Makes me wonder if you've ever seen an Alien or Predator film if you loved AVP so much. The fact that it barely managed a 2.0 multiplier says it all.

Jennifer :rock:

Me too!

I think Dark Water looks really good, and it has a great cast. Should do decent business, and could be a surprise hit on 2005. (Especially if the reviews are decent.)

You know, I always laugh at BKB's defnses for AVP. Dark Shape only brought up the fact that it was a PG-13 movie with horror elements, which BKB had said was bad. Then BKB rebutted, saying that people had already made up their minds about AVP and Paul Anderson, that it was a standalone film and shouldn't be judged as an Alien or Predator film, and then he FINALLY got to the rating. It's not just that post, but every post.

Just a little anecdote...

"Dark water" is moved to 7/8/05

My thoughts are, is that this will suck just as bad as The RING II and the RING did as well as The Grudge and the fact that it's once again PG-13 and I just don't understand that after the last 3 PG-13 Diet Horror flops at the box office??? Have the studios not learned that a well done R-Rated Horror can do just as well as a watered down PG-13 horror movie??

The poster is pretty cool, and I think it has a good cast, and the story is interesting. Here's how I see it doing.

15/48

Both SKELETON KEY and DARK WATER will do better now, because their seperate.

DARK WATER
$14,000,000
$42,000,000

Love the avatar.. =D>

What horror flops? Cursed bombed. But after that, even fucking Boogeyman made $50 million, and that's a complete embarassment to the genre.

And I ask again -- have you even seen The Ring Two?

White Noise
Hide and Seek
Boogeyman
and
The Ring Two

Have all been box office hits.

No.. I haven't seen the RING II and why should I?? The 1st movie was an overrated piece of shit, it wasn't scary in the least bit and I think teen moviegoers willed themselves to be scared of this out of denial that it really wasn't deep down and felt compelled to.. The 60% drops from this also indicate that it just wasn't well received and shouldn't of been made along with the last 3 PG-13 Horror movies including Boogeyman unles the studio was gonna make them R-Rated and they should've been.. This whole PG-13 Horror nonsense has to end..

Although THE RING TWO is really only falling because it's a high profile horror movie like THE VILLAGE, FREDDY VS JASON, DAWN OF THE DEAD and ALIEN VS PRADATOR.

And you can't say poeple didn't like those movies. It's a B at yahoo movies....people must enjoy it.


Anyway..... WHITE NOISE, HIDE AND SEEK, BOOGEYMAN and THE RING TWO have all been hits.....even though they were all released so close together.

AMITYVILLE, HOUSE OF WAX and DARK WATER will all be hits too i rekon.

RED EYE, SKELETON KEY and DEVILS REJECTS i dunno about.

You think though maybe, just maybe The RING II is a "B" at Yahoo cause the same voters keep voting over and over to make it that?? You seem like quite the horror buff, in your honest opinion, did you really like the RING II?? Really?? And see, I still don't consider WHITE NOISE(Awesome movie :mrgreen: ) to be horror.. This movie is more on the level of suspense/drama, hell even a little bit of thriller thrown in, but not horror.. IMDB must've started that bullshit with labeling it the way they did....

I hope that's not true, because if it is, that's just sad. That would mean people would have to sign up for multiple Yahoo accounts, just so they can raise the grade for The Ring II?

Anyways, I saw the trailer for the film, and I have to say that it doesn't look too good. And now since the movie is PG-13, I have kind of lost my faith in it being scary too. But there is one thing I do not understand, and that is the new release date. July 8th? Why? That means it now has to go up against War of The Worlds in it's second week of release, and Fantastic Four which is opening the same week as Dark Water.

Even though I do not think Fantastic Four looks great at all, it will still probably do very well on it's opening weekend, and War of the Worlds is going to be huge. Even if it's a very good movie, this will probably become lost in the shuffle.

Opening: $12.6
BO Total: $36.5

I wouldn't put it past people to have multiple accounts to be able to vote more than once for the RING II, however, if this movie were graded a "B" and was considered that good, then how come it came in at #7 with only 5.7 Million for the weekend??? I think it boils down to the fact that the movie just isn't all that good and the numbers reflect that..

Oh, I wouldn't either. I just find it to be kind of sad.

Mind you, nearly $70M in 3 weekends isn't nearly bad.

Well, Yes and No to this.. I mean when you consider how many fans on the internet were predicting this movie to make 70 Million in it's 1st weekend and only made 36 Million, that's a difference of night and day.. Sure 70 Million is good I suppose but a heavy disappointment for a franchise that supposedly tripled it's fanbase since 2000 or 2002 when the 1st one came out and it didn't.. With that having been said, I think anything related to Japanese Horror from this point on released will make no more than what the RING II did because it will be the same audience seeing it, the same fans and no new one's to propell it further.. They are what they are and Hollywood should put the whole Japanese Horror thing on the backburner for a little bit and let it die until interest is renewed again with it.. There overdoing it it seems with making too many of them..

I think its funny that BKB says the reason AVP didnt gross as much as Ring, or grudge is bc the internet world already made up their mind that it was gonna suck because of the directer....when BKB wont even give Ring two a chance....

So what's so funny about that?? Explain to me WHY I should see the RING II when I thought the 1st one sucked??? If you didn't like the 1st movie, why would you give the sequel the time of day??? Also, based on the movie's 36 Million opening and how it's bottomed out at #7 for the weekend after 3 weeks for a movie supposedly so good and how it (cough:snicker) tripled it's fanbase since the 1st film, I'd say I'm not the only one who feels the way I do about it.. Also, I'm getting REALLY fed up with having the same fucking questions thrown at me about why I loved AVP or WHITE NOISE as a PG-13 Rated movie, that if you haven't figured it out by now after I've answered this question at least 100 times?? Then I don't know what to say to you.. AVP was EXACTLY like the DARK HORSE Comic Lovemerox.. EXACTLY like it and it was more Alien on Predator Violence than human gore, so the PG-13 Rating Was understandable and justifiable, but your problem as well the rest of the sheep followers is that every time this is explained to you, it falls on deaf ears and you just won't accept it and therefore, you keep asking me this over and over and over.. Bookmark my explanation here and next time in the future, if someone else chooses to ask me this same question again for the umpteenth time?? Then you can give him the same answer I just gave you..

Oh and 1 more thing: YES, 95% of the majority of internet posters had made up their mind well ahead of time that they weren't going to like AVP because it was Directed by Paul W.S Anderson and NOT some Uber Cool fanboy Director like James Cameron or Ridley Scott.. Go to any website devoted to movies on the internet and post a Poll Question as to why folks didn't embrace this movie and the resounding result will be the same thing I just told you.. I guarantee it and to oput it to the test, post a Poll Question at KJ posing the Question as to WHY AVP wasn't well received and I'll betcha anything that's the answer.. For some dumb reason, Anderson has clearly stated back and forth in every interview conducted that Cameron and Scott were free to make their respectyive movies in the franchise and he had his which in no way would interfere with their films, but Goddamn forbid if anyone would listen to this.. It's so Fucking annoying how deaf ears are in play when he says this.. ](*,)

no i think people did not like AVP because the acting sucked and it was a disgrace to the franchise and was just a ploy to make money.

I'm on the fence: It seems like it's been in the can for longer then several members of the forum have been alive, but the trailer is well done and it has a great cast and director. Not to mention it seems like I can never avoid it wherever I go. If it's well promoted I could see it doing 21/70 thanks to summer weekdays and no competition in the horror department (House of Wax will be the last horror movie that's been out and this comes before the huge downpour of horror in late July/August).

Like all movies made today aren't a ploy to make $$$??? If you think there not, then you need to have your head examined... Movies are made to make $$$ Rox so that they can take the $$$ they made off that film and make others.. I don't buy this starving artist excuse about how movies are only made for the ART of it all cause that's just bogus.. And if you want good acting in a movie, go rent "The Shawshank Redemption", NOT a movie with the word "VS" in the title.. Hell, if the acting was so damn good in the ALIEN and PREDATOR movies, then how come none of these actors or actresses won Oscars for their acting in these films if the acting was so much better than AVP?? You just have too high of expectations when it comes to this stuff instead of the mere enjoyment of it...

Um, a great cast and director?? Who?? Paris Hilton??? Are we talking about the same movie here or what?? Are you talking about House of Wax??