a film I haven't seen in a while. A good reference would be to look at BTTF2/BTTF3. BTTF3 had a 74% retention of BTTF2, being released a year later. WOM for POTC2 I think is probably just a bit better htan BTTF2. Both were good films but a letdown to most compared to the original. At best, I can see a 85% retention for POTC3 and getting 360m. At worst, it'll do around 75% retention and do 315m. Either way, I don't see it winning the year.
BJs response would be to  all over your crap post. 
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
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Shrek ($380-$400m) will win the year with Spidey 2nd ($350-$370m). Pirates will be a close 3rd with ($330m-$350m). Its a safe bet for 3rd or maybe 2nd - unless Transformers, Potter or one of the year end films majorily over achieve.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:31 am |
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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 Re: Reasoning...
Magnus wrote: notfabio wrote: While I agree, May is nuts, excitement and anticipation is crazy huge, without *anything* out there for it other than text summaries and a few set photos, it has been the 2nd ranked film on preview views on Coming Soon forever practically. The site views that Coming Soon has for stories on Pirates 3 are insane.
That and if nothing else it secures screens and gets the cream of the crop trailer placement for Ratatouile. Internet buzz differs from public buzz. I mean, I haven't even seen posters for it in movie theaters. No one in the general public knows that this movie is coming May, or this summer even. The internet buzz is so high mainly I think because so little has been given that people keep checking to see if anything new has come. I mean, I think I should somewhat clarify myself here. I'm not saying this has NO buzz at all or that it won't be able generate big buzz in May. I'm saying that I don't think it will be able to generate ENOUGH buzz to overcome SM3 or Shrek 3.

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:34 am |
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Magnus wrote: Oh, how I missed BJ. Silly Alaskan.

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:07 am |
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liesse00
Commander Coo Coo Bananas
Joined: Sat May 20, 2006 10:45 am Posts: 585 Location: North Central Illinois
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 Re: Trailer Update
notfabio wrote: BJ wrote: excel wrote: this isnt 2006 when this is the main draw. its becoming clear its between spidey and shrek for the summer title and not pirates. I have no doubt that when the smoke clears come July Pirates will be on top  Just as a heads up, the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END theatrical trailer is officially set to debut with WILD HOGS as of today. Could it change? Yet again? Yep.
Where did you get this news?
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Flava'd vs The World
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BTTF3 was released only 6 months after the 2nd one. This movie is more like Return of the King (if ROTK was released in November and an hour shorter).
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:58 am |
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notfabio
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:30 pm Posts: 437
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 Re: Trailer Update
liesse00 wrote: notfabio wrote: BJ wrote: excel wrote: this isnt 2006 when this is the main draw. its becoming clear its between spidey and shrek for the summer title and not pirates. I have no doubt that when the smoke clears come July Pirates will be on top  Just as a heads up, the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END theatrical trailer is officially set to debut with WILD HOGS as of today. Could it change? Yet again? Yep. Where did you get this news?
Disney. 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:53 pm |
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Erendis
Indiana Jones IV
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May was a dumb idea. Event movies are event movies -- people need time to prepare. I can't stress enough how comforting and stabilizing it was to know that December=LotR. They should have kept July=PotC. Instead, they will catch casual fans by surprise, and the casual fan's response will be to lose interest.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Magnus wrote: No, it's more like BTTF. The time duration is closer to ROTK, but everything else is simliar to BTTF.
In each franchise, the first one was a surprise mega-blockbuster. Then they both had 2 sequels that were made at the same time and released close to each other. The difference though is that POTC2 actually increased from POTC while BTTF2 didn't. However, I feel that both BTTF2 and POTC2 had simliar WOM. Both were generally liked, but were a letdown compared to the first one. POTC3 is not going to have above a 85% retention from POTC2. Even with amazing marketing, it just won't have it. The spot it is in doesn't allow it. Too much competition.
The pessimism is hard to swallow but knowing that your dead wrong helps me overlook this graffiti. 
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
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Erendis nails it on the head. LOTR became a December institution. Thats why they could afford to leave the marketing until 2 months before hand for ROTK. Plus it had no competition.
Also, the absolute worse film that POTC3 could go up against is Shrek 3. Of all the film franchises out there - Shrek is the only one that captures the same or more market segments than Pirates. They will hurt each other - but POTC3 will be hurt more.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:11 pm |
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MadGez
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Magnus wrote: MadGez wrote: Erendis nails it on the head. LOTR became a December institution. Thats why they could afford to leave the marketing until 2 months before hand for ROTK. Plus it had no competition.
Also, the absolute worse film that POTC3 could go up against is Shrek 3. Of all the film franchises out there - Shrek is the only one that captures the same or more market segments than Pirates. They will hurt each other - but POTC3 will be hurt more. Yep. POTC3 is just not positioned in that good of a spot. It really is not a film that needs something like the Memorial Day holiday. The film needs to be in a position to get better legs, not a bigger opening. It's opening is going to be big no matter where it is released. It's legs won't. POTC3 is going to open huge for sure and has a great chance at breaking ROTS 4-day record. But I think that even if it manages to break 160m 4-day, it may just BARLEY break 350m. Disney has made a huge mistake and it's pretty much too late to do anything about it. They should have put this at July 2007 right from the start. WB would have been too scared to put HP5 against it and would have porbably moved HP5 to June 2007. Disney has usually been brillaint in their release/marketing strategy, but this time around they are getting too overconfident. And as Luke Skywalker says in Return of the Jedi, "You're overconfidence is your weakness." Yes, I just quoted from SW, THE TRUE GREATEST FRANCHISE OF ALL TIME despite what these silly POTC fanboys think.
Yes its as simple as that - they dropped the ball on the release date. Have a look at the summer slate now. Thye are overstuffing it with product. June has almost 20 wide releases, while Evan Almighty and Simpsons are being given too much free reign. Its just not right.
Keeping the same films in the same summer - the tentpoles should have been spaced out like:
May Wk 1 - Spiderman 3 (Sony)
May Wk 3 - Shrek 3 (Par/Dreamworks)
Mid June - Harry Potter 5 (WB)
Late June - Ratatouillie (Disney)
July 4th - Transformers (Par/Dreamworks)
July 14th - Pirates (Disney)
Late July - Simpsons (Fox)
August Wk 1 - Bourne (Universal)
August Wk 2 - Rush Hour (New Line)
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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MadGez wrote: Magnus wrote: MadGez wrote: Erendis nails it on the head. LOTR became a December institution. Thats why they could afford to leave the marketing until 2 months before hand for ROTK. Plus it had no competition.
Also, the absolute worse film that POTC3 could go up against is Shrek 3. Of all the film franchises out there - Shrek is the only one that captures the same or more market segments than Pirates. They will hurt each other - but POTC3 will be hurt more. Yep. POTC3 is just not positioned in that good of a spot. It really is not a film that needs something like the Memorial Day holiday. The film needs to be in a position to get better legs, not a bigger opening. It's opening is going to be big no matter where it is released. It's legs won't. POTC3 is going to open huge for sure and has a great chance at breaking ROTS 4-day record. But I think that even if it manages to break 160m 4-day, it may just BARLEY break 350m. Disney has made a huge mistake and it's pretty much too late to do anything about it. They should have put this at July 2007 right from the start. WB would have been too scared to put HP5 against it and would have porbably moved HP5 to June 2007. Disney has usually been brillaint in their release/marketing strategy, but this time around they are getting too overconfident. And as Luke Skywalker says in Return of the Jedi, "You're overconfidence is your weakness." Yes, I just quoted from SW, THE TRUE GREATEST FRANCHISE OF ALL TIME despite what these silly POTC fanboys think. Yes its as simple as that - they dropped the ball on the release date. Have a look at the summer slate now. Thye are overstuffing it with product. June has almost 20 wide releases, while Evan Almighty and Simpsons are being given too much free reign. Its just not right. Keeping the same films in the same summer - the tentpoles should have been spaced out like: May Wk 1 - Spiderman 3 (Sony) May Wk 3 - Shrek 3 (Par/Dreamworks) Mid June - Harry Potter 5 (WB) Late June - Ratatouillie (Disney) July 4th - Transformers (Par/Dreamworks) July 14th - Pirates (Disney) Late July - Simpsons (Fox) August Wk 1 - Bourne (Universal) August Wk 2 - Rush Hour (New Line)
Bleh, little to no exitement with that line up. With the current one I get to watch Pirates force a 40%+ drop out of Drek the third. Im really hopping a 50% drop is in store. The Ogre must die.
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batnanna
Da Bears
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MadGez wrote: Well seing that im predicting $350m and i underestimate this franchise - It will probably do $500m.  You're probably right about the 500 million thing. Pirates will rule once again Magnus, quit being such a doubter.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Opening Day: 60.99m
2nd Day: 54.89m -10%
Opening Wknd: 165.97m - Fri: 60.99m / Sat: 54.89m -10% / Sun: 50.09m -8%
4-Day-Wknd: 206.03m - Mon: 40.06m -20%
5-Day: 218.84m - Tue: 12.81m -68%
6-Day: 229.73m - Wed: 10.89m -14%
Opening Wk: 240.68m - Thur: 10.95m +.5%
2nd Wknd: 80.00m -51.5% - Fri: 21.95m +100% / Sat: 36.25m +65% / Sun: 21.80m -40%
11-Day: 327.63m - Mon: 6.94m -68%
12-Day: 334.44m - Tue: 6.81m -2%
13-Day: 340.08m - Wed: 5.64m -16%
2nd Wk: 346.08m - Thur: 6.00m +5%
3rd Wknd: 40.00m -50% - Fri: 12.00m +100% / Sat: 16.95m +45% / Sun: 11.05m -34%
Wk-1: 240.68m - Wknd: 165.97m - 4-Day-Wknd: 206.03m | Total: 240.68m
Wk-2: 105.40m - Wknd: 80.00m | Total: 346.08m
Wk-3: 54.00m - Wknd: 40.00m | Total: 400.08m
Wk-4: 29.95m - Wknd: 21.45m | Total: 430.03m
Wk-5: 20.96m - Wknd: 14.29m | Total: 450.99m
Wk-6: 18.20m - Wknd: 10.64m | Total: 469.19m
Wk-7: 12.19m - Wknd: 8.01m | Total: 481.38m
Wk-8: 6.17m - Wknd: 4.00m | Total: 487.55m
Wk-9: 4.05m - Wknd: 2.60m | Total: 491.60m
Wk-10: 2.97m - Wknd: 2.00m | Total: 494.57m
Wk-11: 2.18m - Wknd: 1.40m | Total: 496.75m
Wk-12: 1.57m - Wknd: 1.00m | Total: 498.32m
Wk-13: 1.20m - Wknd: .80m | Total: 499.52m
Wk-14: .86m - Wknd: .65m | Total: 500.38m
Wk-15: 1.80m - Wknd: 1.20m - 4-Day-Wknd: 1.60m | Total: 502.18m
Wk-16: 1.00m - Wknd: .69m | Total: 503.18m
Wk-17: .85m - Wknd: .65m | Total: 504.03m
Wk-18: .59m - Wknd: .46m | Total: 504.62m
Wk-19: .38m - Wknd: .29m | Total: 505.00m
Wk-20: .26m - Wknd: .21m | Total: 505.26m
Wk-21: .20m - Wknd: .16m | Total: 505.46m
Money Made After Wk-20: ~.5m
Estimated Wks in theaters: 29
Days to 50m: 1-Days - 60.99m
Days to 100m: 2-Days - 115.88m
Days to 150m: 3-Days - 165.97m
Days to 200m: 4-Days - 206.03m
Days to 250m: 8-Days - 262.63m
Days to 300m: 10-Days - 320.68m
Days to 350m: 15-Days - 358.08m
Days to 400m: 21-Days - 400.08m
Days to 450m: 35-Days - 450.99m
Days to 500m: 94-Days - 500.17m
Domestic Total: 506m
International Total: 694m
World Wide Total: 1,200b
Multiplyer: 3.04
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liesse00
Commander Coo Coo Bananas
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So I guess the trailer is gunna premire during Dancing With the Stars on March 19. I don't watch the show but I know it's a pretty big show, I think it's a good idea.
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BJ
Killing With Kindness
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liesse00 wrote: So I guess the trailer is gunna premire during Dancing With the Stars on March 19. I don't watch the show but I know it's a pretty big show, I think it's a good idea.
nice 
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:55 pm |
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Excel
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aint gonna work. At this point, with spidey n shreks marketing n hype growing huge especially spidey but shrek just a week before, they need to go the teen fanbase and nither dancing with the stars nor meet the robinsons has a teen fanbase.
its bette rthan nothing but thi is what you do if the movies coming out in november, not freaking may.
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:03 pm |
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Ishmael
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The DMC DVD has been a better promotion tool for AWE than any teaser trailer. There really hasn't been a need to further raise awareness until now.
And people don't plan their trips to the cinema two months in advance. There's plenty of time.
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:32 pm |
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BJ
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get em in people, 2 months till the biggest film of 07 enters a theater near you.
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batnanna
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liesse00 wrote: So I guess the trailer is gunna premire during Dancing With the Stars on March 19. I don't watch the show but I know it's a pretty big show, I think it's a good idea. They're waiting all the way until March 19th? So what will be the first movie it's shown in front of at the theaters? I don't want to wait another 17 days for a trailer. 
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eclectic53185
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Here's something interesting to get the conversation going some more!!
This, from the 'jimhillmedia.com' site:
http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/ ... views.aspx
"You see? These are the sorts of things that you can find while poking around in those supposedly dry & boring corporate reports.
I mean, I would have never known that the final trailer for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" was going to have an unprecedented global launch later this month, debuting simultaneously on dozens of network & cable channels if I hadn't spent the past week reading through all of those transcripts of last month's investors conference."
New here...but, quite interested in your posts! ;-)
I think the AWE advertising 'steamroller' is about to get under way!!!
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