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publicenemy#1
Extraordinary
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 18956 Location: San Diego
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Pop 2 is my one of my favorite pop albums ever... but yeah, not that many people are big on her so whatevs lol
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:14 pm |
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Mau
100% That Bitch
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 16901 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
The weekned, post Maole, Usher are nowhere near pop as their core format shouldnt even be brought into consideration.
Jsutin Timberlake shouldn't even be considered too. HE did pop with NSync then compltely went th R&B route, just cuz he's white doesn't mean he's pop
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:42 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
But here’s the thing, during the 90s and early 00s, pop was pretty much the same as R&B. Listen to some New Kids if you don’t believe. It wasn’t until late 00s that the 80s nostalgia wave hit and became the new standard for pop.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:50 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38315
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I have JT as a no brainer pop star, not sure where Mau is coming from on that
I think it’s hard to say The Weeknd is pop but Prince isn’t.
Likewise with Usher I can understand calling him pop, but the #1 genre when I think Usher is RnB. In fact he is one of the guys I associate most with RnB period. Should there be people on the list where their most associated genre isn’t pop?
And if you’re worried about people losing every matchup, Enrique and Chris Brown are there despite likelihood they get trounced. Chris Brown in particular nobody wants to vote for that douche. I think J Lo or George Michael would do better.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:00 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I’m standing my ground on Usher for now though your points are beginning to persuade me.
Chris Brown: I would definitely like to see him get his ass whooped by Rihanna, but yeah that is probably not a good reason to exclude someone more deserving. How about Chris Brown and Enrique for Prince and Jlo?
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:14 pm |
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Alex Y.
Top Poster
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5709
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
https://www.billboard.com/music/usher/chart-history/HSIIn Hot 100, Usher had 9 #1, 18 top tens, and 51 charting songs. In Mainstream Top 40, he has 2 #1's, 16 top tens, and 28 top 40's. Half the other names on the list don't have as many pop hits as him. To remove him would be like removing Adele and Pink for dominating Adult Contemporary
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:40 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I like the stats!
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:01 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
The edits have been logged and I like the brackets better already. Every change has made their group more competitive. Brainstorming is working.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:55 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I also think I found a good way to give the voting time to breathe while also keeping the pacing fast. Day 1: Groups A and B have their first matches Day 2: Groups C and D have their first matches Day 3: Groups E and F have their first matches Day 4: Groups G and H have their first matches Day 5: Voting for Day 1 ends. Groups A and B have their second matches Day 6: Voting for Day 2 ends. Groups C and D have their second matches.
And so on. That way it will take twelve days to get through round one (right?). Round two, the Championship round, will continue at four a day until a winner is crowned, with similar breathing time based on math I have not done yet.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:12 pm |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Sucks to have Enrique out...
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:40 pm |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Fav group: B
Least fav group: C
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:21 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
The plot thickens! Ok, if there is an Enrique defender then he is back on the table. Hero was such a massive song, as was Bailamos and I Like It.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:22 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36923
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I would back Enrique as well for inclusion.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:30 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 38315
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Hard to kick anyone else out. I’d pick the Weeknd for genre reasons.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:23 pm |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
I mentioned Robyn before and also Carly Rae only just squeaks in at best for me, didn't both have just like 1 hit only.
I'm fine with excluding the The Weeknd also.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:38 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36923
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Me three for Weeknd
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:05 am |
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Alex Y.
Top Poster
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5709
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
The Weeknd https://www.billboard.com/music/the-wee ... istory/HSIHot 100 6 No. 1 Hits, 16 Top 10 Hit, 69 Top 100 Songs Mainstream Top 40 3 No. 1 Hits, 10 Top 10 Hit, 13 Top 40 Songs vs Enrique Iglesias https://www.billboard.com/music/enrique ... oard-200/2Hot 100 0 No. 1 Hits, 3 Top 10 Hit, 14 Top 100 Songs Mainstream Top 40 1 No. 1 Hits, 7 Top 10 Hit, 25 Top 40 Songs vs Robyn https://www.billboard.com/music/robynHot 100 0 No. 1 Hits, 2 Top 10 Hit, 2 Top 100 Songs Mainstream Top 40 0 No. 1 Hits, 3 Top 10 Hit, 3 Top 40 Songs
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:03 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Robyn - Best Pop Album Ever. Ushered in the new era. Buzzworthy and internet breaking without needing any top hits. Carly - I will die and take you all with me before she is removed
The Weeknd I’ll consider since there is so many against him. My main counterpart: who has been the biggest pop star of 2020 if not The Weeknd?
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:06 am |
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Mau
100% That Bitch
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 16901 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Robyn stay solely on the fact Danicng on My Own exists if you dont like it then you are wrong. Also Enrique Iglesias is reaching.
The Weeknd is not pop. PERIOD.
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:22 am |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Flava'd vs The World wrote: Robyn - Best Pop Album Ever. Ushered in the new era. Buzzworthy and internet breaking without needing any top hits. Carly - I will die and take you all with me before she is removed
The Weeknd I’ll consider since there is so many against him. My main counterpart: who has been the biggest pop star of 2020 if not The Weeknd? Weeknd isn't even in this top 10: https://www.ranker.com/list/best-pop-artists-2020/kareem-ganttI think a tough question is, who should replace him as a #2 seed then?
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:31 am |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Flava'd vs The World wrote: How about Enrique for Prince? I feel this might actually be the error. The Weeknd makes more sense to me than Prince, even if just for recency bias...and and even though Price had a bit of rivalry with #1 seed MJ, I just feel that's not enough reason to include him. Enrique back in for Prince please?
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:21 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
What to do, what to do? Strong arguments against The Weeknd, but it still doesn't feel right to take him out. I guess it still just comes down to my belief that R&B and pop just aren't different enough to fuss over. Prince I was cool with leaving out to begin with, but crossing him out will probably leave my soul forever cursed. I dunno, I now also agree with Shack that it'd be silly to have only one in, but removing both of them would be a double curse!
Enrique will be back in though. Promise.
What about Furtado or Avril? I figured they'd get stronger push back as they are there mostly because I like them more than the other alternatives. Yet everyone else also seems cool with em, which is absolutely fine by me.
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:12 pm |
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11247 Location: Bright Falls
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
April and Furtado were both really big for a while, I think they could both be deserving to be in. However I personally would not like to lose Furtado and am cool with Avril being left off.
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:41 pm |
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Mau
100% That Bitch
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 16901 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Flava'd vs The World wrote: What to do, what to do? Strong arguments against The Weeknd, but it still doesn't feel right to take him out. I guess it still just comes down to my belief that R&B and pop just aren't different enough to fuss over. Prince I was cool with leaving out to begin with, but crossing him out will probably leave my soul forever cursed. I dunno, I now also agree with Shack that it'd be silly to have only one in, but removing both of them would be a double curse!
Enrique will be back in though. Promise.
What about Furtado or Avril? I figured they'd get stronger push back as they are there mostly because I like them more than the other alternatives. Yet everyone else also seems cool with em, which is absolutely fine by me. If you include the weeknd you would have to include Post Malone. Let's be real lol, Usher is a huge stretch but ok. But athe Weeknd?
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I kneel with Magnus.
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:13 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 23921 Location: Classified
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Re: The 2020 WOKJ Mega-Popstar Tournament of Champions
Ok, though I strongly object, I will be democratic and respect the majority. The Weeknd is out. Prince gets his #2 seed. Enrique gets his original spot back.
Also... I decided my juicy matchups style of grouping was also kind of unfair, so I used the site Random.org to redo them all! Let no one say that partisanship was responsible for skewing the results! Therefore...
Group A Mariah Carey Justin Bieber Usher Carly Rae Jepsen
Group B Beyonce Janet Jackson Jennifer Lopez Katy Perry
Group C Madonna Prince Whitney Houston Kelly Clarkson
Group D Adele Ed Sheeran Shakira Christina Aguilera
Group E Michael Jackson Ariana Grande Enrique Iglesias Avril Lavigne
Group F Rihanna Bruno Mars Kesha Nelly Furtado
Group G Britney Spears Lady Gaga Miley Cyrus Lana Del Ray
Group H Taylor Swift Justin Timberlake Pink Robyn
Crap that ended up making it Alot harder for my favs. But fair is fair right?
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:07 pm |
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